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Farage - "Legalise all drugs"

Bob Funkhouse said:
Mostly I want them legalized because I believe in personal freedom.
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This is my main reason, other than the simple fact that I enjoy taking drugs, for wanting full legalisation.

Also we can then tax drugs to fuck. Use the money to pay for any treatment or whatever for folk who end up having problems with drugs. That way "problematic" drug users are no major burden to the rest of society, as all the other drug users tax will pay to help them (& I suspect a nice bit left over for schools, nurses or champagne n shit for MPs), and no reason for anti-drug warriors to try and stop me getting a smoke.

The tax would also pay for decent drug education without the just say no shit that inevitably comes with prohibition.
 
^ That is a good doc and well worth a watch. It's fascinating how common we're hearing calls for legalisation now - not even decriminalisation (which was previously the go-to option for more sane folk). Not even just from drug-users or those who are simply very liberal-mined. it seems to be coming from all sides now. Even the staunch right are calling for change based purely on economic and criminality grounds. Admittedly it's still very much a minority opinion - in the media and probably society in general - but I suspect that is largely due to decades of WoD propaganda. I'm wondering if we're starting to see the beginning of pro-legalisation propaganda being seeded - or simply being allowed to be heard - because long-term planning is in place for some kind of end to this ridiculous "war" on consciousness. I'd like to think it is and wonder if there is some kinda planning going on somewhere or whether the legalisation lobby has just become large enough and vocal enough that it's coming through naturally.

Bob Funkhouse said:
Alright alright I agree. I actually do, but maybe decriminalization could be transition period or summit.
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The problem I have with decriminalisation is that all it does is prevent users from getting a criminal record. Obviously that's great for the users but it is a very short-sighted policy. Suggests disinterest (or lack of understanding) of the wider issues connected with prohibition. Having a record for possession can be a real problem for an individual, having violent criminals in charge of supply of the drugs that lead to that possession charge is a far larger problem for a far larger group of people - more or less everybody is affected to some degree by the latter. It just seems like a very narrow and self-centred approach favoured by people whose main concern is that they don't get a criminal record themselves and who are not overly concerned about where their drugs come from or who gets hurt along the way. That's probably the vast majority of us but it would do us all good to bear in mind just how much blood we have on our hands each time we score. Not directly, but we all support an industry prone to extreme violence. We do bear some responsibility and although there may be little or nothing (short of not buying certain drugs) to get away from that we could at least make a point of pushing for full legalisation rather than the distinctly more selfish decriminalisation option. Legalisation is the only way there's any hope of reducing - perhaps going some way towards ultimately eliminating, at the very least minimising - the more unsavoury aspects of the drug supply industry.

(i should make clear i'm not accusing you - or anybody else arguing for decriminalisation - of selfishness, just pointing out that if you think through the arguments properly it's hard to see anything good about decriminalisation in a wider sense - it's only good for the individual, not for society - worst of all possible worlds in my book as it makes an artificial separation of supply and demand allowing users to believe they have no responsibility for the latter despite being reliant upon it being in place)
 
I agree with you Shambles. I think legalisation is easier to argue for anyway. The problem with arguing for decriminalisation is that you quickly run out of arguments after saying people should be allowed to take whatever they like as it's their body/life and that people shouldn't be given criminal records for small possession charges (or "drug use is a medical not a criminal problem" but I don't really like that argument - why does it have to be a problem???)

Who actually gives a fuck about those things other than drug users themselves? And I know quite a few occasional drug users who wouldn't even really care about them either, as it would have almost no impact on their lives.
 
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Exactly. For the "average person" - non-drug using people - it's the criminality that's the problem. That and the social issues surrounding addiction. It's junkies burgling their house or robbing their kids' phones and the like. Or dealers kicking off at each other and others getting caught in the crossfire (literally or figuratively). Prohibition causes no end of societal problems far more important than whether or not a person dirties up their criminal record with a possession charge. I agree that as part of a wider debate about drug laws the decriminalisation line is a non-starter. It just doesn't go anywhere as you say, PTCH. Just reinforces the view that drug-users think of nothing beyond themselves and their own desires. I think the decriminalisation lobby is mainly the pro-cannabis people. They don't like to see cannabis thought of as a drug and like to argue it's a special case. They can also argue that there's no need for criminality in the supply chain if decriminalised because they could grow their own. Of course most don't and probably never would be growing their own and will - in many cases - be relying on those less-than-savoury supply chains. Even here in Welsh Wales we've had Vietnamese illegal immigrants (and/or human trafficked slave labour) found riddled with bullets lying in the road caught trying to escape grow-houses. Nobody want to believe they're supporting such abhorrent behaviour but many of us are whether we like it or not. Decriminalisation would not prevent this, legalisation would. Or certainly could and should.
 
I like both observations. Partime Crackhead you make an excellent point about the economics. Obviously all RC's get taxed but I suspect the vast majority of money spent on drugs in this country is on weed and cocaine. If ever there was a time to take the money out of the black market and use it to start paying some of the fucking debt then sure it's now.

Shambles, I know you talk from experience. Having a gun stuck in your face or having one of your mates turn up one night with one less finger than he had the night before are memories that tend to stay with you. Having read through your posts several times I'm kind of amazed that this subject doesn't come up more often. It's weird because even though I've seen so much of the violence first hand myself, having lived in brighton and got a little too close for comfort with the politics of how the gangs run the sea front, I too am guilty of turning a blind eye to the elephant in the room. Maybe it's because i basically just stick to RC's these days. I'm not sure.
 
I actually hadn't thought of it in terms of personal experience but yes, it would also be a factor in prior experience of being at the *ahem* sharp end of things. Was actually being all selfless and that and thinking of "society in general" but it most certainly is an issue in drug-dealing circles. At least the rougher end of them.
 
definitely agree with shanbles and ptch on this stance, i guess we can dream, or move to portugal ;-)
 
Swarm said:
I but I suspect the vast majority of money spent on drugs in this country is on weed and cocaine. If ever there was a time to take the money out of the black market and use it to start paying some of the fucking debt then sure it's now..
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It was on the news the other week that there is a heroin pandemic 'weapon of mass destruction' flooding the USA. Apperantly Mexican cartels are flooding the country with H as cheap as 6$ a bag. The police are dealing with it to an extent in urban areas, but admit that they have lost the batlle and dont stand a chance in the rural areas. I guess Heroin doesnt allways and inevitable lead to human destruction, but it often seems to.

Its hard to guess how much money is being sepnt on heroin in this country. But you are probably right that more money is being made and spent on the softer drugs like cannabis and MDMA type things. The legal highs trade must also be raking in a sizeable amount of money, the established, 'trusted' and carefull vendors have been going a long time now, and the profits they must be making must be running into the millions.
 
I wouldn't believe too much of it tho mdb - the cops will always make out they're fighting a heroin apocalypse because that way they get more funding.
 
From my point of view, being pragmatic is important. Anything that widens the gap with the 100% hardcore stand on drugs is, to some extent, good.
You have those dodgy ducht policies on cannabis, that have been used in other parts of the world as a case study to model what would happen if the hold on cannabis was loosed (that is, almost nothing appart from more people getting stoned whenever they decide to).
Shooting galleries, AKA not criminalising users, it's been a huge HR tool.

People is still afraid (to some extent I undestand) to expose themselves and their teens to a wide offer of drugs. When you see somebode evolving into a true cokehead, for example, you're glad it's not part of your familiy. But then it's better to deal with it in terms of socal intelligence than closing the local bar 'cos of a couple of self-destroying drinkers.
To some of us, we already live in a de facto legalisation. If you put together moderate use+local availability+self production+deep web+hability to stock, we do all the gear we want, and almost whe we want.
 
Ismene said:
I wouldn't believe too much of it tho mdb - the cops will always make out they're fighting a heroin apocalypse because that way they get more funding.
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This is very true and probably one of the biggest barriers between where we are now and major reform of drug laws. They will fight for their budgets and that means a lotta bullshit anti-drug propaganda and fearmongering along the way. Perhaps all this made-up terrorism stuff could come in handy as an alternative excuse for them to stick with their ever-increasing budgets and militarisations. They want their powers and their toys and they will get them - doubt it matters to them what made-up epidemic is the excuse to hang it on.

Dseta said:
When you see somebode evolving into a true cokehead, for example, you're glad it's not part of your familiy. But then it's better to deal with it in terms of socal intelligence than closing the local bar 'cos of a couple of self-destroying drinkers.
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Nice way of putting it and quite true. Much like the police lobby the pro-alcohol lobby is big and powerful - they make a lotta money off those problem-drinkers but not half as much as they do out of those who never have a problem with drink but drink fairly regularly over the years. Makes sense to focus on the relatively low number of problem drinkers (it's a high number in absolute number but still a pretty small percentage of the total number of people who use alcohol) and single them out as having issues that require treatment rather than saying nobody gets to drink because some get into difficulties. The same is true of all drugs but they don't have a rich and powerful lobby fighting their case - the entire market is simply left to violent criminals to look after which is utterly ridiculous. Not to mention horrible for society in general. Deal with the problems, don't cause bigger problems. There's be plenty in the kitty to fund both with enough change to do plenty other useful things if common sense was applied.
 
Could somebody please link me to any proper racist remarks made by Mr. Farage? I heard him being called thatall the time, but it's a word that you guys up there misuse all the time. When did he ever make a racist remark.

-Saying the country is full is not racist
-Saying citizens should be the priority when it comes to state housing and benefits is not racist
-Saying that excessive level of unskilled migration have hurt the british lower classes is not racist
-Saying the country needs to adopt a sensible immigration policy like Australia is not racist.

Saying Fuck Off We're Full, is not racist either, maybe just slightly twattish
 
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