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The Big & Dandy Methoxetamine (MXE) Thread - Chapter 14

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Hopefully I won't break the rules of "no sources here" but, I have a question in mind.
I'm experienced with MDMA, weed/hash, LSD, LSA, psilocibin but I'm interested in dissociatives lately on many levels (psychedelic, spiritual, "anti-depressant" etc..).

I got some Ketamine (s-isomer) from a TOR website, the guy seemed reliable with the ranking etc but STILL I don't trust that source compared to MXE online sources (considered it's still legal in some countries?) and think the dealer might not cut it.

Do you think approaching the dissociatives world with MXE instead of K is a good idea?
I have a scale and I think I'll start with small dosages nasally (5-10mg) and go on from there.

Thanks guys
 
Do you think approaching the dissociatives world with MXE instead of K is a good idea?
I have a scale and I think I'll start with small dosages nasally (5-10mg) and go on from there.

I started with MXE, and it's fine.
 
^Both have their advantages. MXE lasts longer but can be quite stimulating, I tend to feel uncomfortable when dosing high enough to hole. Ketamine doesn't last near as long but IME is easier to hole on. I like the fact that I can take a large dose of k and fall asleep in a couple hours, compared to MXE which keeps me up til daylight if I dose past 11pm.
 
An Easter Monday Sermon in the Entheogenic Church of Rectal Methoxetamine by Reverend Asante


A sermon for all heathens and unbelievers who, like myself were too high from Bicycle Day and 420, or had entirely valid personal reasons not to attend Easter Sunday Mass, and for those who did but want to recapture the feeling.


Brothers, Sisters and all In Between!

Last night when I lay in bed I had an extraordinary dream. In my country there is something called the Avondvierdaagse, where people attend for a scenic hike through whichever city this hike is held in.

I found myself in the bus riding towards my destination, but! something was all wrong. I was obese and out of shape, as I am. I had pain in my back and pain in my ankles and, yes, instead of hiking boots I had nothing but flip flops on my feet.

In other words brethren, and I mean this in the broadest sense, I was totally unprepared for the journey.

I arrived at my destination and I thought: There is no way I can hike that far under these conditions. I would suffer immensely and I would fail, and I would be left to my own devices out in the wilderness.

In despair I looked in my wallet and wondered if I should call a taxi, but oh! I didnt bring my cell phone and the money in my wallet was not enough, because I was far away from home.

Then something happened: The money in my wallet multiplied. Bills added to bills and now there was enough to go back by bus. I didnt know where I was, I was out in the boondocks but then I thought: The bus driver. I can wait for the next bus and ask the bus driver which connections of busses I needed to get back home.

And I awoke, disturbed I tell you. I went downstairs, took my heart meds, my vitamins and ate a banana.

I wondered, brethren, the universe has put me on a journey. Would it be a journey I can undertake, or would I be stranded in the wilderness, all alone, left to my own devices?

The idea was born to consult the Eucharist. So I weighed 40 milligrams of Methoxetamine, mixed it into a milliliter of water, and sucked it into a syringe without a needle. I buttered it up good, burnt incense on my altar, and went to my bedroom. There, brethren, I raised the syringe aloft and asked the Universe for a blessing, and felt I received it. I lay myself down in foetal position, pants lowered, and inserted the front end of the buttered syringe into my rectum. As I put my finger on the plunger my Inner Voice spoke to me and said: "I will send you on a journey. Do you believe in yourself?" And I said yes. It asked: "do you believe you are ready for this leap into the unknown?" I again said yes. "Then Asante, you may take the plunge." I took the plunge, retieved the syringe, went downbstairs, washed it with soap and then returned to my comfy chair, closing my eyes.

Brothers, sisters and all in between, I was taken aloft! That anal rocket took me to the stars, and then beyond.

I was cast into myself, the outside world left behind, absorbed into a dimension of thought and experience that what all me.

My Inner Voice, which also is entirely me, awaited me there and amidst this comforting inner dimension it began instructing me.

Brethren, it told me that all is One. It told me I should not fear Sin, because Sin too is part of that One and is here to teach us. It taught me that Sin often leads to Suffering but that Suffering too is a learning experience. I asked, "But what of Death?" It told me, "Then life starts anew and you will ascend higher still in that next life." I asked where it would lead and it told me this:

"You are God's Child. You are all God's Children. This is what is preached a lot but it is often misunderstood. What it means that each and every one of you are the child form of that God, in different incarnations spread out amongst each other. Even though there is a succession of lower to higher, all are of exactly equal value as all are the Lord God Himself, Herself, Itself. That is the true meaning of being God's Children. And once the Highest is achieved, and you are the One God Almighty in all Its Glory, then the Snake will bite its own tail, and It will descend from the Most High to the most Low, and go the journey, that is all of existence, forevermore."

Brethren, I was in awe at this revelation. But then came a personal message.

"Your dream of last night, what it meant was that you are afraid that Life itself is a journey that you cannot complete, and that you will be lost in the wilderness. This will not be, not in this life, but in any life. Never will more be asked of you than you can give, and never will less be asked of you than you need to grow. And how you will do it will be just right, with all the glory and the suffering and the pleasure and pain, your euphoria and despair, into life, into death, forevermore."

My Inner Voice then told me that it wanted me, wanted us, to believe and have hope in our hearts, and try to have faith in the journey of our lives, in both the journey and the destination.

An idea formed to write this sermon, and it told me that there would be people who would worry, who would frown and shake their head, but that Good surely was to come of it, and that it would serve to entertain and inspire most who make it through. It told me to bring it with zeal, with humor and humility, and that I should emphasize greatly that all people, exactly as they are, are equally Divine.

It told me that it was Easter, and that this was my Mass, it asked me if I was ready to go out into the world, I said it was so and was told to open my eyes, and there I sat, in my chair, high and content on this beautiful morning of Easter Monday.

Because it is Easter I will send you home with a story from the Great Book that is The Internet, a story which, befitting Easter, is called, The Egg and it is wholesome for all, be it an Atheist or Believer of whatever denomination to ponder.

Brothers, Sisters, and all In Between, I wish you a blessed Easter Monday, thank you for attending.

May You Feel Blessed.
 
Yeah I totally agree. Shpongle is the most organic sounding electronic music I have ever heard. That guy is a genius, straight up. It's so layered and complex, it seems to embody the psychedelic experience in sound. On MXE it's unbelievably perfect. And I think Nothing Lasts But Nothing Is Lost is their most varied and complex album. A lot of people I know prefer Are You Shpongled, but I don't (though that one is great too).

I say, Norway beats England on the complex-organic-psychedelic electronic music genius front.

Fragletrollet.
 
Asante, you know how to trip my friend. I have found that assigning the power of a spiritual sacrament to MXE, in this case likening it to the Eucharist, changes the mind going into the trip to welcome a greater degree of magical thinking. Magical thinking, when applied to MXE, blows open the doors of trip possibility.

Because it is Easter I will send you home with a story from the Great Book that is The Internet, a story which, befitting Easter, is called, The Egg and it is wholesome for all, be it an Atheist or Believer of whatever denomination to ponder.

I shall henceforth always refer to The Internet as 'The Great Book'. LOL! Did that term also come to you during your trip's inner dialogue?

'The Egg' really is an amazing story I read many years ago, but the notion has stuck with me powerfully ever since. While it is a radical notion, it is one that always feels so real and possible from the context of the dissociated head space, if not literally, at least metaphorically.
 
How is it lacing a little bit (5-10mg) of MXE on a bowl of cannabis? I've vaped it before with mild success, but I've never tried dusting my weed with it.
 
Took too much of this (again), had a panic attack, and my parents ended up coming by, found me like this, and took me to the ER. I told the doctor what I took and that I just took too much. He took it well, comforted me, and told me just to be more careful. After an hour or two, I came down and they let me go. I made a huge mistake. I hope none of this gets out and calls the legality of this into question. Sorry, everyone. I know a did a stupid thing. I hope I did not ruin things for everyone else who uses this responsibly. I am sorry :(
 
'The Egg' really is an amazing story I read many years ago, but the notion has stuck with me powerfully ever since. While it is a radical notion, it is one that always feels so real and possible from the context of the dissociated head space, if not literally, at least metaphorically.

Yeah, I never thought of the universe as a single soul's collective experience. If we do live in a multiverse, where many universes bubble up from singularities in reality, then this could certainly explain something about the nature of that. Of course we have no way of knowing right now, but it sure is fun to think about. :)
 
How is it lacing a little bit (5-10mg) of MXE on a bowl of cannabis? I've vaped it before with mild success, but I've never tried dusting my weed with it.

I enjoyed it, it's quite like how I would imagine PCP to be. Much more abrupt and manic than any other RoA, it's quite a bit rough which may be due to degradation of the chemical after smoking. I'd certainly do it again though, but only really as a boost to a regular dose or just a tiny bit sprinkled on some weed to add to the punch.

It makes for a great head rush though, it's like back when you first started smoking and a bong hit would send your head swimming
 
I'm pleasantly surprised by the synergy between mxe and synthetic 'noids. Combining cannabis and mxe has always resulted in severe anxiety yet 5f-sdb-005/mxe is extremely pleasant. On a side note, does anyone else love watching/reading sci-fi books/movies/shows on this chem? I just watched Prometheus on ~100mgs and it was quite amazing. I also just finished reading Brave New World by Aldous Huxley and although I'm sure it would be excellent while sober it was fantastic on mxe. Science-Fiction/MXE FTW!!!

(Sorry for the poorly written post. I really should start waiting until I come down before I login)
 
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Man, I really can't get into movies or TV on dissociatives for some reason. It always looks like everyone is stiff and awkward and acting terribly. Actually kind of hard to watch, or just completely disinteresting at best.

Took too much of this (again), had a panic attack, and my parents ended up coming by, found me like this, and took me to the ER. I told the doctor what I took and that I just took too much. He took it well, comforted me, and told me just to be more careful. After an hour or two, I came down and they let me go. I made a huge mistake. I hope none of this gets out and calls the legality of this into question. Sorry, everyone. I know a did a stupid thing. I hope I did not ruin things for everyone else who uses this responsibly. I am sorry :(

Glad you're okay, just learn from this and stop taking too much. :) By the doctor's reaction, I wouldn't worry too much. Just freaking out (as opposed to having a serious physical reaction or dying) seems unlikely to bring much attention, unless your parents or the police or doctors decide to demonize it (some people are real "drug war warriors" unfortunately). If they did, then it would likely gain some attention in your local area, but no one outside of your local area will even know about you or anything you do.
 
I totally understand your problem with getting into tv and movies. It's like you don't see the characters in the movie, all you see is a bunch of actors trying to act. It can be very unsettling, like you're peeling off the outer layer of "movie" and you see how fake it really is. Often because of these effects I get stuck trying to figure out what kind of relationships there are between the actors instead of looking at the characters and following the actual movie. Sometimes they have milk-cartons for faces.

I don't usually get this effect though, only when I do too much for what's really mentally comfortable. I usually do several low doses untill I get "sucked into" the movie with the lights off and sparkly spacey-time tunnelvision.
MXE has enhanced movies and tv-shows alot for me, I now have special mxe-movies, mxe-tvshows and mxe-games that only make sense and are fun when I'm on MXE. Entertainment that in retrospect seem tailor made for the mxeican state of mind that I'd never get into if I was sober. Kinda odd stuff like Lexx or Wild Palms

Watch some old cheap or improvised movies, they might be easier to get into. Like Easy Rider or Goin' South. It's not reality, but it's more sincere, people are drunk and fucked up and do not follow the script so closely.

One movie suggestion, check out Johnny Mnemonic! It's an awesome ride that in my opinion really fits the wierdness of mxe. Also fun without drugs, Keanu Reeves' wooden acting actually benefits the film as the character Johnny. In the future where everything is hackable, smuggler Johnny carries 80 gigs of data in his head, and everyone wants a piece.
Don't watch Tetsuo
 
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My experiences with MXE at various doses:

10mg: No noticeable effects at first. Potentiated the hell out of the 5mg dextroamphetamine I was on. Ridiculously strong emotions, like some type of emotional telepathy.

30mg: Mild, opiate-like high, some dissociation, but I was able to function quite well. Nothing too interesting to note. The usual emotional numbness.

100mg: Pretty extreme dissociation at this dose. Body felt vaguely similar to DXM, but harder to get up without stumbling a few times. Once I’m up, I have little trouble walking around. Entity contact, but couldn’t quite break through. I felt the presence of a doctor, very clearly felt a needle going through my neck (under anesthesia as I was). At some later point, I thought about death, and was able to accept it, like it no longer bothered me. Massive Attack sounded wonderful. Blackout seizure at some point, but didn’t realize it until much later, today in fact. Blood stained the floors, though it held no meaning to me at the time. Extremely sexual during the second half of the trip. Emotional numbness throughout, as well as the next day.

200mg: No stronger in terms of dissociation compared to 100mg. Body seized at some point. I was certain I was dead, and I welcomed it with open arms. Possibly another blackout seizure? Very powerful run-in with death. I looked at an object in my view, and it simply floated away. The entire room soon dissolved, and I was in complete blackness. The ego was dead for the first half of the trip. Once again, powerful sexual effects during the second half of the trip. Emotional numbness just as strong as 100mg, lasting throughout the next day. This has been my strongest experience thus far.

400mg (yes, you read that correct ;) ): Again no stronger compared to 200 or 100mg. In fact, I had a harder time breaking through at this dose, so I ended up having a typical MXE trip, closer to 100mg though without the entity contact. Shpongle was absolutely delicious on MXE, hugely appreciate all the recommendations. Definite blackout seizure, seemingly instantaneous as they all were. I closed my eyes and ended up in the same position, but noticed trickles of blood lining the floors. As always, it held no meaning until afterwards. Only today did I realize I was having seizures. I’m unsure how long I was out. 2 seconds? 2 hours? Time no longer passes consistently on MXE, so it’s truly impossible to know. This dose lasted 18 hours total. Emotional numbness again as an aftereffect, though strangely weaker at this dose. 5mg dextroamphetamine brought the effects back once again 2 days later (!). Fortunately, even massive doses of MXE don’t seem to be lethal, which was exactly what I was attempting to prove with this test (you don’t need to tell me how reckless this is, I’m well aware.)

No trip-sitter was present during any of these tests. Once again, I’m well aware of my recklessness. Most of my fellow psychonauts are terrified of dissociatives, for whatever reason, so getting a trip-sitter was out of the question. Only Intuniv (time-released guanfacine) and a multivitamin were used in combination. As always, do as I say, not as I do. I could’ve easily killed myself multiple times during these tests. I’ll attempt to use 50mg, a more reasonable dose next time. For now, I’m just glad to be alive. Never do dissociatives alone. Worst case scenario, if it comes to this, keep movement to a minimum. Hell, don’t even use the bathroom, that’s what nearly killed me. It seems most of the cases of lasting damage are catalyzed by other agents, especially marijuana and opiates. MXE alone rarely leaves any lasting negative effects beyond the day after. Emotions and intellect are completely back to normal by day 2, save for my 400mg trip which lasted well into the next day. Aside from some minor dissociation (well below even that of 30mg) and extremely mild emotional numbness, I’m back to normal.

Apologies for the sloppily-written report. Unfortunately, I don't have the time to write anything lengthier. If anyone needs me to clarify something, feel free to ask.
 
Glad you're okay, just learn from this and stop taking too much. :) By the doctor's reaction, I wouldn't worry too much. Just freaking out (as opposed to having a serious physical reaction or dying) seems unlikely to bring much attention, unless your parents or the police or doctors decide to demonize it (some people are real "drug war warriors" unfortunately). If they did, then it would likely gain some attention in your local area, but no one outside of your local area will even know about you or anything you do.

Thank you for being so understanding. My parents thought I was having a heart attack or something, but once they found out what it was they felt almost as embarrassed as I did, I think. I will definitely learn from this experience :)
 
Methoxetamine -- Abuse May Lead To Habituation Or Addiction


Hi. I'm Asante, and I'm a Methoxetaholic.

For quite some time now I have been using MXE very regularly, almost daily even. This went not unnoticed on the boards and some posters commented on it in concern. And my response has always been: "nahh I don't feel addicted, I realize I use more often than I perhaps should but its not an issue for me.

And it wasnt.

I always had compelling reasons to use and the experience always was very psychologically and spiritually rewarding.

It wasnt an issue.

But a few days ago I decided to make it an issue, and to decide that enough was enough, I was going to quit, starting that day. Shouldnt be a problem if I wasnt addicted right?

But! Ever since I have found reasons, perfectly valid and perfectly sensible, to take just one more dose. And I started to notice that, if you stopped listening to the motivations and started looking at the actions, the net result was that I had decided to quit and yet one after the other dose still found their way into my body. They were smaller doses and fewer doses and the resistance increased exponentially, but it carried on nonetheless.

And that started to mess with me bigtime. Only a few weeks ago I stopped using effortlessly for a week with no issue but now when I decide to take a few weeks break its excuses left and right.

There is no withdrawal, in fact if I am quit a few days I likely will feel better. I'm sleeping less than I should and beep pushing some dosing throughout the day, that cant be good.

But psychologically I dont quite feel ready to let go now.

Last night I asked my inner dialogue: "this is getting problematic. Can you please block my path so that taking more wont work anymore?"

This morning I woke very early and you guessed it, temptation tricked me into taking another dose. But now the path was blocked, I got a royal bad trip. About how it has now become an issue because I made an issue and if I kept using I would be harming myself by violating my decision.

I got psychosomatically ill. I got a panic attack. The path is blocked as I requested, my higher self is enforcing that I quit for some weeks now, or until its convinced I am ready to use again, and if I cross the line it will simply hurt and hammer in the message to quit, not as a punishment but to help me be true to myself.

I just called my best friend who has an alcohol and weed issue and spilled the beans. Acknowledged I had a problem. We talked freely about our experiences with addiction and he proposed that if I should fail in a few days, he would relieve me of my stash temporarily to ease the burden.

Shits getting real, this is why I decided to make this post.

My MXE use has gotten problematic, because I gave in to temptation more than I listened to reason, to limit muy usage. And now I'm stuck with the bill.

More ofv you have dealt with addiction, I myself too, before. How did you solve it. If you didnt, how do you manage breaks?

I dont want to quit but I want to become a responsible user again. It should not be too late for that.

Any advice?
 
^ I feel you dude. Honestly, I was the same way.. until I ran out. Once I didn't have access to anymore it was relatively easy to stop dosing, but having grams sitting around the house led to compulsive dosing everyday...



MXE can be quite habitual in all honesty, not quite addictive in the classic sense but it is very easy to ignore the negatives that everyday dosing causes.
 
Thank you for your support.

Its an entheogen Im starting to get hooked on, so I decided to take some more and devote the trip to making my plans.

And so I did! I have a plan an have put it into effect.

Its not heroin, theres not going to be physical withdrawal, in fact my body will be relieved of a modest burden. Its not cigarettes that I smoked for over 20 years, that I quit a year ago - I'm not going to fiend like a motherfucker, its just several weeks of continuous use of a psychologically addictive substance that needs to stop.

I divided my dissociatives into a few tiny stashes, I called a few trusted psychedelic friends who will come pick them up over the course of the day, the first one is already out the door, who'll keep my humble stash in decentralized storage.

By telling several psychedelic friends I made it very real for me, no sugarcoating the potential addiction that might be forming, they'll all know whats up and keep an eye out for me, I get a bunch of visits today in my time of need and the stash is safer that it has been, in decentralized storage.

A not too great psychedelic problem, solved the psychedelic way.

Today I'll be ending my binge in style with a few final doses and tons of reflection, while my friends drop by one by one to relieve me of my stash.

The binge Ive been on has given me so much food for thought and impulses to effect while sober, that sobriety will begin tomorrow and I can focus on coming back to the wonderful realm of sober living.

I don't anticipate much difficulty, now that it will be out of my hands. Its just been some weeks and its not physically addictive. A decentralized stash is the best kind of stash to have anyhow, and I can relearn myself responsible use one vial at a time, and my friends have something nice in case of unexpected calamity. Nothing but up sides to this =D


Wish me luck.
 
Methoxetamine -- Abuse May Lead To Habituation Or Addiction


Hi. I'm Asante, and I'm a Methoxetaholic.

For quite some time now I have been using MXE very regularly, almost daily even. This went not unnoticed on the boards and some posters commented on it in concern. And my response has always been: "nahh I don't feel addicted, I realize I use more often than I perhaps should but its not an issue for me.

And it wasnt.

I always had compelling reasons to use and the experience always was very psychologically and spiritually rewarding.

It wasnt an issue.

But a few days ago I decided to make it an issue, and to decide that enough was enough, I was going to quit, starting that day. Shouldnt be a problem if I wasnt addicted right?

But! Ever since I have found reasons, perfectly valid and perfectly sensible, to take just one more dose. And I started to notice that, if you stopped listening to the motivations and started looking at the actions, the net result was that I had decided to quit and yet one after the other dose still found their way into my body. They were smaller doses and fewer doses and the resistance increased exponentially, but it carried on nonetheless.

And that started to mess with me bigtime. Only a few weeks ago I stopped using effortlessly for a week with no issue but now when I decide to take a few weeks break its excuses left and right.

There is no withdrawal, in fact if I am quit a few days I likely will feel better. I'm sleeping less than I should and beep pushing some dosing throughout the day, that cant be good.

But psychologically I dont quite feel ready to let go now.

Last night I asked my inner dialogue: "this is getting problematic. Can you please block my path so that taking more wont work anymore?"

This morning I woke very early and you guessed it, temptation tricked me into taking another dose. But now the path was blocked, I got a royal bad trip. About how it has now become an issue because I made an issue and if I kept using I would be harming myself by violating my decision.

I got psychosomatically ill. I got a panic attack. The path is blocked as I requested, my higher self is enforcing that I quit for some weeks now, or until its convinced I am ready to use again, and if I cross the line it will simply hurt and hammer in the message to quit, not as a punishment but to help me be true to myself.

I just called my best friend who has an alcohol and weed issue and spilled the beans. Acknowledged I had a problem. We talked freely about our experiences with addiction and he proposed that if I should fail in a few days, he would relieve me of my stash temporarily to ease the burden.

Shits getting real, this is why I decided to make this post.

My MXE use has gotten problematic, because I gave in to temptation more than I listened to reason, to limit muy usage. And now I'm stuck with the bill.

More ofv you have dealt with addiction, I myself too, before. How did you solve it. If you didnt, how do you manage breaks?

I dont want to quit but I want to become a responsible user again. It should not be too late for that.

Any advice?

You have just described the psychological process of addiction in a nutshell. Your brain will come up with "perfectly sensible" reasons to keep using. Mind you, they are not, in reality, sensible at all. We have a powerful ability to rationalize to ourselves. I've been on that train for 10 years. You were smart to get it out of your house and realize this early on.

Good luck man, keep trying to remember why sobriety is good, tell yourself every day. Feel fortunate you did this with something not physically addictive because that physical addiction adds a WHOLE new element.
 
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