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Opioids opiate naive? and new to methadone

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hankyman

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Hi,

I've dabbled in heroin on and off for a couple of years (smoking) and have been on and off subutex at 8mg daily during this period. I haven't had any subutex for 3 weeks, and have only smoked about 0.5g of heroin about 7 days ago in the same 3 week period. Am I now opiate naive?

The reason why I ask is because I have just been given 300ml (300mg) of methadone and am wondering if this is a lot to take? I haven't had any experience with methadone.

Any advice about how much meth would be about right for a nice high?

Thanks.
 
Once you've used opioids you are never again opiate naive.

300mg of methadone is enough for like, probably 50-60 doses. A pretty typical starting dose is between 5 and 10mg of methadone for someone without much of a tolerance. People with serious tolerances (multiple grams a day of heroin) usually get up to 80-100mg with chronic usage if they're in a treatment program, but that's a pretty huge habit.

Be very careful. Methadone can take up to 3-4 hours to reach peak effects, so don't get too hasty or you'll hurt yourself. Always start small.
 
Really, 5 to 10 mg to start with? Looking at bluelight's opioid conversion chart says 300ml of meth is equivalent to around 0.2g of pure heroin. I regularly used to smoke over a gram of street heroin daily with absolutely no problems, never even really nodded - even though it was pretty good gear.

I was going to have about 100mg of meth and see how I got on from there.
 
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I wouldn't start off with 100mg... you say you are on and were on 8mg of Subtex? You have had a heroin habit. I think 8mg of Subtex is 30-40mg of methadone(to keep you well physically) soo I would start off with 30mg WAIT 2-3 hours before dosing again. Now if you haven't had neither the subtex or heroin in a while you should be okay with 30 but you might wanna drop it down a little bit. 100mg seems like way too much! Start slow and work your way up with Methadone! When I was younger and dumber I took 30mg while my only other experince was with 40mg of hydrocodone every now and again..very shallow breathing and just felt sleepy,not in a good way, like a I think I'm gonna die way..
 
Jesus you're wondering if after 3 weeks of no opiates all together you can take 300mg's of methadone? Are you serious? Even for people with huge opiate habits, 300mg's of methadone is 3x the normal dose they would need. That's insane. Even for you to start off at 100mg's is crazy. That's a dose people with heavy IV heroin habits work up to after a couple weeks of being on methadone.

If you have a low opiate tolerance right now, which you do clearly from not using for almost a month, start with 20mg's of methadone and wait 2 hours. If you feel like you can handle more, take another 10.
 
Since BL is all about harm reduction, the suggestions you will be given will be to start small and slowly work your way up. I don't even think anyone would be given 300mg of methadone as a theraputic dose.
 
If you take 300mg of methadone then you will die.

I would follow Mr. Scag's advice entirely. Methadone isn't a drug to be taken lightly because it can and will take your life a lot easier than the majority of other opiates.
 
Really, 5 to 10 mg to start with? Looking at bluelight's opioid conversion chart says 300ml of meth is equivalent to around 0.2g of pure heroin. I regularly used to smoke over a gram of street heroin daily with absolutely no problems, never even really nodded - even though it was pretty good gear.
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A couple of factors work against you:
1. Opioid conversion charts are usually equianalgesic doses (doses that provide equal levels of pain relief), and can't be relied on to judge "euphoric doses".
2. Methadone is also a NMDA antagonist so has additional potentiating effects.
3. Street heroin is never pure, and smoking it destroys some fraction of that dose, so the actual amount of opioid that you get could be quite small. You're also not taking it all in one dose, it's spread over the day. If you were doing 200mg of pure heroin IV-equivalent, that would probably be 2-4 grams smoked 33% purity street heroin per dose. If you take oral methadone essentially all of the dose is going to be absorbed, all in the span of 2-3 hours, so you want to lowball it rather than overshoot.
4. Methadone sticks around in the body for days, so dealing with a methadone OD is much harder than heroin, which wears off in a few hours. If you overshoot the dose ceiling with methadone then you'll have to be on a naloxone drip.
5. If you're not using opioids on a regular basis, your tolerance is going down, and it's hard to judge by how much.
 
I took 20mg, 10mg pill form, about 40 hours ago. Guy I work with gave them to me, no instructions. I took them about two hours before we got off work. Back in the day I took 16 hydro 10's a day, every day, for over a year but I haven't done them regularly since 2003, and I haven't done them at all for about 6 months when I got 20 5's for a toothache and took them all in a day since I have no effing self control lol.
Anyway, I had no idea how long it would take to kick in. I assumed around 45minutes to an hour and a half like anything else, I was wrong.
He gave me two more when we got off work. I almost took them right then because I wasn't feeling much but I decided to wait until after I got home because it was my night off and I wanted to enjoy them.
They hit me on the drive home, pretty hard. I got pretty dang high, pretty fast, this was about 2 1/2 hours after I took them.
Got online when I got home and googled "methadone first time use dosage", found this site, and saw how lucky I was I hadn't taken the full 40 when I didn't feel it coming on right away.
Long story short, I tried to go to bed about 7 hours after taking the 20mg and couldn't sleep, I had the opiate floaties as if I'd taken 60mg of Hydros. I laid there in and out of opiate dreams and itching like a mofo for about 7 hours. Got up still feeling high. Enjoyable ride other than the slight nausea I had when the buzz first came on but it was at least 24 hours before I felt mostly down.
My suggestion as a lifelong addict of just about anything I could get my hands on is don't mess around with this stuff, you're better off scoring some Hydros or Oxys. It's been 40 hours and I'm very nervous about taking 20mg more. Think I'm just going to take 10mg and save the other one for a rainy day. My ex wife has od'd on this stuff 3 times that I know of, and now I know why. In a sick way, part of the reason I took it was to see if she was lying to me when she said, "It doesn't even get you high."
Namaste! Be careful.
 
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a homeless i know takes 80 mg a day but he's been a polysubstance abuser for 30 years, especially heroin. so yeah definetely don't take 100 mg. I'd say start with 15-20 mg if you have some tolerance and then work your way up
it also takes 2+ hours to kick in so don't redose before atleast 2-3 hours
 
After reading posts, I took 30ml, waited for a couple of hours. Felt very little so had another 30ml. 2 hours later still very little effect. Another 30ml and waited again.

Anyway, long story short, I've had about 250ml and finally am starting to get a nice buzz. Will keep you updated...

Oh, forgot to mention, have had a couple of glasses of wine to increase the effect, which works brilliantly.
 
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Hi Brutus,

Have done some research, and no way is 300mg definitely going to kill someone who has experience with opiates. I've had about 250ml over the last 12 hours and am only just starting to feel a nice, warm buzz, but that's all. Thanks for the reply anyway.

Hankyman.... :)
 
hankyman said:
Hi Brutus,

Have done some research, and no way is 300mg definitely going to kill someone who has experience with opiates. I've had about 250ml over the last 12 hours and am only just starting to feel a nice, warm buzz, but that's all. Thanks for the reply anyway.

Hankyman.... :)
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*facepalm city

Have you not read through this thread? I hope you have someone with you, your cocksuredness could be your downfall, possibly within hours....Even for someone with a huge baseline opiate tolerance, that's an unpredictable, very stupid amount to just up and take! Annnd, you spread it out...so who knows, I genuinely hope you wake up tomorrow morning!
 
Wow OP. Do you realise how dangerous taking 250ml without a tolerance is? Everyone here told you 30-40ml would suffice. Like bluehues said I really hope you have someone with you cause you really could be in some hot water..
 
From what I've heard, it's not unusual with liquid methadone for people to rip you off by diluting it with more cherry koolaid or whatever. Just another reason to go slow on the methadone dosing.
 
Also using methadone for an extended period of time...especially for someone who has already been physically dependent on opiates will result in horrible w/d...and casually switching from methadone back to suboxone isn't easy. One of the hardest switches of all. Be careful..stay on low doses!!: )
 
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From what I've heard, it's not unusual with liquid methadone for people to rip you off by diluting it with more cherry koolaid or whatever. Just another reason to go slow on the methadone dosing.
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That's true IME, it's a very potent drug, and diluting it is a fairly common practice....

I have a friend who died from methadone and carisprodol about a year ago....It's one that can kill without being mixed, but becomes much more dangerous when combined with one of any number of things. The half-life is so long, it's difficult to judge when you're out of the woods...

It's not uncommon for people to fall asleep only to never wake up, even several hours after taking it....People will take it, think it's no longer affecting them, take a few pills and a little more methadone, watch a movie, go to bed 3 hours later and die in their sleep...It's much sneakier and hard to gauge than a heroin OD...
 
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