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Do you mean a mobile phone with Internet access Allein? Hahahahahahahahahaha. Er, no. Just call me Brontosauras.

And....thx muchly Mrs Allein. <3
 
StoneHappyMonday said:
Is it server busy? or is it just me?
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I've had no server issues but has been a very slow day today for whatever reason. Just not many new posts compared to usual. Or could be intermittent server issues I've somehow missed each time I check in.

Eveleivibe said:
Having to visit the doc who gives me suboxone in April n I need some encouragement to decrease my sub down to 10mg from 12mg. Because I've been on it a year now n well I don't think they want you on it forever do they. You're the best lot to discuss this with I've talked on the suboxone thread but you lot understand the services. If I keep not reducing will they strike me off?
Will I start craving again?
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It will depend very much on your doctor and any support workers you see who report on progress. Also varies around the country - there's not really any consistent policy as far as I'm aware. Sooner or later you will be expected to taper and quit though. I've heard of people being heavily pressured to quit but it seems to be rare. Much more common is encouragement and flexibility.

In all honesty, I seriously doubt you'd even notice dropping from 12mg to 10mg. I used to switch from 12mg to 8mg per day frequently depending on how much I actually needed it (plus handy to have a lil slush fund for emergencies... like being kicked off your script with no warning 8)). Never felt significant problems in dropping that much - it's when you get down low that you start to really feel the differences and ideally need to taper much more slowly and cautiously. Whilst still at the higher end of the dose range there's very little difference and you rapidly adjust to new dose regime.

You shouldn't experience any significant cravings. Would be surprised if you had any at all actually. When I did my crash taper last week I didn't actually crave at any stage - not even whilst in actual w/d. Did want to get rid of annoying w/d effects but didn't crave opiates for themselves (had/have morphine around but not touched it in months). This is, after all, the point of bupe treatment. You switch your addiction from whatever opi you happen to be addicted to over to bupe which has a somewhat different chemical make-up to other opioids in that it's a mixed agonist/antagonist. Theory being you're far less likely to crave something as self-limiting. I've always found that to be the case anyway.

I'd go for the drop if I were at a stage where I felt ready to be thinking about tapering at some future point. If the thought of being without a script at all is still utterly inconceivable to you it may not be time yet (although I truly do believe you'll not notice any difference at all with such a minor drop). Most docs will also be fine with somebody trying out a lower dose then going back to the higher one if they're experiencing significant problems on the lower one. As I said, I can't see that you would experience even minor problems - 10mg is still a pretty high dose of bupe.

You do seem to still be quite caught up with thinking about codeine which perhaps suggests you're not ready for a full-on taper yet but it may actually help you to realise you don't need codeine (or indeed bupe) forever if you successfully make a drop in dose. Doesn't mean you have to continue dropping straight away - adjust to the new dose and see how you feel. The less you have in your system the less your body needs it and the less tied to a script you feel. If you stay on the same dose not much changes once you've finished adapting from a full-agonist to a partial one.
 
StoneHappyMonday said:
Shammy, because I know you are reading, I WILL reply, because that deserved a proper reply, once I can be sure it won't be in vain with the server busy stuff. Sigh. (Hits post reply ten times)
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No problem. There's a fair chance I'll be a bit thin on the ground for a couple days after today anyway so no hurry. Hope server woes get sorted soon - couldn't be summat local to you could it? I know I've had problems in the past purely because there was work being done somewhere locally which made connection iffy for a few days but only in the immediate local area (fairly immediate anyway).
 
curious_24 said:
Haha, MDPV order been dispatched Shammy? (Just kidding)
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Despatched Tuesday. (Not kidding)

Only a half gramme though so only a scant weekender. Actually has some tactical reasoning behind it too... although I am well aware of the range of excuses that suddenly seem to be reasons at times. I'm going with about 50/50 tactical/fiendery.

Also, really is quiet around here today server issues or not. Do y'all have lives or summat?!? 8o
 
if I reduce to 10mg will I be on that for awhile or will they make me drop completely then?
I'm kinda a bit scared now.
I'll do it because I think they want me to but I have to reduce really quick I'm not sure.
Everyone moans round here that they keep people on scripts for ages and don't seem to bother about people coming off them but I've never been on a script before. I started subs May 23. Kind of scared.
Wish there was never any change n things could stay the same n be safe. I know that's impossible n silly to think that way but still change makes me feel anxious.
I don't want to feel those angry resentful lonely bitter feelings that I felt before I got addicted to codeine n I'm scared I will.

Why did I dream that I was using codeine last night n that I was hiding it under my bed?????
And some weird video about drugs????????

Tired of feeling like I don't belong n like I'm on the outside, just want some friends n to feel happy without feeling anxious about things. Is it really so much to ask????

Kind of wishing I hadn't got banned from the other recovery places now. I really could do with them.
 
I dream about drugs when I want/need them. You'll be ok. Feel the same myself re: your second to last paragraph. Been trying to stay away from here cos it just makes me want to get back boshing benzos but at the same time it helps to know other people are going through the same and are managing it, or at least have the same concerns, or have been through the same and come out fine. I'm scared too, but I'll be ok, and so will you.
 
Eveleivibe said:
Why did I dream that I was using codeine last night n that I was hiding it under my bed?????
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Erm... Hiding a problem maybe? The codeine masking something that you are not facing?


I don't want to go back to how life was before I started codeine. I was lonely, bitter, miserable, jealous sitting on Facebook day after day watching all my old friends going for nights out not wanting to know me know I'm a single mother.
And constant anxiety for the future.
With codeine I felt calm, like I could do anything, not anxious anymore.
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Do you feel that you cannot face all this again? Is there no way to think positively?
 
Nope, no life here, just not able to post much when I'm at work. And have mainly been wallowing in some sort of depression (dunno why) this week so I'm not masses of fun. Will probably be back spamming at the weekend.
 
Eveleivibe said:
if I reduce to 10mg will I be on that for awhile or will they make me drop completely then?
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There's no reason why they should or would. Your best bet is to discuss it properly with your doc. Explain to him/her your concerns and maybe ask if you can try 10mg for a month - even a fortnight - and see how you get along. It is true that the government has been pushing drug service providers to get people off scripts ASAP. However, most DSPs likely know better - it simply doesn't work and just means the same people bounce back and forth between street drugs and treatment over and over. The only person who can really tell you is your doctor though - speak to them, explain your concerns, remember that you do get a say in your treatment. Maybe not ultimate say but I've never come across a doc who was completely unreasonable - they're generally open to discussion and working with patients.

Honestly, it's nothing to be scared of. Dropping 2mg from 12mg is such a tiny difference you will not notice a change at all. You just have one less pill to dissolve, you won't feel the slightest bit different. When I last tapered bupe with supervision (ie did it properly) the docs and advisers were actually encouraging me to take it more slowly cos I was a bit keen. I kinda wish I'd listened cos do think I'd've done better if I'd stabilised a bit better before quitting. They really don't force people to do anything in my experience - they mostly allow the patient to decide and simply advise whether they agree or not. Yes they do have ultimate say but it rarely comes to that - certainly not if you're doing all the things you're supposed to do in terms of attending appointments, giving clean samples and so on.

It really is nothing to worry about :)<3

swampdragon said:
Nope, no life here, just not able to post much when I'm at work. And have mainly been wallowing in some sort of depression (dunno why) this week so I'm not masses of fun. Will probably be back spamming at the weekend.
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Will look forward to a less depressy, more spammy Swampy livening up the place a bit over the weekend then :)
 
Good evening fine folk of EADD :) - I hope your day has gone well. I've had a much calmer one than yesterday - was going to say, haven't fisted him yet but that might be misunderstood :D
 
swampdragon said:
Nope, no life here, just not able to post much when I'm at work. And have mainly been wallowing in some sort of depression (dunno why) this week so I'm not masses of fun. Will probably be back spamming at the weekend.
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:( :( xxx
 
Just stumbled across some old pictures of myself pre drugs, or more so prior to being an addict. I didn't think I'd changed that much but fuckkk, I looked so much healthier back then.
Anyone else done the same?
 
SproutOnSmack said:
Just stumbled across some old pictures of myself pre drugs, or more so prior to being an addict. I didn't think I'd changed that much but fuckkk, I looked so much healthier back then.
Anyone else done the same?
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I've always looked hansom as fek :D

In truth, being proper old an all, I've gone through many looks fortunately the worst were pre-digital camera so evidence is limited.

I've been much thinner and much fatter than I am today, I looked fairly burnt out and wasted in my 20's and nothing much has changed ;)
 
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