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I expected more euphoria for sure, the way I hear it talked up, and the number of reports on Erowid that claim it's better than MDMA. I didn't expect better than MDMA, but just a little more I guess. Ah well, nothing ever affects me the way it used to before I abused the shit out of psychedelics. :\

At least I feel pretty good today... emotionally. I felt practically cross-eyed for the first half of the day, definitely like I was on drugs yesterday.
 
^ do you guys make sure to eat/drink while on 6-apb?

even when i'm on an anorectic drug i always try to force myself to get down some food. seems to help with the side effects like headaches.

smoothies / protein shakes are also a good alternative if you don't feel like chewing. :)
 
^ do you guys make sure to eat/drink while on 6-apb?

even when i'm on an anorectic drug i always try to force myself to get down some food. seems to help with the side effects like headaches.

smoothies / protein shakes are also a good alternative if you don't feel like chewing. :)

I especially make sure to eat, drink, and even take things like Magnesium for when I'm on 6-apb. But the headaches happen no matter what, aspirin, tylenol, ibuprofen (not combined) won't do the trick either. It's just an inevitability for me whenever I take it. Maybe it's because I have high blood pressure? If it weren't for the nausea and the headaches the bag I've had since like 2010 of the tan stuff would be long gone. I even tried buying a different white batch a couple of years later and it was exactly the same.
 
Hey amanitadine, were you still on opiates when you took ibogaine? Some people say you should detox first, but others say different. I just wanted to know if you did and/or what you think about that.
 
I read somewhere that Ketamine could also be used in detox. Idk, Ibogaine seems like quite the trip
 
It's not even close to the same. Ibogaine first of all blocks withdrawals, and the metabolite nor-ibogaine provides a weeks-long euphoric boost after and the trip itself confronts you with things you need to understand about yourself. I've used ketamine for it, but it only stops you feeling them while you're on it, for me only if I was on a pretty high dose. Afterwards nothing had changed, and I can't stay in a dissociative hole for a week or longer. I agree though, iboga does sound like a fucking intense trip, but everyone I know who's done it (for the same reason I am) said it wasn't scary, but intense, and more than worth it. I'm fucking scared, for sure, but I feel like it's the right thing, I've been addicted to opiates for 10 years, I've quit multiple times, and here I am.
 
Yeah I'd probably like to try it a second time, years from now, when I'm not addicted to opiates. At least at this point I think I would like to, who knows, maybe the once will be enough.
 
What do u guys think about aMT? Any negatives? Do I remember correct that Xorkoth said something about abusing it or was it someone else?

I'm thinking of giving it another go, I did it once with 30mg and it was disappointment. Next time I would try 50-60mg
 
^Folks seem to like it passing well, it's a matter of finding your sweet spot. At least that's my impression, haven't wandered that way myself.


Protip: If you're trying to avoid making noise, then you probably shouldn't open a bottle of champagne.

Anyhow, you get music, bit off from my usual style, but I've gotten into'em.

So the streetlight shining warmly through the sweetgum leaves made me think, reminded me of stained glass and iron, made me think that I've been here before.....in a dream. Tower of wrought iron and with stained glass platform/fan-ish things (mostly green), it was indoors, in France, I forget the who and why that was involved, but I had forgotten the whole thing previously.
 
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Hey amanitadine, were you still on opiates when you took ibogaine? Some people say you should detox first, but others say different. I just wanted to know if you did and/or what you think about that.


The general consensus is just that you should be "sick"....not necessarily sicker than shit, but sick nonetheless. Taken in the quantities it is (+1g) Ibogaine is pretty effective as a MOR agonist, and nor-Ibo even stronger. And given the hefty NMDA antagonism , the potential for overdose if someone was still on an active dose of say, heroin, is pretty real. Also, the longer you wait, the greater your relief will be, and you shave hours or a day or however long you go off of your recovery time.

I seem to metabolize it quickly, and have basically no fat on me. But what fat I have was enough to soak up enough nor-Ibo that I was still seeing great tracers in the early morning and late night for 4 days or so. The primary "trip" for me was about 4 hours long, followed by a few hours of ramping down of the psychedelic phase, and then about 20 hours of a kind of physical restlessness and an introspective headspace. Both times I wanted to knock myself out to get some sleep, and thought "this didn't work!" (very very common) but really this space, that seems so benign compared to the mega trip, is where the magic thinking happens in retrospect. Most people, myself included, have a day of pretty intense grey-ness, malaise, and depression post Iboga. Then you get a little sleep and wake up feeling very different! Battered, but a whole new lease on things, and each day gets better from there on out.....

To answer your question ;) : the first time I waited 8 hours post Kratom, and took 100 mg of Ibogaine, and an hour later took 1 g and 750mg of TA. This was more than enough....my next trip was more lucid and more constructive...

Second time I waited 5 hours (I start to feel withdrawal from Kratom at 3.5-4th post ingestion) and took 1g Ibogaine and 350 mg TA.....like I said, this trip was much deeper, and I actually did get some insight and great visions, rather than just the chaos and hallucinations of the first session...I had one otherworldly and amazing thing happen the first trip, but I'll save that for the trip report I will someday write.....I was craving Kratom/opioids after both times, but not anything near where I normally would. So far so good on the second session...it's been around a month I think :)

It is powerful, but very gentle as well. Coming from your tripping background it will be a cakewalk. I was nervous at first, but now wouldn't hesitate. As a stand along psychedelic it is class! Taxing and draining, but one of the best!


If you sincerely want to kick opioids, which by all accounts it seems you do, Iboga can give you the leg up to do so.
 
Thanks much, this helps. When I said "on opiates", I meant still addicted. I asked because it seems like some of the centers detox you completely first, and some people say the same. Obviously I'm nervous! But getting less nervous as I talk to more people.

That 4 hour main trip is crazy! People talk about it lasting for 24 hours or more before you're even aware of where you are again. I also have very little fat and metabolize things very quick. I guess we'll see. I think 4 hours is the shortest I've ever heard.

And congrats on the month. :)
 
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