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DMT as my first psychedelic with friends.

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KMC1

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I want to experience psychedelics, however I do not want to experience the 8-hour long trip that the use of LSD results in. A couple of friends are in the same position and may be interested in trying DMT with me.

I have been reading about DMT and peoples experiences with this substance. The main appeals to me are the very short duration, and what people have reported experiencing, I want to know what an out of body experience is like, having no awareness of my existence.

Based on my research into DMT, I believe the following to be good practice for harm reduction, correct me if I am wrong?

Fasting from mid day onwards, small lunch such as some sandwiches or pasta and crisps/chips. Water only throughout the day to drink.
No drugs at all will be consumed at any point in the day we plan to trip. (we are all cannabis users and have used MDMA before)
Only one person would smoke at a time, comfortably seated and with two sober sitters in the room at all times. Next persons turn only when the tripper has came back around.
Starting on a small dose, but one that will allow us to feel the effects of DMT. I was thinking 10MG would be about right as according to Erowid, considering we have never used psychedelics. I have a cheap set of 0.01g scales for measuring, which are calibrated.
When we have all smoked, decide on whether to go again, increasing dosage.


Thoughts on this? Any information that I should know from experienced users of psychedelics?
 
10mg won't be enough for a breakthrough/out of body experience. I'd say 15-20mg is best even though that also won't be enough for an out of body experience, however it would be a good dose to get a feel for the psychedelic experience while being fairly manageable.
Dmt may seem very intimidating, especially to someone with no psychedelic experience, it is a very powerful substance
However there are many people who have used it as their first psychedelic and very much enjoyed it.

EDIT: I would also recommend you be laying down when you do it, even sitting upright could become a challenge and if you get too high you might fall over, having to use any muscles at all on dmt feels very uncomfortable to me, even as little as lifting an arm when I'm laying down.
 
I have little to no experience with DMT (failed ayahuasca); however my first psychedelic was LSD, and I can tell you I don't regret it. One might even find DMT to be too strong when they've never tripped before from what I can tell. The duration in 'real time' of the trip may be only 5 minutes, but the duration of the trip very well might last into the infinite. Psychs destroy your ability to recognize the self at their peak, and that's what's appealing about them, and without the self, there is no time. I can understand why you'd want shorter duration though, since you have to have a proper place to trip on LSD (by the way, in all my acid experience, 8 hours still isn't enough for a full comedown, it's more like 12 hours, then waiting till you can pass out 6-8 hours after that lol. Nbome chems are more similar to 8 hours in full duration, in my experience.) By all means, make your own decision though; many people I know have started with different psychs, ranging from DXM, to LSD, to HBWR seeds.

Essentially, you look like you've got most everything laid out effectively. Definitely realize that DMT won't be social at all. You'll be in your own world under its influence.
 
240sxLover said:
Essentially, you look like you've got most everything laid out effectively. Definitely realize that DMT won't be social at all. You'll be in your own world under its influence.
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Yes, this is one thing that interests me. Would this be complete dissociation?
 
KMC1 said:
Yes, this is one thing that interests me. Would this be complete dissociation?
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No, dissociatives and psychs are different; ego loss isn't dissociation, it is simply the inability to know the self. It's hard to explain.

Imagine that all of a sudden, you're a new born baby, or a toddler. Remember how curious everything seemed to you? How you couldn't express feelings because you hadn't learned the words? Remember how it seemed like playing make believe with your siblings was so fun, even though now it seems silly? That's what ego loss is. It resets your accumulated knowledge of the world. You suddenly can't understand why certain things like words have meaning. I've heard it related that DMT is like loading a cannon full of the universe, aiming it at your brain, and firing. You likely won't even be able to compute just all the things you see/feel. Don't worry though, it will return to you soon enough.

Ego loss isn't like leaving your body; you're still in your body, but things around you suddenly lose familiarity.

Dissociation is like when you actually leave your body, from what I can tell. Essentially, cutting off contact with your body. Losing the ego is more like losing your ability to understand anything, and in the same way it allows to to understand everything for the first time in your life.
 
To OP, I don't think its a good idea. This is a complex thought, but, atleast for me, the reason DMT is usually considered to need experience for, is because of the integration period. Also, the cognitive dissonance from the short duration.
Just in my opinion, safe.conditions are not as important as having altered your reality, then found a stable one for u that u rebuilt, getting used to the process with other psycs before.
 
KMC1, If you break through on DMT there's a very high likely hood of you blacking out and not remembering a thing. Happens to a lot of people. You just come back, and "woa, that was wierd, but I don't remember what happened"

Also, DMT isn't really that suited as a first psychedelic. I'd recommend something like mushrooms.

You should look into changa, if you can get some of that. It's like DMT lite, and a lot of people actually get much more out of the experience.

A break through dose of DMT is 50+ mg, unless it's extremely pure. And even more important is the smoking technique, which isn't easy to get right with DMT because a break through dose is a lot of smoke to get in your lungs at once.

You should read up on the machine, if you decide to push on for a DMT break through.
 
KMC1 said:
Thoughts on this? Any information that I should know from experienced users of psychedelics?
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sounds like a good plan, except for the out-of-body experience. such a thing is intense and not necessarily a good introduction! there also is no need to fast.

i have introduced people to psychedelics that way (sub breakthrough doses) and they definitely enjoyed it. but be aware that while dmt is very visual, at low doses it doesn't give you a "full" experience. you'll be very clearheaded and when compared to how engaging lsd is, dmt can be more like watching a psychedelic movie in comparison. still, i'm convinced that it's a great introduction and it certainly helps you decide if you want to dive in for a full length trip.
 
Ok so I'm still interested in a 'sub-breakthrough' dose of DMT, but I am also now considering a gram or two of psilocybin mushroom because the duration is still significantly shorter than LSD.

I just need to find an ideal time.
 
I would advise against DMT for a first time psych user. I am just building myself up to it after LSD and mushroom use. Start with some shrooms, they are nice, giving you healthy visuals. Depending on where you are in the world a trip to Holland might be an idea to do truffles, which are extremley similar to shrooms and legal to consume!
 
1200ug said:
I would advise against DMT for a first time psych user. I am just building myself up to it after LSD and mushroom use. Start with some shrooms, they are nice, giving you healthy visuals. Depending on where you are in the world a trip to Holland might be an idea to do truffles, which are extremley similar to shrooms and legal to consume!
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I was in Holland a few months ago and a friend brought truffles, we never got to try them though as we were on cannabis most of the time, and did not want this for a first trip as we didn't know what effects this combo might have, didn't know much about the truffles either. We look back and feel stupid for not just using them. Waste of 20 euros but oh well.

Early next month; hoping to get a few grams of shrooms and do a gram or so. Me, 1 friend, sober sitter who has read up on what to expect (family, non drug user)
 
So what exactly is it that makes the truffles legal there? Are they free from psilocybin?
 
No they contain psilocybin and psilocin just like psilocybe mushroom strains.
They are technically not mushrooms so I believe that probably has to do with the loophole around the law
 
I know a person who used DMT as their first psychedelic. Personally I actually really like 10mg doses, I like to go out on my deck (I live in a forest in the mountains) and smoke 10mg and watch everything, it's a beautiful experience but not overwhelming. However it lasts SUCH a short time. Honestly I think your best bet is to either find one of the "lower-level" research chemicals like 2C-B, or else take like 2 grams of mushrooms. 1 gram of mushrooms won't even be a trip, just a halfway state that may feel very odd. 2 grams should provide a trip of some sort, though not likely a full trip (which is fine for your first time). Then again, the first time I ate a psychedelic was mushrooms, and they were very good ones. I had the most spiritual and significant and wonderful trip of my life (not the most powerful though).
 
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