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incest (consenting) does it bother you?

One Thousand Words said:
I would think,
1) My partner has no concept of self control when it comes to being a member of society and begin to question what other social norms they can't grasp like washing their hands after going to the toilet.
2) What sort of loser can't get a date in a population of 6 billion that they have to resort to their sibling ?
3) Should I start to worry if we have children that they would then consider child molestation one of these moral "rules" that should be ignored?
4) Remind myself to constantly check their browser history because just as murderers usually have an interest in animal abuse, incestuous humans no doubt have plenty of other sick sexual fantasies that would no doubt repulse me just as much.
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I strangely have just asked these questions - its pretty much impossible to answer. Yes I know ethical debate is one thing - but what would we actually do given this option? (reminds me of the movie 'after the dark'). Arrrgghh - shakes fist at ChipTrippyFox
 
Most families have a hierarchy of power that exists between members. I would argue that it is impossible to not have an imbalance of power between family members. Parents weld an unfair power over their children and it is rightly considered grooming if they start a sexual relationship with them. The same argument is used when you talk about people having sex with intellectually impaired partners. It is argued that mentally retarded cannot give a satisfactory informed consent, and that the able body partner is taking advantage of this. If you can have sex with your brother, why not a school teacher?

Growing up as siblings it is difficult to ignore the fact that older brothers and sisters are in the position of power, and that even as adults, these younger years may still constitute an element of grooming. Taking the obvious issues of birth defects out of the equation I would argue that as human beings we should be able to separate carnal sexual thoughts at an animal level and advance our species at the social level by accepting that positive evolution requires us to show some restraint with our sexual activities.

This is a recent example of what 3 generations of inbreeding does to your gene pool. If you read a little deeper you can see most of the final generation suffered from retardation and severe physical deformities.

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/re...iet-country-town/story-fnixwvgh-1226780575248

Morals, ethics and plain good sense may not be passed on through our genes, but that doesn't mean we do not need them for our species to evolve for the better.
 
I've never personally known of anyone having an incestual relationship, but then again, you never know. Anyway, I don't personally condone it, especially because I've been conditioned by family and society to be against it. However, if it happens between two consenting adult family members I would see it the same two gay or lesbian people in the sense that they're two consenting adults and it's their life. Live and let live.

Also, I have a much younger adult cousin and we're always so in each other's lives that sometimes people that only vaguely know us have thought that we were a couple and friends and some family members kinda suspect something. Gets kinda weird when people when people think we're a couple or when family suspects something is going on between us.
 
simplemale said:
I've never personally known of anyone having an incestual relationship, but then again, you never know. Anyway, I don't personally condone it, especially because I've been conditioned by family and society to be against it. However, if it happens between two consenting adult family members I would see it the same two gay or lesbian people in the sense that they're two consenting adults and it's their life. Live and let live.
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This is similar to how I view it. I find this subject to be very similar to how the LGBT community has been treated for the past ......forever.

Also, I have a much younger adult cousin and we're always so in each other's lives that sometimes people that only vaguely know us have thought that we were a couple and friends and some family members kinda suspect something. Gets kinda weird when people when people think we're a couple or when family suspects something is going on between us.
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I've had similar problems with my sibling. Recently an older couple started chatting (about 5 minutes) with us as if me and my sibling were married. Both of us played along because it was too weird to tell a complete stranger "Hey fuck off this is my sister!".

Putting myself in an incest's shoes, if I were to be married to my sister, and the same scenario occured, I'd probably play along just like I did before, and I would probably have the same emotions about telling this stranger that she is my sister.

Like I said. This whole thread reminds me of how the LGBT community has been treated for the past ......forever.
 
To actually answer the thread and detach from tangential discourse:
No of course it doesn't bother me. I can't tell anybody who to have consensual sex with. I'm not a cunt*.

And that is all that needs to be said on the matter.
And of course any other opinion is wrong, because of the incredibly obvious nature of my answer.

Haikuwrong
Wrong opinion is,
Wrong obviously and is,
Wrong of course yes sir.

*debatable
 
What if someone wants to have consensual sex with a 10 year old? I can think of a certain organization that thinks it's unfair to not to be able to. Allen Ginsberg was actually a member if I'm not mistaken.
 
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I can see that no one wants to touch that with a 10 foot pole, but a lot of the arguments used to defend incest could also apply to pedophilia.
 
treezy z said:
^i put them in the same category too, i think OP wants to bang his sister or something
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You're smarter than you look ;)


Admittedly I Can see how much debate could be somehow cross refference to pedophilia. The only major difference I'm going to bother with bringing up is that I'm talking about 2 adults specificaly. I respect those opinions but if it's simply going to be used to derail the thread into senseless, hopefully you'll stop before it starts.

(FYI if you read the thread, you'd know I don't have a sister)
 
ChipTrippyFox said:
Admittedly I Can see how much debate could be somehow cross refference to pedophilia. The only major difference I'm going to bother with bringing up is that I'm talking about 2 adults specificaly.
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What makes someone an adult tho? A number that the government says is ok? People reach sexual maturity quite a few years before 18.
 
One Thousand Words said:
So a father fucking their 21 yr old daughter is ok with you?
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If you can't figure the answer out yourself then why are you even here xD
It's not somthing that specificaly turns me on but I don't think it's "wrong" if no baby making is involved and it's fully consentual.

And nutty, to answer your question first you have to understand what pedophilia really is.
Of course humans reach "sexual maturity" before 18. But what constitutes a pedophile is the sexual attraction to to a PREPUBESCENT child.
That being said also, there is also the undeniable factor that despite being physicaly sexual mature after puberty (~13 years) there is still alot of psychological maturing to do. You could fuck any 14 year old and not technicaly be a pedophile, but it is still unlawful for a reason. That being; the teenager is not fully equipped to make rational life choices. If a 20 year old and a 14 year old have sex; it is considered wrong on part that the 20 year old is expected to hold the responsibility of Understanding that an active sex life is typically not in their best interest.
6 years later if the now 20 year old and the 26 year old had a sexual relationship together.. that's alot different.
If a 21 year old and a 40 year old are having sex.. are you going to say they can't? They are consenting adults.sure it may be a huge turnoff but you can't say it's "wrong"

So under This principle once again (for the kabillionth time) i belive 2 consenting adults may hold ANY relationship they please
 
ChipTrippyFox said:
If a 20 year old and a 14 year old have sex; it is considered wrong on part that the 20 year old is expected to hold the responsibility of Understanding that an active sex life is typically not in their best interest.
6 years later if the now 20 year old and the 26 year old had a sexual relationship together.. that's alot different.
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Who decides if it's in the 14 year old's best interest or not and how do they come to that decision? There's some 14 year olds that are probably more mentally mature than a lot of 20 year olds.

ChipTrippyFox said:
So under This principle once again (for the kabillionth time) i belive 2 consenting adults may hold ANY relationship they please
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But you still haven't drawn a clear line at all of what you consider to be consenting adults so I'm not sure why you would say for the "kabillionth time". As far as I'm concerned you haven't even answered the question.
 
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nuttynutskin said:
Who decides if it's in the 14 year old's best interest or not and how do they come to that decision? There's some 14 year olds that are probably more mentally mature than a lot of 20 year olds.



But you still haven't drawn a clear line at all of what you consider to be consenting adults so I'm not sure why you would say for the "kabillionth time". As far as I'm concerned you haven't even answered the question.
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just cause I haven't answered the way you want me to, doesn't mean I haven't answered.

feel free to re read all my posts in this thread, I don't care to explain that consent basicly means neither is manipulated or forced into the sexual encounter.

wait... I just did .

kabillion and 1

Nyack nyack
 
ChipTrippyFox said:
If you can't figure the answer out yourself then why are you even here xD
It's not somthing that specificaly turns me on but I don't think it's "wrong" if no baby making is involved and it's fully consentual.

And nutty, to answer your question first you have to understand what pedophilia really is.
Of course humans reach "sexual maturity" before 18. But what constitutes a pedophile is the sexual attraction to to a PREPUBESCENT child.
That being said also, there is also the undeniable factor that despite being physicaly sexual mature after puberty (~13 years) there is still alot of psychological maturing to do. You could fuck any 14 year old and not technicaly be a pedophile, but it is still unlawful for a reason. That being; the teenager is not fully equipped to make rational life choices. If a 20 year old and a 14 year old have sex; it is considered wrong on part that the 20 year old is expected to hold the responsibility of Understanding that an active sex life is typically not in their best interest.
6 years later if the now 20 year old and the 26 year old had a sexual relationship together.. that's alot different.
If a 21 year old and a 40 year old are having sex.. are you going to say they can't? They are consenting adults.sure it may be a huge turnoff but you can't say it's "wrong"

So under This principle once again (for the kabillionth time) i belive 2 consenting adults may hold ANY relationship they please
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You are ignoring the fact that a father could groom their daughter for 20 odd years and then at age 21 it is suddenly ok to fuck them? It doesn't matter what her age, if her up bringing has prejudiced her emotional maturity, she is in no way able to give consent. Parents have an extremely powerful privilege to mould their children's minds. Racist and extreme religious beliefs are often never the fault of the child rather result from their parents twisted views being passed on. I'd argue for this same reason it is impossible for any child no matter what their age to have a non bias consent towards their parents because parenting by its nature is never impartial.
 
One Thousand Words said:
You are ignoring the fact that a father could groom their daughter for 20 odd years and then at age 21 it is suddenly ok to fuck them? It doesn't matter what her age, if her up bringing has prejudiced her emotional maturity, she is in no way able to give consent. Parents have an extremely powerful privilege to mould their children's minds. Racist and extreme religious beliefs are often never the fault of the child rather result from their parents twisted views being passed on. I'd argue for this same reason it is impossible for any child no matter what their age to have a non bias consent towards their parents because parenting by its nature is never impartial.
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I think your confirming what I have said previously. As an immediate family member its literally impossible to say that 'one' of the partners did not have some sexual intent with the other one and somehow groom them into thinking fucking is ok.

However ... If say you visited a family member (aunt / uncle) each week and from day one you noticed a bond - this bond turned into you both hooking up fucking etc then this is different but can you say the bond you felt was simply because they were cute or because they were taboo ?
 
Well first off the age of consent isn't 21, it's 18 and sometimes lower in other countries.
Also you seem to be assuming that the father or older person is always the initiator. What if the daughter started first?
I'm not neglecting any fact here. In fact if anything, you are assuming many things about my train of thought that aren't true.

There is alot of psychology behind this topic; this much is easy to see for those who actualy partake in civil discussion.
 
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