Little to no roll?

[blackl1ght]

[TESTED] Little to no roll?

So i went to aa concert and was gonna drop some of this mdma i had. Ive taken it previously and tested it purple-black, marquis reagent test i know its strength ive taken the same MDMA same batch 3-4 times. The last dose ive taken was on NYE which was a .1 and i was rolling so hard i didnt want to move for the first hour. I also did a 5-htp month load before that though. So 3 months later at this concert i took a .09 dose and felt little to no roll. Same excate mdma ive had the entire time nothing different. I didnot 5htp load cause it was 3 months later and when i did load it was cause i was rolling more often. Also about an 2 hours later after the first dose i took my 2nd dose same stuff of a .07 which did the same thing little to no roll. My only explanation is some supplements Ive been taken recently, one specifically that has a fat burner, which would raise my metabolism. Would that cause my body to break down the mdma so fast it couldn't get absorbed? I did take a serving size that day. I dont want to make the same mistake twice!! this stuff is to precious to come by

edit: its also worth mentioning that i do have a cold, just a stuffy nose, cough nothing to crazy. i didnt take any cough medicine that day but i did vitamin c load the before to try and feel better.

edit2: my buddy who takes the same supplements as me just went to a event and is rolling face off a .1 off the same mdma, im starting to think maybe it has more to do with how the state of my stomach was, if that can effect absorption.

edit3: sorry mods for no prefix, not sure how to edit it in


Supplements = Ruled Out
Stomach State = In Question

 

[Brendles]

that's crazy if you're taking 70mg and feeling anything. Most people stick with around .1 to start. You're not doing yourself any favors by loading up on 5-htp thats just the precursor to serotonin, and when you take MDMA you're basically experiencing a blast of serotonin. 5-HtP works best for the day after a strong roll, for getting your depleted serotonin back to speed.

IMO it sounds like you didn't roll because you have a tolerance and .16 dose is about standard, take a higher dose. I've never capped anything under .12

No, metabolism cant influence mdma breakdown at such a scale that you wont feel it

 

[Black]

was your stuff a uniform powder or rather large crystals (if the latter, then i imagine it could have been cut with an inactive substance similar in appearance and just picked the wrong crystals this time).

what kind of "fat burner" do you take?
most of these things are bullshit and with near certainty don't increase the liver enzymes that break down mdma. if they indeed work and there's some amphetamine derivative (most likely ephedrine - if so, then don't take that regularly, it's a rather unhealthy way for losing weight) inside, that could dampen the roll for sure. some "fat burners" also mess with absorption of certain nutritients, which could alter the absorption of the mdma, but really, most such products are completely inactive. anyway, without knowing what kind of product you took, it's impossible for us to know if it could have affected your roll.

 

[Black]

that's crazy if you're taking 70mg and feeling anything. Most people stick with around .1 to start. You're not doing yourself any favors by loading up on 5-htp thats just the precursor to serotonin, and when you take MDMA you're basically experiencing a blast of serotonin. 5-HtP works best for the day after a strong roll, for getting your depleted serotonin back to speed.

IMO it sounds like you didn't roll because you have a tolerance and .16 dose is about standard, take a higher dose. I've never capped anything under .12

No, metabolism cant influence mdma breakdown at such a scale that you wont feel it

just because you have a tolerance (or overestimate the purity of your stuff) doesn't mean that anyone else needs such doses. with 120mg as a single initial dose i can hardly walk straight and i find 90-110mg to be ideal. 160mg would be way too much. most pills we had back in the day were around 70mg and one of those they had most of us rolling fine, albeit not as intense as we most liked to be (we then remedied the situation by taking one and a half making a total of 105mg). first-timers always even had an intense 6h night with a single pill.

 

[One Thousand Words]

I find that I need an almost empty stomach otherwise I will have a very average experience. Without a doubt I would say your "fat burner" was a factor although you were dosing a little low for most people. Some fat burners are thermogenics and work by increasing the body's temperature enabling the body's ability to burn calories as heat; to be used as energy, thereby preventing them from being stored a fat, so I would be careful mixing MDMA with them any way. Other diet supplements effectively "coat" the GI tract and limit absorption which would obviously have an effect.

Personally if you are planning on taking drugs and dancing all night I would suggest that you would burn more than enough calories that you could probably skip your diet regime for a day or two.

 

[blackl1ght]

was your stuff a uniform powder or rather large crystals (if the latter, then i imagine it could have been cut with an inactive substance similar in appearance and just picked the wrong crystals this time).

what kind of "fat burner" do you take?
most of these things are bullshit and with near certainty don't increase the liver enzymes that break down mdma. if they indeed work and there's some amphetamine derivative (most likely ephedrine - if so, then don't take that regularly, it's a rather unhealthy way for losing weight) inside, that could dampen the roll for sure. some "fat burners" also mess with absorption of certain nutritients, which could alter the absorption of the mdma, but really, most such products are completely inactive. anyway, without knowing what kind of product you took, it's impossible for us to know if it could have affected your roll.

the first cap was one large rock crystal, the 2nd cap was crystal powder. they were both same color. the stuff is real bitter taste. the fat burner is in a test product, that release natural testosterone locked in your muscles in your body. i dont not believe it contains ephedrine

i know what doseage to take ive taken it about 3-4 times and first times were a month about each other. this time was 3 month break and i figured i was gonna roll really hard because i havent taken it in a couple months

 

[Black]

the first cap was one large rock crystal, the 2nd cap was crystal powder. they were both same color. the stuff is real bitter taste, from the deep shipped from europe.

i know what doseage to take ive taken it about 3-4 times and first times were a month about each other. this time was 3 month break and i figured i was gonna roll really hard because i havent taken it in a couple months

that you've taken the same batch 3-4 times makes it pretty unlikely, but it still cannot be ruled out that the quality isn't uniform.

of course, expectations, set and setting can also play a role. every time i had expected and extra-great roll, it ended up being disappointing...

the fat burner is in a test product, that release natural testosterone locked in your muscles in your body.

i'm not too knowledgable about sex hormones, but i'm pretty sure there's no testosterone "locked" in your muscles and therefore to way to release that testosterone. testosterone is a pretty lipophilic compound and muscles are pretty hydrophilic things (at least when compared to other types of tissue), so i'd rather suspect testosterone to be accumulating in adipose tissue if it indeed does accumulate somwhere. but in theory, i see no reason why testosterone should negatively affect your response to mdma. maybe some regulars from the steroid forum have some experience here?

"test product" means that there's no information on the ingredients?

 

[blackl1ght]

that you've taken the same batch 3-4 times makes it pretty unlikely, but it still cannot be ruled out that the quality isn't uniform.

of course, expectations, set and setting can also play a role. every time i had expected and extra-great roll, it ended up being disappointing...

maybe bound is more of the word im looking for not locked in your muscles

and here is the product
*SNIP*

ingredient list is little bit down on left side

edit: new info on original post

 

[Black]

maybe bound is more of the word im looking for not locked in your muscles

and here is the product
*SNIP*

ingredient list is little bit down on left side

ah, so the main ingredients are bulbine natalensis (there's only one good study on this where it increases testosterone levels by an unknown mechanism in rats), tribulus terrestris (which supposedly increases testosterone levels but has since been proven not to work for that intent), fagodia agrestis (see bulbine, no good data either on this one), divanil (which binds to the testosterone transporter protein in the bloodstream, supposedly making for testosterone available for the tissues, but again there's no evidence showing that it actually does that) and pygeum africanum (which is used against prostate hyperplasia in traditional african medicine but which is also a potent inhibitor of various liver enzymes).

so all that "frees testosterone bound in the muscles" is marketing bullshit. it's a combination of various herbs with none of them proven to enhance testosterone levels (or to be safe for that matter) in humans. it somehow sounds like it's the steroid equivalent of those "herbal xtc" pills we had before the RC explosion. but the important thing in this context (besides that no one knows what active substances could be in those plants) is that one of those herbs inhibits one of the most important enzymes used for metabolising drugs (CYP3A4). with mdma this isn't a problem as mdma has similar properties, but i'd be very careful about taking any pharmaceuticals when taking this supplement. lots of medicines use that metabolic pathway and you could unintentionally get way too high doses in your bloodstream with that combination.

edit: new info on original post

vitamin c doesn't affect your roll. having a cold certainly can. and not having an empty stomach surely slows absorption, resulting in lower peak concentrations of mdma.

 

[blackl1ght]

ah, so the main ingredients are bulbine natalensis (there's only one good study on this where it increases testosterone levels by an unknown mechanism in rats), tribulus terrestris (which supposedly increases testosterone levels but has since been proven not to work for that intent), fagodia agrestis (see bulbine, no good data either on this one), divanil (which binds to the testosterone transporter protein in the bloodstream, supposedly making for testosterone available for the tissues, but again there's no evidence showing that it actually does that) and pygeum africanum (which is used against prostate hyperplasia in traditional african medicine but which is also a potent inhibitor of various liver enzymes).

so all that "frees testosterone bound in the muscles" is marketing bullshit. it's a combination of various herbs with none of them proven to enhance testosterone levels (or to be safe for that matter) in humans. it somehow sounds like it's the steroid equivalent of those "herbal xtc" pills we had before the RC explosion. but the important thing in this context (besides that no one knows what active substances could be in those plants) is that one of those herbs inhibits one of the most important enzymes used for metabolising drugs (CYP3A4). with mdma this isn't a problem as mdma has similar properties, but i'd be very careful about taking any pharmaceuticals when taking this supplement. lots of medicines use that metabolic pathway and you could unintentionally get way too high doses in your bloodstream with that combination.



vitamin c doesn't affect your roll. having a cold certainly can. and not having an empty stomach surely slows absorption, resulting in lower peak concentrations of mdma.

i really appreciate all the info your giving me, really helping me out so i dont fuck myself over in the future, thanks very much for your knowledge Black. I had ate prior 2 and half hours before, a 6inch subway sandwich. I thought it would be digested fully, as well from the time of that sub to rolling i had only drank water no alcohol. I have absolutely no idea what prevented me from rolling =(, regardless the show was so amazing mdma or not it was a great experience

I was under the impression an acidic stomach state will "eat" away at the mdma and not allow it absorb. I did attempt to neutralize my stomach acids by having a protein shake in the morning, but i did take over 4000% DV of vitamin C the day before, never again lol my stomach did not feel good by the VitC drink.

edit: the product i take is highest seller in natural market for a couple years, im not doubting your research or disagreeing with it (thanks alot for digging into the product) but i believe it does have some t boosting properties to it (or placebo ). Im certainly very more awake and ready to go in the morning with more energy throughout the day, and lifting has gone ^, aswell as that libidoooooo

 

[One Thousand Words]

I had ate prior 2 and half hours before, a 6inch subway sandwich.

That would be enough to flatten my high. I think the diet supplement and vitamin c is just a red herring. My friends and I would always go out for dinner before hitting the clubs and after many years I just learnt to avoid eating otherwise I wouldn't get any where near as high.

Next time have something small, skip dinner or have a late lunch and perhaps dose closer to 120mg and I'm sure you will have the experience you crave.

 

[blackl1ght]

That would be enough to flatten my high. I think the diet supplement and vitamin c is just a red herring. My friends and I would always go out for dinner before hitting the clubs and after many years I just learnt to avoid eating otherwise I wouldn't get any where near as high.

Next time have something small, skip dinner or have a late lunch and perhaps dose closer to 120mg and I'm sure you will have the experience you crave.

thanks for the advice next time ill be skipping dinner and eating 6 hours prior to the first cap( think that's enough time to digest?). Ive never had this happen to me yet when taking MDMA, it surely has stumped me on what it could be

also ive heard eating dark chocolate prior to rolling can increase effects, since its a slight maoi , any experience with it BL gurus?

 

[Black]

I was under the impression an acidic stomach state will "eat" away at the mdma and not allow it absorb. I did attempt to neutralize my stomach acids by having a protein shake in the morning, but i did take over 4000% DV of vitamin C the day before, never again lol my stomach did not feel good by the VitC drink.

edit: the product i take is highest seller in natural market for a couple years, im not doubting your research or disagreeing with it (thanks alot for digging into the product) but i believe it does have some t boosting properties to it (or placebo ). Im certainly very more awake and ready to go in the morning with more energy throughout the day, and lifting has gone ^, aswell as that libidoooooo

mdma is a pretty stable compound and won't be "eaten away" by stomach acid.

i'm not saying that it doesn't work (i would suspect it does, given that at least two of the ingredients do cause an increase in levels of testosterone in rats), it's rather just a word of caution. there's little to no human data in the literature for most of the ingredients. we have an infinitely better understanding of the risks of mdma and the like compared to those supplements. and with that enzyme inhibitor there could be problems when combining with a normal dose of simple otc medicines (if this particular plant is present in large enough amounts to have such an effect).