Eveleivibe
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It hasn't been dropped. I'm thinking my little spilt some pop on it without me knowing. Yea it was working fine one night. Tried it next day n it's like this.
Bore da, Danny Boy!
Evey xxxx
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It hasn't been dropped. I'm thinking my little spilt some pop on it without me knowing. Yea it was working fine one night. Tried it next day n it's like this.
Bore da, Danny Boy!
Evey xxxx
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[video=vimeo;90101413]http://vimeo.com/90101413[/video]
Lego Acid House
Lego Acid House
Shambles
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Why did I never think to do that with all my Lego? Any one of several reasons really. Impressive thing is that. Now vying with Albion's Lego PeevRocket for bestest Lego thing ever. Mornin', all 
Lego Acid House
I concur. Bought real butter for the first time in years recently and really is so much tastier than any of the spreads no matter how buttery they claim to be. Medical opinion appears to have swung back a bit recently and decided that maybe it's not really as bad as it was made out to be for a while. Not that it's summat to eat by the spoonful or owt but for toast and the like it's just dandy. I reverted to whatever spread happened to be on offer out of habit but you've just reminded me that I'd much prefer to buy butter. Was too cold for butter and it just tore bread to bits but should be fine now. Perhaps I need a butter box-thing to keep it at the right temperature. That would be something I never would've thought would ever enter my head let alone make it onto my "Keep an eye out in the charity shop" list. Middle age has well and truly set in
Lego Acid House
I concur. Bought real butter for the first time in years recently and really is so much tastier than any of the spreads no matter how buttery they claim to be. Medical opinion appears to have swung back a bit recently and decided that maybe it's not really as bad as it was made out to be for a while. Not that it's summat to eat by the spoonful or owt but for toast and the like it's just dandy. I reverted to whatever spread happened to be on offer out of habit but you've just reminded me that I'd much prefer to buy butter. Was too cold for butter and it just tore bread to bits but should be fine now. Perhaps I need a butter box-thing to keep it at the right temperature. That would be something I never would've thought would ever enter my head let alone make it onto my "Keep an eye out in the charity shop" list. Middle age has well and truly set in
cosmiccars
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Have you seen that kid's died in Colombia after taking yage with a tribe? I assume that's ayahuasca. Poor fucker only 18. Assuming DMT is harmless is it likely to be an interaction with something pharma? Malaria Pills?
Green Taffy
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I'd say it was an MAOI or maybe an allergic reaction to something in the brew.
Shambles
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Yage is the MAOi component of ayawaska - the actual vine itself not the DMT component. It is used separately too in some instances as it is active in its own right - traditionally believed to provide telepathic powers amongst other things. As it is an MAOi it can be lethal taken in combination with a very wide variety of other drugs both prescription, OTC and less legal ones. Also iffy with some foods although not sure if you can actually die from food/drink + MAOi combinations. They certainly won't do you any good though.
It's a terrible thing if somebody has died from either yage or ayawaska. I'm not sure how clearly it is explained to tourists (or indeed locals although centuries of experience hopefully makes up for that at least to an extent) just how dangerous it is to use these things in combination with any of a huge number and variety of other substances (and foodstuffs) they may well be taking perfectly legitimately and would never think could be a problem. There's not much point speculating too much but that would be my thought - an unfortunate combination quite probably with something that would seem completely innocuous by itself but lethal combined with an MAOi. Poor fella
It's a terrible thing if somebody has died from either yage or ayawaska. I'm not sure how clearly it is explained to tourists (or indeed locals although centuries of experience hopefully makes up for that at least to an extent) just how dangerous it is to use these things in combination with any of a huge number and variety of other substances (and foodstuffs) they may well be taking perfectly legitimately and would never think could be a problem. There's not much point speculating too much but that would be my thought - an unfortunate combination quite probably with something that would seem completely innocuous by itself but lethal combined with an MAOi. Poor fella
cosmiccars
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Yage is the MAOi component of ayawaska - the actual vine itself not the DMT component. It is used separately too in some instances as it is active in its own right - traditionally believed to provide telepathic powers amongst other things. As it is an MAOi it can be lethal taken in combination with a very wide variety of other drugs both prescription, OTC and less legal ones. Also iffy with some foods although not sure if you can actually die from food/drink + MAOi combinations. They certainly won't do you any good though.
It's a terrible thing if somebody has died from either yage or ayawaska. I'm not sure how clearly it is explained to tourists (or indeed locals although centuries of experience hopefully makes up for that at least to an extent) just how dangerous it is to use these things in combination with any of a huge number and variety of other substances (and foodstuffs) they may well be taking perfectly legitimately and would never think could be a problem. There's not much point speculating too much but that would be my thought - an unfortunate combination quite probably with something that would seem completely innocuous by itself but lethal combined with an MAOi. Poor fella
Cheers for the explanation. I guess the tribes may have had generations of their own being absolutely fine with it as their diet etc traditionally has no negative interactions with Yage. It did say the kid was fine the first time he tried it so perhaps had eaten something different before the second.
Story for anyone interested:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/british-teenager-died-after-taking-yage-drug-in-tribal-ritual-9291126.html
Shambles
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Hmm... Must admit to raising an eyebrow at the "at one point he tried to fly" bit. Is he saying he flapped his arms a bit? He jumped? If you're going to try to fly starting from the ground seems eminently sensible to me. I see the actual interview was with The Heil so I can't help wondering if the interviewee may have been "assisted" with his memory of what actually happened.
There's really no way to tell what happened from the small amount of information there. It seems to be suggesting he died from tripping...
This is just a description of somebody tripping not of somebody behaving unusually given they had taken ayawaska. There's no hint of what may actually have happened - how he actually died and under what circumstances. Was he taken to hospital? Did they just leave him to it and find him dead the next morning? I would never dispute that ayawaska is potentially lethal if taken in conjunction with any number of other substances but it shouldn't be toxic in and of itself. Also strange that it supposedly had no effect at all the previous day. That does seem odd and I can't think why that would be.
It's a terrible thing but without any real facts to base anything on there's not really much of a story there. He could've died of natural causes in his sleep for all we know just from the article. Oinking like a pig is not known to be fatal usually. They seem to be so focussed on the tripping bit they forgot to mention how he actually died.
There's really no way to tell what happened from the small amount of information there. It seems to be suggesting he died from tripping...
This is just a description of somebody tripping not of somebody behaving unusually given they had taken ayawaska. There's no hint of what may actually have happened - how he actually died and under what circumstances. Was he taken to hospital? Did they just leave him to it and find him dead the next morning? I would never dispute that ayawaska is potentially lethal if taken in conjunction with any number of other substances but it shouldn't be toxic in and of itself. Also strange that it supposedly had no effect at all the previous day. That does seem odd and I can't think why that would be.
It's a terrible thing but without any real facts to base anything on there's not really much of a story there. He could've died of natural causes in his sleep for all we know just from the article. Oinking like a pig is not known to be fatal usually. They seem to be so focussed on the tripping bit they forgot to mention how he actually died.
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Green Taffy
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"Mr Miller went missing during the night, and his body was found by a roadside in the rainforest by police the next day."
Probably something happened while he was in the forest. I now doubt it was a drug interaction.
Probably something happened while he was in the forest. I now doubt it was a drug interaction.
StoneHappyMonday
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My now dead (unrelated to yage) friend went to Manaus in Brazil to do ayahuasca. He was the youngest guy there, it was full of American 50-somethings. One of whom proceeded to have a heart attack and die the day after. Bummer of a comedown eh? True story.
Mental Kenny
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Didn't manage to hole on the N-Ethyl-ket last night, even after snorting around 800mgs over the course of an hour. I ended up really wonked though, as if I had done about 100/150 mgs of proper ket, what I did manage though is getting busted by my dad incapable of stringing two sentences together and walking into the furniture. Nice one, did wonders for our already strained relation.
I still feell that stuff has potential though, it realy is like a weak ket, will wonk you, will make you look like a zombie and appreciate dubstep, but it won't bring you into hyperspace, I also feel about 30% of the material just got stuck in my nose. Worst than ket in this respect.
Still given it's half the price of the going rate for ket I'll probably order more at some point.
Of all the dissos currently available online(on RC sites not the dark web), it's probably the best.
Marked anti-depressive properties though, feel reborn today and the kratom boosting is there, I only had two spoons last night, instead of the usual four or five.
Did a gram in a day though, now I'll just have to wait for my MXP to arrive, I reckon 200mgs with no benzos in my system should be a good bedtime dose, yesterday I was full of 3-MMC and Flubromazepam and I think they sort of influenced the experience.
How's everyone today? I'm 30 today, will have a few beers whith a few close mates, as I'm against bday celebrations.
Still it was good to reach this benchmark in age wonked up my tits, it sort of fits the last decade of my life, I decided that from now on I'll be a more cautious with my experiments.
Still they got me some new headphones, Sennheiser, good stuff. Next time I'm on a pv binge I will hear moans and screams in high audio quality, not bad at all. Plus I got some Oakley sunglasses, don't think I'll use them much as I don't leave the house that often. Still I can wear them while looking at the computer screen when my pupils happen to be massively dilated.
Hope you all have a good weekend and that Liverpool smashes Chelsea tomorow.
Stay safe guys, later
About the Ayahuasca thing, I've made my own brews quite a few times in the years past and know people who went to South America to do it with a proper "shaman", let's just say the locals found a cow to milk with rich clueless Westeners going there and spending a fortune to drink a brew they could easily prepare themselves.
A lot of the people in the Amazon who cater to those Aya tourists are actually clueless, some of them will add poisonous plants to the brew out of ignorance, in the Aya community is full of stories of people going there and having local "shamans" try to give them brews made with datura or other deliriants. This could have easily been the case, a bunch of ignorant clueless locals in South America trying to make a quick buck out of foreigners.
Even that guy from Vice Hamilton had one guy try to pass datura for p.viridis and telling him it was the right plant, lucky for him, Hamilton was more knowledged and told him off and didn't drink the concotion or else he could easily have died. B.Caapi(a MAOI) followed by a hefty dose of datura? Bad news
Don't assume that just because you live in the Amazon you have a deep knowledge of the thousands of intoxicants plants there are.
Some of those Ayahuasca resorts are a rip-off, charging huge sums.
Unfortunately, as usual, tourism from rich country has ruined what was a local tradition, now I'm not saying it's impossible to find a true shaman and drink the brew there, but most of those places you can do it are just resorts for hippies, if you're lucky you get an under-strenght brew, if you're unlucky you end up drinking a datura tea and die.
Some of the traditional ingredients for Aya are actually difficult to find and rare even in the Amazon, so the locals will often use alternative plants just to get the paying white man fucked up, just have a look in the Aya forum, full of people with bad experiences in South America.
I'd rather be my own shaman and brew my own, knowing exactly what I'm consuming, unless I come across the real deal, but you won't if you pay out of your ears to go on those Aya tours with a bunch of other wankers, first they ruined Goa, then it was Kho Phangan, then Vang Vieng, there's no place on heart left that hasn't been corrupted by misguided hippies trying to "find themselves" and ruining local communities.
I still feell that stuff has potential though, it realy is like a weak ket, will wonk you, will make you look like a zombie and appreciate dubstep, but it won't bring you into hyperspace, I also feel about 30% of the material just got stuck in my nose. Worst than ket in this respect.
Still given it's half the price of the going rate for ket I'll probably order more at some point.
Of all the dissos currently available online(on RC sites not the dark web), it's probably the best.
Marked anti-depressive properties though, feel reborn today and the kratom boosting is there, I only had two spoons last night, instead of the usual four or five.
Did a gram in a day though, now I'll just have to wait for my MXP to arrive, I reckon 200mgs with no benzos in my system should be a good bedtime dose, yesterday I was full of 3-MMC and Flubromazepam and I think they sort of influenced the experience.
How's everyone today? I'm 30 today, will have a few beers whith a few close mates, as I'm against bday celebrations.
Still it was good to reach this benchmark in age wonked up my tits, it sort of fits the last decade of my life, I decided that from now on I'll be a more cautious with my experiments.
Still they got me some new headphones, Sennheiser, good stuff. Next time I'm on a pv binge I will hear moans and screams in high audio quality, not bad at all. Plus I got some Oakley sunglasses, don't think I'll use them much as I don't leave the house that often. Still I can wear them while looking at the computer screen when my pupils happen to be massively dilated.
Hope you all have a good weekend and that Liverpool smashes Chelsea tomorow.
Stay safe guys, later
About the Ayahuasca thing, I've made my own brews quite a few times in the years past and know people who went to South America to do it with a proper "shaman", let's just say the locals found a cow to milk with rich clueless Westeners going there and spending a fortune to drink a brew they could easily prepare themselves.
A lot of the people in the Amazon who cater to those Aya tourists are actually clueless, some of them will add poisonous plants to the brew out of ignorance, in the Aya community is full of stories of people going there and having local "shamans" try to give them brews made with datura or other deliriants. This could have easily been the case, a bunch of ignorant clueless locals in South America trying to make a quick buck out of foreigners.
Even that guy from Vice Hamilton had one guy try to pass datura for p.viridis and telling him it was the right plant, lucky for him, Hamilton was more knowledged and told him off and didn't drink the concotion or else he could easily have died. B.Caapi(a MAOI) followed by a hefty dose of datura? Bad news
Don't assume that just because you live in the Amazon you have a deep knowledge of the thousands of intoxicants plants there are.
Some of those Ayahuasca resorts are a rip-off, charging huge sums.
Unfortunately, as usual, tourism from rich country has ruined what was a local tradition, now I'm not saying it's impossible to find a true shaman and drink the brew there, but most of those places you can do it are just resorts for hippies, if you're lucky you get an under-strenght brew, if you're unlucky you end up drinking a datura tea and die.
Some of the traditional ingredients for Aya are actually difficult to find and rare even in the Amazon, so the locals will often use alternative plants just to get the paying white man fucked up, just have a look in the Aya forum, full of people with bad experiences in South America.
I'd rather be my own shaman and brew my own, knowing exactly what I'm consuming, unless I come across the real deal, but you won't if you pay out of your ears to go on those Aya tours with a bunch of other wankers, first they ruined Goa, then it was Kho Phangan, then Vang Vieng, there's no place on heart left that hasn't been corrupted by misguided hippies trying to "find themselves" and ruining local communities.
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you are kiddin right Kenny? You forgot about MXE? + You used around 800mg over one single fuckin hour, how can you call it the best seriously? It is weak
BIG HAPPY B DAY TO YA THO' Have a great day :D
Mental Kenny
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you are kiddin right Kenny? You forgot about MXE? + You used around 800mg over one single fuckin hour, how can you call it the best seriously? It is weak
BIG HAPPY B DAY TO YA THO' Have a great day :D
I should have specified, of all the legal dissos. MXE has been banned here
N-ethyl-ket, is good though, even in small doses, it's only good to get a wonk or mix with uppers, not if you want a full on hole. I think it has a ceiling effect anyway, I could have probably reached the same effect with half a gram or less.
I noticed that there's not much difference with this stuff doing 150 mgs lines or 250mgs lines, just an increase in effects but no full on out of body I'm being dragged through a parallel dimension thing.
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StoneHappyMonday
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Happy birthday Mental Kenny and yes, I reckon you're spot on about ayahuasca and the rip off merchants in S America. My mate actually complained about his under-strength concoction but it all got washed under the carpet anyway as they had the cops to deal with because of the death.
Shambles
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That sounds like they just left him to wander off whilst completely out of it. Sounds to me that those who were with him have a few questions to answer of themselves if not in a legal sense. You wouldn't leave somebody clearly tripping hard to just wander off by themselves if it happened here let alone in a rainforest full of any number of hazards for a tourist wandering alone at night. That's ridiculous - no mention of that part of the story in some of the accounts. I wonder why that would be. Makes far better copy to talk about somebody making pig noises and trying to fly than it does to point out negligence on the behalf of whichever tour company was involved (that's assuming it was one of those tourist ayawaska thingies rather than just a group of people on their own - sounded like an organised thing but not much to go on from the article posted above). Irresponsible behaviour if not negligence.
EDIT: Bit more info on the Heil's version of the story. Still doesn't seem very clear what actually happened and what the circumstances were. It's an odd story all round. Apparently about two people a year die "from taking Yage" although cause of death isn't mentioned.