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^ me too, but I can't look away...

Chlorobutanol is not a barbiturate. Barbiturates are derivates of barbituric acid. Look them both up and consider how they do not look alike.
These are both blunt and dirty old school sedatives though. Barbiturates are a bit more sophisticated, they are one or two generations later than stuff like chloral hydrate.

I thought we already established that jamming chloroform onto a molecule (that isn't even psychoactive to begin with) does not magically lend it psychoactive properties just because it happens to be the case with chlorobutanol synthed from acetone. Chlorobutanol is psychoactive because it has a structure that allows it to be so (this is related to what is just said about a pharmacophore - I told you earlier: start from something you have reason - one you can explain, not a gut feeling FFS - to believe or know to be psychoactive. If not, it deserves to be ignored). Chloroform is not psychoactive because of something nucleophilic addition with chloroform does universally.
People have also already told you that joining a DMT or mescaline molecule onto another molecule is not a way to lend it psychoactivity, this is the same thing. You don't seem to be getting the hint for someone with that much ambition.

Also there can be several problems with nucleophilic addition of chloroform to damascone if I am not mistaken. The chloroformic anion might also bind with the left double bound cyclohexene carbon if a conjugate is formed trough the terpene pi system.
Put simply: there are side-reactions to consider when designing a synth reaction or strategy. The amount of oversimplification is staggering and indirectly an insult to chemists.

This compound is a far way from being an opiate and closing rings really isn't as easy as you would make it out to be.

It wouldn't be such a bitch to help you if you were being a bit more modest and realistic.
 
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I am VERY unlearned in organic chemistry, my "expertise" from the past (if you can call it that) is more on that "taking and comparing" side of drugs.

That makes you about as qualified to design drugs as a dude that flies in lots of different airliners as a passenger is qualified to design stealth bombers.

But unless we can Isomerize this stuff, or Decarboxalyze it, or whatever. All I know that is possible is to attach it to a Chloroform [...] So, unless someone has made this molecule before, I invented the first Drug (probably active because of the Chloroform) from Rose essence.

Excellenty job throwing words around without knowing what they mean. By the by, I don't think you've "made" anything yet, you've just posted on a forum a whole bunch. There is also no guarantee at all that the chloroform addition product of higher ketones would be either druglike or even nontoxic. And the fact remains, damascone is not the same thing as acetone... most organic chemists would tell you that damascones are "alpha, beta unsaturated ketones" whereas acetone is just a simple ketone, so they react differently. Like Solipsis said: There's no guarantee that chloroform would even add. You may end up with a bunch of tar, or the damascone falling apart on you...

And correct me if I am wrong, but does this not look like with a few rings completed (either side of the Cl's, plus a few tiny additions) it could be an opiate?

Considering it is neither related to a compound that has opioid activity and doesn't fit the "Morphine Rule", I'm going to say no, you don't know what you're talking about.
 
^ me too, but I can't look away...

Chlorobutanol is not a barbiturate. Barbiturates are derivates of barbituric acid. Look them both up and consider how they do not look alike.
These are both blunt and dirty old school sedatives though. Barbiturates are a bit more sophisticated, they are one or two generations later than stuff like chloral hydrate.

I thought we already established that jamming chloroform onto a molecule (that isn't even psychoactive to begin with) does not magically lend it psychoactive properties just because it happens to be the case with chlorobutanol synthed from acetone. Chlorobutanol is psychoactive because it has a structure that allows it to be so (this is related to what is just said about a pharmacophore - I told you earlier: start from something you have reason - one you can explain, not a gut feeling FFS - to believe or know to be psychoactive. If not, it deserves to be ignored). Chloroform is not psychoactive because of something nucleophilic addition with chloroform does universally.
People have also already told you that joining a DMT or mescaline molecule onto another molecule is not a way to lend it psychoactivity, this is the same thing. You don't seem to be getting the hint for someone with that much ambition.

Also there can be several problems with nucleophilic addition of chloroform to damascone if I am not mistaken. The chloroformic anion might also bind with the left double bound cyclohexene carbon if a conjugate is formed trough the terpene pi system.
Put simply: there are side-reactions to consider when designing a synth reaction or strategy. The amount of oversimplification is staggering and indirectly an insult to chemists.

This compound is a far way from being an opiate and closing rings really isn't as easy as you would make it out to be.

It wouldn't be such a bitch to help you if you were being a bit more modest and realistic.


I never said that there was a guraentee, and I was just guessing at Chlorobutanols family based on its effects and time period of public popularity.

Again, I said these compounds would be aromatic and that most of them would be inactive.

If you are insulted, it's your own problem.

Excellenty job throwing words around without knowing what they mean.

I know what removing carbon and changing magnetic structure are, ass. And I can tell you how to utilize them with different molecules (THC, Tryptophan and Morphine)

That makes you about as qualified to design drugs as a dude that flies in lots of different airliners as a passenger is qualified to design stealth bombers.
Well, get ready for some stealth bombers, because I will be a designer soon.
 
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no one is trying to get offensive on either side, shaggy... but you really are trying to jump into the deep end of the pool before you've even learned to swim.

i admire your passion and zeal, though

trying to think of another good analogy.... its like you're trying to build the roof on a house before you've even laid the foundation.

small steps, broseph.... you're not going to stumble on the next big chemical discovery before you even understand what "beta position" means, and that it means different things on different molecules.
 
no one is trying to get offensive on either side, shaggy... but you really are trying to jump into the deep end of the pool before you've even learned to swim.

i admire your passion and zeal, though

trying to think of another good analogy.... its like you're trying to build the roof on a house before you've even laid the foundation.

small steps, broseph.... you're not going to stumble on the next big chemical discovery before you even understand what "beta position" means, and that it means different things on different molecules.

Again, I do not care if I make anything that gets anyone high. This is HOW I learn.
I am a very hands on learner.

And if I make some new fragrances, I will be happy. And other people that are smarter than me can take it from there when they read about it in 10 years.
 
Again, I do not care if I make anything that gets anyone high.

you must have changed your mind then, because you very much were talking about psychoactive effects in the last couple pages.

you've got good drive and zest, man, i just worry that you're wasting your efforts by spreading yourself too thin.

are you in school? if not, i think you should be. you've definitely got the motivation for it.
 
you must have changed your mind then, because you very much were talking about psychoactive effects in the last couple pages.

you've got good drive and zest, man, i just worry that you're wasting your efforts by spreading yourself too thin.

are you in school? if not, i think you should be. you've definitely got the motivation for it.

That is because I plan on attaching L-DOPA and 5-HTP, etc molecules to it, and I assume that at that point we will start seeing some new effects. Maybe not, but I would say probably.

No money for school, but I read a lot of textbooks. Usually not chemistry, Pihkal and Tihkal have been my chemistry textbooks until now.
 
its not so hard finding money to go to school, depending on where you live. if there's a local community college near you, you should make an appointment to talk to the financial aid office. they'll be more than willing to help you figure out what your options for funding are.
 
its not so hard finding money to go to school, depending on where you live. if there's a local community college near you, you should make an appointment to talk to the financial aid office. they'll be more than willing to help you figure out what your options for funding are.

I do not want to go to community college, I learn plenty, I'd rather sit and read textbooks. I would rather go to like Yale or Harvard when I'm like 30-35.
 
don't put the cart before the horse

the longest journey starts with a single step

you may think you're learning plenty, but without proper direction you will end up spreading yourself too thin

earlier in this thread you got upset when people told you the things you were saying were incorrect, and your response was "i don't have an organic chemistry schooling background like you guys"

well, thats something you can fix.

if money is an issue, it makes a lot more sense to start out at a community college, get your 2-year associates degree, then transfer to a larger school (perhaps Yale or Harvard like you said). if you get good grades on your associates then it becomes a LOT easier to find the funding for a more expensive school.
 
earlier in this thread you got upset when people told you the things you were saying were incorrect, and your response was "i don't have an organic chemistry schooling background like you guys"

I never got mad, and I never compared my education to anyone here, so I think you are mistaken. I apologized for my lack of knowledge, but that is all.

you may think you're learning plenty, but without proper direction you will end up spreading yourself too thin

When I say I "am learning plenty" I mean I would rather come back here in a week with some organic chemistry textbooks and just start drawing molecules and discussing them with you guys. That would be MUCH more stimulating than sitting in a classroom learning from a failed DOW chemist or wanna-be Meth chef.

BTW, I am not just talking out of my ass. I plan on making designer smells, and I will need chemists to advise me and invent their own things.

well, thats something you can fix.

if money is an issue, it makes a lot more sense to start out at a community college, get your 2-year associates degree, then transfer to a larger school (perhaps Yale or Harvard like you said). if you get good grades on your associates then it becomes a LOT easier to find the funding for a more expensive school.

I am already fixing that, and it won't take me 2 years (the learning part, money still may take some time)
 
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I never got mad

you may claim to have not gotten mad, but you accused others of feeling insulted when no one was insulted.... which is typically a sign of being mad oneself

If you are insulted, it's your own problem.

you even resorted to tossing out insults yourself:

ShaggyFin said:
I know what removing carbon and changing magnetic structure are, ass.

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and I never compared my education to anyone here

you certainly did that as well, here:

So sometimes I may be a little off about this stuff, but I am coming at it from a COMPLETELY different perspective than anyone that decided to traditionally educate themselves about this in any way. I have no organic chemistry degree

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ShaggyFin said:
That would be MUCH more stimulating than sitting in a classroom learning from a failed DOW chemist or wanna-be Meth chef.

^ more insults, not directed at anyone on this board this time, at least =/

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I am already fixing that, and it won't take me 2 years.

your plan is to teach yourself with used Organic Chemistry textbooks and Wikipedia, and then somehow convince Yale or Harvard to accept you despite having no prior degrees to present to them? i suppose its possible if you manage to get some groundbreaking papers published, but i hate to tell you -- its a long shot.
 
you may claim to have not gotten mad, but you accused others of feeling insulted when no one was insulted.... which is typically a sign of being mad oneself

I did not "accuse", he told me that when I talk about this stuff, it is "insulting to real chemists". I was just reiterating his statement.

I did not think of that as comparing myself educationally, I said my perspective was different because of my differing background, but I did not mean it as a direct comparison. Just a statement to help people understand where I am coming from.

You can't just pretend you are counting insults that don't exist, then include a real one that was directed at bad teachers, not anyone here. And act like it justifies your fake counted insults.

your plan is to teach yourself with used Organic Chemistry textbooks and Wikipedia, and then somehow convince Yale or Harvard to accept you despite having no prior degrees to present to them? i suppose its possible if you manage to get some groundbreaking papers published, but i hate to tell you -- its a long shot.

Again I am not a chemist, so this is not my life's work. I just stumbled in to this. I've got plenty of things that I am working on that colleges will be looking at.

Example, here is one of MANY things I am working on currently. I want categorize EVERYTHING in a way that is more compatible to recreational use. Still making the list, so categorizing has not even started yet. And I also plan on using this possibly in the fragrance building.

I have recently made the decision to not allegedly take any more grey area RCs as long as I am in the US anymore, and since I will never again be in the possession of anything that could be considered an analogue of anything, I decided I will start an “Alkaloids 101” type thing where I teach other people that might hurt themselves if they don't know better. And maybe help someone sitting in a hospital room with a dieing relative.
It will start as like 1-10 minute videos where I talk about each individual chemical, plant or animal. So far I have 1000+ individual chemicals, plants and animals listed. Then, once those videos have all been made, I will make a giant smashed together film with all 1000+ in 1 long video. So it will be something like 10+ hours long.
From there I will at some point begin showing extractions on individual plants, and testing different methods to see which plants extract best with which methods. Then I will start making novel chems and eventually add those processes on to the video as well.
So, we are basically going to have a video version of Pihkal and Tihkal (PLUS a video Pharmaceutical Encyclopedia) soon enough.
This list is not an endorsement, it is simply a list of Bio-Active Alkaloids. Let's cure cancer, let's cure AIDS (some of these are KNOWN to treat Cancer, AIDS, brain swelling, Head Trauma, Alzheimer's Disease, Broken Relationships/Marriages, Depression, Boring Sex lives, Addiction, ADD/ADHD, Sleep Disorders, Alcoholism (even some things on the list that can clear up drunkenness, cocaine/meth highs, and even trips) and other things, but not all doctors know about them, or care to acknowledge them), let's find the chemical that lets us transition into the next big metal alloy or microchip. If you need a molecule that doesn't exist, check this list before you give up. Research these things, some are poisons, some are said to bring on Godly experiences, some are just good for you. People can DIE from things on this list, so again, this list is not an endorsement, but people can also be SAVED by things on this list. And the future can be built on this list, because I believe that the personal identity of a human being is heavily dependent on the nitrogen bonds they put in their body occasionally (THC, Opiates, Nootropics, Hallucinogens etc.) and nitrogen bonds they put in their body every day (Nicotine, Caffeine, Opiates, etc)

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CBG, THCa, CBC, CBDa, Anandamide, 2-AG, CBL, CBDv, CBCv, CBGv, CBGm, Ibogaine, Noribogaine, Tabernanthine, Coronaridine, Ibogamine, Vaocangine, 18-MC, 5-MeO-Alkyltryptamine, β-Carboline, Tryptoline, Pinoline, Harmane, Harmaline, Harmine, Harmalol, Harmalan, Harmanamide, Acetylnorhormine, Bufotenin Oxide, DMT-N-Oxide, 5-MeO-Tryptamine, 5-OH-DMT, 5-MeO-DMT-Oxide, 3,4-Dimethoxyphenylamine, 6-MeO-Harman, Anethole, Safrole, Estragole, Monolignol, Pukateine, Glaucine, THP, Nantenine, Thujone, Lagochilin, Nicotine, Carbachol, Methacholine, ME-18-MC, 18-MAC, Tryptamine, β-Methyl-Phenethylamine, NMT, Voacanga Africana, Vachellia Farnesiana, Duboisia Hopwood, Acacia Victoriae, Anadenanthera Penegrina, Phalaris Aquatica, Echinopsis Lageniformus, Cylindropuntia Echinocarpa, Leptactina Densiflora, Fennel, Justica Pectoralis, Lactucarium, Glacium Flavum, Zornia Latifolia, Argemone Mexicana, Silene Undulata, Catharanthus Roseus, Desfontainia, Heimia Salicifolia, Lophophora, Sea Urchin Eggs, Bethanechol, Muscarine, Pilocarpine, Oxotremorine, Aporphine, Leonurine, Bungacotoxin, Tetrodotoxin, Taurine, Opiod Peptide, Streamlined Spinefoot, Blue-Spotted Spinefoot, Dusky Spinefoot, Marbled Spinefoot, Little Spinefoot, Salema, Phyllomedusa, Blue Sea Chub, Brow Chub, Conuict Surgeonfish, Yellowstipe Goatfish, Finstripe Goatfish, Acute Jawed Mullet, Coral Grouper, Platypus Venom, Slow Ioris Venom, Pygmy Slow Ioris Venom, Giant Leaf Frog, Gluten Exorphin, Soymorphin-5, Dermophin, 7-PET, Dimethyliambutene, Proopiomelanocortin, β-Endorphine, Dynorphin, Adrenorphin, Salvinorin B Methoxymethyl ether, Amindophin, Enkephalins, Salvinorin B ethoxymethyl ether, Opiorphin, Herkinorin, RB-101, DPI-221, Spinorphin, Kelatorphan, Delta-Pheylalanine, Thiorphan, Tynorphin, Hemorphon-4, valorphin, casomorphin, Gliadorphin, Rubiscolin, Deltorphin, MG6, MT-45, Myrophine, Acetorphine, Acetylmorphone, Actiq, Benzethidine, BU-48, BRL-52537, Pethidine, Naloxol, Betacetylmethadol, Methorphan, Bezitramide, RAM-378, Bromadol, Eriadoline, BW373U86, Thebaine, C-8813, Menthol, 8-CAC, Capperidine, Matrine, Chloromorphide, a-Chlorocodide, HZ-2, Codeinone, LPK-26, Codoxime, AD-1211, Conorfone, DADLE, Butorphanol, DAMGO, Semorphone, Dextromoramide, Sutentanil, Diampromide, Zenazocine, Difenoxin, Thebacon, Dihydroetorphine, Tilidene, Dimenoxadol, Xorphanol, Dipipanone, Dipropanoylmorphine, Doxpicomine, DPI-3290, Drotebanol, Endomorphin, Eseroline, Ethoheptacine, 14-Ethoxymetopon, Ethylmorphine, Etorphine, Etoxerdine, Furethidine, Heterocodeine, RAM-320, IBNtxA, IC-26, 1-Iodomorphine, Isomethadone, Ketobemidone, Ketorfanol, Lefetamine, Levorphanol, Loperamide, Meprodine, Metofoline, Metopon, Morpheridine, Morphine-N-Oxide, Morphinone, MR-2096, Nicocodeine, Nicomorphine, Normethadone, Ocefentanyl, Ohmefentanyl, Oxpheneridine, Oxymorphazone, Oxymorphol, Oxymorphone, Pentamorphone, PEPAP, Pericine, Phenadoxone, Phenempromide, Phenazocine, Pheneridrine, Phenomorphan, Picenadol, Piminodine, Piritramide, Proclilidine, Prodine, Proheptazine, Properidine, Prosidol, R-30490, R-4066, Ro4-1539, RWJ-394674, Sameridine, SC-17599, Methyldesorphine, Hydroxypethidine, 4-Fluouropethidine, Cannabis Indica, Cannabis Sativa, Cubensis, Hash, BHO, Delta-9-THC, 25TFM-NBOMe, 2C-B-BZP, 2CBFLY-NBOMe, 2CD-5Et0, 5-I-R91150, A-372,159, 2-Bromo-LSD, a-5IA, PWZ-029, L-655,708, TB-21007, 5-Ethoxy-DMT, 5-Ethyl-DMT, 7,N,N-TMT, VER-3323, YM-348, Alnespirone, 8-OH-DPAT, Aminorex, Batoprazine, 5-BT, BIMU-8, BMY-14802, BRL-54443, BW-723C86, 5-CT, CGS-12066A, Cinitapride, CJ-033,466, CP-135,807, CP-809,101, CP-93,129, CP-94,253, N,a,-DEPEA, Dimemebfe, RA-7, E-6801, E-6837, Eltoprazine, EMD-386,088, EMDT, ST-1936, Fluprazine, Indorenate, Jimscaline, L-694,247, Lasmiditan, APD-356, MMDPEA, LY-293,284, LY-310,762, LSD-pip, LPD-824, LSM-775, 5-MT, MBZP, Methyl-MMDA-2, a-MS, MK-212, Mosapride, Org 12,962, Org 37,684, Quipazine, 6-Nitroquipazine, NBUMP, 1-NP, 5-(Nonyloxy)Tryptamine, PHA-57378, PNU-181731, PNU-22394, Propylhexedrine, Prucalopride, PRX-03140, Psilocin, RDS-127, RH-34, Ro60-0175, Ro60-0213, RS-56812, RS-67,333, RU-24,969, RU-28306, SKF-97,541, SR-57227, Tandospirone, Tegaserod, TFMFly, pTMFPP, U-92,016A, SCA-136, TD-5108, Vortionetine, WAY-161503, WAY-208,466, WAY-629, Xaliproden, YM-31636, Zacopride, A-423,579, A-84,543, Abercarnil, 5-Br-DMT, Sugar, Acetildenafil AMMI 4C-D, AS-8112, Astemizole, Asymbescaline, Azapride, BAY-38-7271, BAY-59-3074, BAY-60-6583, Benproperine, Benzylmorphine, Berberine, 2-Pyrrolidone, JBIR-03(1), 1'-O-Acetylpaxilline, Penijanthine A, Emindole DA (1), Petromindole, Emindole SA (2), JWH-133, Napthylmethylindoles, Napthyolpyrroles, Napthylideneindenes, Cyclohexylphenols, Indole-2-Carboxamides, C3 Amino-Indoles, Cymserine, Hodgkinsine, Physostigmine, Psychotridine, Psychotria Colrata, Yuremamine, Gevotroline, Latrepirdine, BMY-7,378, Boldine, BP-897, Brexpiprazole, 4-Bromo-3,5-Dimethoxyamphetamine, Bromopride, Caroverine, CGS-20625, Cinchocaine, DAA-1097, DAA-1106, DOTFM, DMPEA, DMCM, Dyclonine, Ethylvanilin, Evoxine, Furoquinoline Alkaloids, Gabazine, GBLD-345, Rapacuronium, Mivacurium Chloride, Cisatracurium Besilate, DTC, Cloroqualone, Diproqualone, Mecloqualone, Methylmethaqualone, Eszopiclone, TP-003, TP-13, TPA-023, Y-23684, Pagoclone, Pazinaclone, Suproclone, Suriclone, Zapiclone, CGS-9896, NS-2664, NS-2710, Pipequaline, RWJ-51204, SB-205,384, ELB-139, Acamprosate, GABOB, N4-Chloroacetylcytosine Arabinoside, (+)-CAMP, CACA, AZD-3355, 1,4-Butanediol, XP19986, Atagabalin, Gabapentin Enacarbit, Hopantenic Acid, Imagabalin, 4-Methylpregabalin, PD-217,014, Afloqualone, Rocuronium Bromide, Vecuronium Bromide, Pipecuronium Bromide, Pancuronium Bromide, Amyl Nitrate, Atracurium Besilate, BWA444, Benzylisoqualone, Papaverine, Protopine, HS-342, HS-347, HS-310, Emylcamate, Eperisone, Febarbamate, Flavoxate, Inaperisone, Acamprosate, Progabide, Tiagabine, Lanperisone, Mephenesin, HS-692, HS-693, HS-704, HS-705, HS-626, Chlorzoxazone, Cisatracurium Besilate, Curare, Cyclobenzapine, Dantrolene, Decamethonium, Difebarbamate, Dihydrochanclonium, Doxacurium Chloride, Gallamine Triethiodide, Gantacurium Chloride, Hexafluronium Bromide, Meprobamate, Metaxalone, Methocarbamol, Norgesic, Orphenadrine, Pancuronium Bromide, Phenprobamate, Pipecuronium Bromide, Premazepam, Promoxolane, Quazepam, Rocuronium Bromide, Silperisone, Sulazepam, Suxamethonium Chloride, Suxethonium Chloride, Tetrabamate, Tizanidine, Tolperisone, Gigantine, BAY-73-6691, Indiplon, Nitrosoprodenafill, Zaleplon, Udenafil, Sulfoaildenafill, Sildenafil, Ocinaplon, Alpidem, Bamaluzole, DS-1, Fadrozole, Fazadinium Bromide, Imidazopyridine, Minodronic Acid, Bisphosphonate, Miroprofen, Necopidem, AL-LAD, DBT, a.O-DMS, 2,a-DMT, a,N-DMT, ETH-LAD, a-ET, 4-HO-DBT, 4-HO-pyr-T, MBT, 4,5-MDO-DIPT, 5,6-MDO-DIPT, 4,5-MDO-DMT, 5,6-MDO-DMT, 5,6-MDO-MIPT, 5,6-MeO-MIPT, 5-MeO-pyr-T, 5-MeO-NMT, 6-MeO-THH, 5-MeS-DMT, PRO-LAD, pyr-T, a,N,O-TMS, Olprinone, Telcagepant, Febrifugine, Halofuginone, MK-0249, LY-156,735, Ramelteon, Tasimelteon, SL-164, Quinazoline, Albaconazole, Altaserin, ATC-0175, Canertinib, Cediranib, Doxazosin, Fluproquazone, Gefitinib, Katanserin, Lapatinib, Agmatine, Amantadine, AP-7, AP5, Aptiganel, CGP-37849, 7-CTKA, DCKA, DXO, MK-801, SL-82.0715, Esketamine, Ethanol, NEFA, Besonprodil, Gacyclidine, Gavestinel, Huperzine A, Ifenprodil, Indantadol, Metaphit, Memantine, LY-235,959, Lubeluzole, Levomethadone, Kynuretic Acid, Midafotel, Neramexane, Nitromemantine, PEAQX, Perzinfotel, 8A-PHDQ, Remacemide, Rhynchophylline, Sabeluzole, Tiletamine, Tramadol, Xenon, Hydroxchloroquine, Antrafenine, Bedaquiline, GSK-299423, JTC-801, JTE-907, LGD-2226, PBT-2, PF-2545920, SB-215,505, SB-277,011-A, SB-742,457, BHF-177, BHFF, BSPP, Cartazolate, CGP-7930, Clomethiazole, Etazolate, Etomidate, Felbamate, Fospropofol, Gaboxadol, Glutethimide, GS-39783, Ibotenic Acid, ICI-190,622, Isoguracine, Isonipecotic Acid, Loreclezole, Methyprylone, Allopregnanolone, 5a-Dihydroprogesterone, Progesterone, THDOC, Alfadolone, Alfaxalone, Ganaxolone, Hydroxydione, Minaxolone, Org-20599, Pregnane, Piperadone, Propanidid, Propofol, Pyrithyldione, ROD-188, Stiripentol, Thiomuscimol, Thymol, Tybamate, QNB (BZ), Scopolamine, Midazolam, Sodium Pentathol, Amobarbital, Blue 88, Adinazolam, Alphenal, Bentazepam, Bromisoval, Camazepam, Carbromal, Centalun, Chloralodol, Chronobiotic, Cinolazepam, Clorazepate, Cloxazolam, Cyclopyrrolones, Delorazepam, Dichloralphenazone, DPH, Doxefazepam, Doxylamine, Embutramide, Eplivaserin, Ethinamate, Ethyl Ioflazepate, Fludiazipam, Heptabarb, Oleamide, Org 21465, Org 25435, Paraldehyde, Phenobarbital, Propiomazine, Promethazine, Propylbarbital, QH-II-66, Quetiapine, SH-053-R-CH3-2'F, Sulfonmethane, Tetrabarbital, Tetronal, Trional, Trytophol, Acaprazine, Acebrochal, Acetylglycinamide Chloral, Almorexant, Detomidine, Bromouriede, Benzoctamine, Barakol, Bekhterev's Mixture, Fasiplon, Fenadiazole, Fluperlapine, JM-1232, Inebriating Mint, Ro41-3696, Methapyrilene, Minitran, Nisobamate, Oxanamide, Oxomemazine, Panadiplon, Pazinaclone, Pentabamate, Petrichloral, Potassium Bromide, Procymate, Saripidem, Vinybital, Vinbarbital, Valofane, Validolum, Valeric Acid, Unisom, U-90042, U-89843A, Triclofos, 2,2,2-Trichloroethanol, TCS-OX2-29, SX-3228, Suvorexant, Sigmodal, SB-649,868, 6-APA, 77-LH-28-1, Adimolol, Alfentanil, Amedanil, Amedalin, BMS-564,929, Binospirone, Carburazepam, Clazolam, Clobazam, Clobenzepam, Clotiazepam, Thienodiazepine, Brotizolam, CP-14145, Cyclazodone, CSP-2503, Cycloserine, Cytisine, Demoxepam, Chlordizepoxide, Dibenzepin, Dihydroergocorine, Dihydroergocristine, DHEC, Dihydroergotamine, 17-DMAG, Dimiracetam, Doliracetam, Droperidol, Dihydrotestosterone, Dutasteride, Edaravone, EGIS-12,233, Elfazepam, Elzasonan, Enilospirone, Ergoloid, Ergotamine, Ergocrytine, Ergocristine, Ergovaline, Etazepine, Evodiamine, Fenmetramide, Fenozolone, Flunitrazepam, Flutazolam, Flutemazepam, Flutoprazepam, Fosazepam, GW-803,430, Halazepam, Haloxazolam, Herbimycin, Horsfiline, HT-0712, Icilin, Clazepam, Indoprofen, Ipsapirone, Isatin, Ketazolam, KF-26777, Lofendazepam, Lopirazepam, Loprazolam, Lorazepam, Lormetazepam, Menitrazepam, Meclonazepam, Menitrazepam, NMSP, Mexazolam, THCI, THCII, THCIII, THCIV, THCV, Mosapramine, Motrazepam, NBQX, Nevirapine, Nimetazepam, Nitrazepam, Nitrazepate, Nitroxazepine, Nordazepam, Nortetrazepam, Oxazepam, Oxatomide, Paliperidone, Prazepam, Pivoxazepam, Pirquinozol, Pirenzepine, Pinazepam, Pemoline, Paraxazone, Palonosterone, Proflazepam, Propizepine, Razobazam, Revospirone, Ripazepam, Ro15-4513, Ro48-6791, Ro48-8684, Ro5-2904, Ro5-4864, Ro64-6198, Ropinirole, RPL-554, RS-102,221, SL65.0155, Spiroxatrine, Temazepam, Tetrazepam, Thozalinone, Tolufazepam, Triflubazam, Vardenafil, Ziprasidone, Zolazepam, Zomebazam, Zometapine, Pyrazolodiazipines, Triazolodiazipines, Estazolam, Flubromazolam, Triazolam, Nitrobenzodiazepines, Pentazocine, 8-HO-PBZI, A-366,833, ABT-202, Sympathomimethies, ABT-239, ABT-418, Aniracetam, Almotriptan, BD-1008, LR-132, BD-1031, Singma Agonists, BD-1018, 4-PPBP, Alazocine, BD-1052, Butinoline, Clemizole, CPHPC, Desoxy-D2PM, Citalopram, Ditolyguanidine, Escitalopram, Fluoxetine, Fluvoxamine, Tgmesine, L-697,384, PRE-084, S33005, SA-4503. Siramesine, Venlafaxine, Clonidine, VUT-8430, UR-AK49, Moroxydine, Altinicline, Anabasine, 3-Bromocytine, Bradanicline, Cotinine, Desformylflustrabromine, Dianicline, DMPP, Epibatidine, Epiboxidine, Lobeline, Myosmine, Phenylpiracetam, PNU-120,596, PNU-282,987, ABT-089,Rivanicline, RJR-2429, Phantasmidine, Sazetidine A, SIB-1553A, TC-1698, TC-1827, TC-2216, Tebanicline, 2,3,4,5-Tetrahydro-1,5-Methano-1H-3-Benzazepine, UB-165, Varenicline, FE-β-CPPIT, FB-β-CPPIT, RTI-336, NVP-AUY922, Pleconaril, RTI-177, RTI-371, Calea Ternifolia, African Dream Herb, Ambutonium Bromide, Hyoscamine, Ilex Guayusa, Abediterol, Aclidinium Bromide, Benzilycholine Mustard, Bevonium, Bornaprine, Cyanodothiepin, Darifenacin, Dexetimide, Dicycloverine, Etybenzatropine, Fenpiverinium, Fesoterodine, Homatropine, Hydroxyzine, Imidafenacin, Ipratropium Bromide, Methylatropine, Methylhomatropine, Octatropine Methylbromide, PD-0298029, PD-102,807, Pipenzolate, Piperidolate, Tiotropium Bromide, Anisodine, Benacytazine, Butylscopolamine, CAR-226,086, CAR-301,060, CAR-301,196, Caramiphen, Clidinium Bromide, Ditran, EA-3167, EA-3443, EA-3580, EA-3834, JB-318, JB-336, Methylscoplamin Bromide, Oxapium Iodide, Oxitropium Bromide, Polyfothine, Propiverine, Pyrrobutamine, Timepidium Bromide, Tridihexethyl, Tropatepine, WIN-2299, Amrutanjan, Abstral, Acetylmethadol, Acetyldihydrocodeine, Alletorphine, Anilopam, Axomadol, BC Powder, Befiradol, Benorilate, Betamethadol, Bicifadine, Butinazocine, Carbazocine, Celadrin, Chlorodyne, Cinchophen, Co-dydramol, Co-codamal, Cogazocine, Conolidine, Deltorphin I, Dezocine, Dimepheptanol, Dipyrocetyl, TRPV1 Receptor, Capsazepine, Dosulepin, Electroanalgesia, Epideral Steroid Injection, Eptazocine, Equianalgesic, Efazocine, Fedotozine, Filenadol, Fioricet, Fiorinal, Frakefamide, Hemprenorphine, 3-HM, Ibazocine, Levallorphan, Levomepromazine, Lufuradom, Magnesium Salicylate, Blue Prickly Poppy, Menabitan, A-40174, Dimethylhepylpyran, Metamizole, Metkefamide, Moramide, Morphiceptin, Moxazocine, Nafoxadol, Malmexone, Naproxen, Nefopam, Nimesulide, Naracymethadol, Norlevorphanol, Norpipanone, NS-11394, Panadol, Penthox Inhaler, Phenacetin, Phenazone, Phenazopyridine, Propyphenazone, Proxorphan, Resiniferatoxin, Rimazolium, Romifidine, RUB-A535, Salecylamide, Salonpas, Tectin, Tolfenamic Acid, Tenazocine, Ufenamate, Volazocine, Xylazine, Yangonin, Zinda Tilismath, Ziconotide, Anazocine, Bremazocine, Cyclazocine, EKC, Fluorophen, Gemazocine, Ketazocine, Metazocine, Quadazocine, Azocine, Benzazocine, 0-2545, DOU-216,303, Phenylethylpyrrolidine, GR-89696, HA-966, ICI-199,441, ICI-204,448, NNN, Nornicotine, Clemastine, PF-03654746, RTI-229, SB-269,970, U-50488, U-69,593, Bombesin, Bivaracetam, Cebaracetam, DEABL, Coluracetam, Cromakalim, Doxapram, Dupracetam, Etiracetam, Fasoracetam, Imuracetam, Levetiracetam, Lidanserin, Nebracetam, Nefiracetam, Nicoracetam, Oxiracetam, Piperacetam, Pramiracetam, Seletracetam, MOPPP, MPBP, MPHP, MDPDP, MDPPP, Pyrovalone, a-PBP, a-PPP, Neuropeptides, Galanin, Neuropeptide Y, Enkephalin, Somatoslatin, CCK, Substance P, Neurotensin, TRH, Acepramazine, Aceprometazine, Acetanisol, Acetohexamide, Acetophenazine, Acetophenone, Acetosyringoine, 2-Acetylpyridine, Adrenalone, Anthrone, Apocynin, Avobenzone, Benzbromarone, Benziodarone, Benzoin, Butaperazine, CB-13, AM-6545, AZ-11713908, WIN-54,461, JWH-200, WIN-56,098,S-796,260, AM-1220, AM-1221, AM-1241, AM-2233, AM-630, AAI's, CPE, GW-405,833, JWH-193, JWH-198, JWH-007, 3-Acetyl-6-Methoxybenzaldehyde, Aflobazole, AR-A000002, Azasestron, Bazinaprine, 3-Benzhydrylmorpholine, BML-190, Cobicistat, CYT387, Desmethylmoramide, Dioxaphetyl Butyrate, Edivoxetine, Epelsiban, Demoxytocin, Carbetocine, WAY-267,464, Atosiban, Eprobemide, L-371,257, L-368,899, Quinagolide, Terbutaline, 2CB-ind, 5-APDI, APICA, Donepezil, ICI-118,551, Indatraline, Indinavir, Ladostigil, Mutisianthol, PNU-99,194, S-15535, TAI, Zicronapine, Aleglitazar, Thromboxame Receptor Agonist, Verruculogen, Brevianamide, 2,5-DKP, Fellutanine, Phenylahistine, Plinabulin, Rugulosuvine, Fedrilate, Fenbutrazate, L-733,060, G-130, HC3, Indeloxazine, Levomoramide, Metostilenol, Molindone, Molracetam, Nimorazole, O-1057, O-1812, AM-2232, O-774, AM-2389, HHC, HU-243, Canbisol, Nabilone, 11-OH-THC, 2-AGE, Paxahexyl, THC-C4, AMG-36, AMG-41, AM-1235, AM-906, AM-365, O-2694, O-2372, O-2113, O-2050, VCHSR, TM-38837, PiplSB, PF-514273, MK-9470, LY-320,135, O-2545, PD-128,907, PF-219,061, ABT-670, ABT-742, UK-414,495, OSU-6162, Melanotan II, Oxaflozane, PF-592,379, 2-Phenyl-3,6-Dimethylmorpholine, Pramocaine, SCH-50911, 4-HTMPIPO, A-41988, AB-001, AB-005, ADBICA, AM-087, AM-411, KM-233, AM-679, AM-694, AM-855, AM-905, AM-919, AM-4030, AM-938, AM-251, AMG-1, AR-231,453, PSN-375,963, PSN-632,408, (C6)-CP-47,497, CCH, O-1871, CP-55,940, CP-47,497, CP-50,556'1, CP-55,244, Otenabant, (C9)-CP-47,497, CBS-0550, AVE-1625, GW-842,166x, HU-308, HU-336, HU-331, HU-320, Ajulemic Acid, JTE-7-31, A-834,735, MDA-19, S-444,823, JTE-907, JWH-015, JWH-019, JWH-030, JWH-047, JWH-048, JWH-051, JWH-057, JWH-081, SLV319, 2-Isopropyl-5-Methyl-1-(2,6-dihydroxy-4-nonphenyl)cyclohex-1-ene, HU-345, JWH-098, JWH-116, JWH-120, JWH-122, JWH-147, JWH-148, JWH-149, JWH-161, JWH-164, JWH-167, JWH-175, JWH-176, JWH-184, JWH-185, JWH-196, JWH-203, JWH-249, JWH-302, JWH-307, JWH-359, JWH-398, JWH-424, L-759,633, L-759,656, GW-405,833, Leelamine, NESS-0327, NESS-040C5, NMP-7, Nonabine, O-1125, O-1238, O-1269, O-806, O0823, Org-27569, Org-28312, LBP-1, Org-28611, Otenabant, Perrottetinene, PF-03550096, RCS-4, RCS-8, Rosonbrant, SDB-001, SDB-006, SER-601, Serinolamide A, THC-O-Phosphate, Tinabinol, VDM-11, Virohamine, A77636, Adafenoxate, Adapromine, Adatanserin, Bolmantalate, Bromantane, SR-142,948, 25B-NBOMe, 25I-NBMB, 25TFM-NBOMe, 5-MeO-NBpBiT, 2CBCB-NBOMe, 25CN-NBOH, Juncosamine, TCB-2, 6-Br-APB, Agelferin, Cridazepam, Meta-DOB, NGD-4715, Nicergoline, P7C3, SB-357,134, Sclerotia Truffle, 5-Flouro-aMT, 6-Flouro-aMT, Telepathine, AMDA, Amperozide, Cinaserin, Deramciclane, Fenanserin, Flibanserin, Glemanserin, Iferanserin, KML-010, LY-367,265, Pruvanserin, Rauwolscine, Setoperone, Spiperone, Volinanserin, Xlamidine, Altropane, ATI-2042, PIA, RTI-121, RTI-353, Tramethinib, SB-258,585, Lu-AE58054, MS-245, Ro04-6790, SB-271,046, SB-399,885, RTI-55, AC-262,356, 2'-Acetoxycocaine, Bemestron, Benzoylthiomethylecogine, Brasofesine, 2-CMT, Clobenztropine, Cocaethylene, Deptropine, Dichloropane, Diflouropine, Granisetron, 3-(p-Flourobenzoyloxy)tropane, p-ISOCOC, Methylvanillylecogonine, Norcocaine, NS-2359, RTI-126, WF-23, WF-33, WF-31, WF-11, BRL-46470, RTI-112, RTI-113, RTI-120, RTI-150, RTI-171, RTI-274, RTI-31, RTI-32, RTI-51, RTI-83, Thiophenyltropanes, MAT Inhibitor, Salicylmethylecgonine, Tesofesine, Troparil, WIN-35428, Amfonelic Acid, Oxolinc Acid, Tropisetron, Zatosetron, Dichloropane, RTI-336, RTI-126, Tropoxane, Poyo (Palm Wine), Tropicamide, Caffetin, Formic acid, Monocled Cobra, Sisa, Tramadol, Dazopride, Dolasetron, Amylocaine, Articaine, Bupivacaine, Butacaine, Chloroprocaine, Cyclomethycaine, Etidocaine, Hexylcaine, Levobupivacaine, Mepivacaine, Meprylcaine, Prilocaine, Proxymetacaine, Risocaine, Ropivacaine, Tetracaine, Trimecaine, Piperocaine, Metabutoxycaine, Adipiplon, Almitrine, ARRY-520, AZD5423, Cisapride, CP-226,269, CRL-40,941, DBL-583, Dexamethasone, DFMD, Methyldopa, Carbidopa, d-DOPA, L-DOPS, Octaflourocyclobutane (for alloys), DFB (for alloys), Didesmethylcitalopram, Elopiprazole, Phenylpiprazine, F-15,599, FGIN-127, Fletazepam, Flucindole, GR-159,897, LY-503,430, MPPF, PEPA, RS-127,445, S-23, SHA-68, SNAP-7941, SNAP-94847, TP-003, TPA-023, UH-301, Calycosin, Flavinoids, Psi-Tectorigenin, Blochanin A, Formononetin, Glyciten, Irigenin, Methoxyisoflavone, 5-O-Methylgenistein, 7-O-Methylluteone, Ononin, Pratensein, Prunetin, Retusin, Tectoridin, Tectorigenin, Barbigerone, Daidzein, Derrubone, Genistein, Ipriflavone, Irilone, Luteone, Orobol, Psuedobaotigenin, Wighteone, AMG-3, Nabazenil, Naboctate, a-Napthoflavone, 11-Nor-9-Carboxy-THC (How Drug Tests Work), Pirnabine, Apiol, Dillapiol, 1,3-Benzodioxole, Piperonal, beta-Asarone, Eleicin, Homovanyllyl Alcohol, Myristicin, 2-Bromo-4,5-Methylenedioxyamphetamine, Californidine, Chavicine, Cinoxacin, Dibutylone, Fenoverine, Befuraline, MDIP, MDMAI, MDPR, MDAL, ORTHO-MDA, MDP1P, MDP2P, Omiloxetine, Osemozotan, Piclozotan, Robalzotan, Ebalzotan, Sarlzotan, Piperine, Protokylol, Isoprenaline, Rhoeadine, MDMPEA, MMDPEA, MMDMPEA, MDIP, MDHOET, MDPL, GYKI-52895, Ungiminorine, NADA, ECG, EGCG, EGC, Levonantradol, Cone Snail Venom, A-836,339, Abacavir, CYP-LAD, 2-Bromo-LSD, BU-LAD, DAM-57, DAL, Epicriptine, Ergometrine, Ergometrinine, Ergostine, ETH-LAD, LEA-32, Methylergometrine, MLD-41, LSP, LSH, MIPLA, PARGY-LAD, PRO-LAD, DCG-IV, DOV-102,677, MDCPM, MNTX, Amfonelic acid, J-113,397, SB-612,111, VUF-6002, DBM, Piberatine, Ilercimide, Dithranol, Divaplon, Ebastine, Flopropione, Iloperidone, Ketorolac, Melperone, NNC-38-1044, Tetralone, Cuscohydrine, Hygrine, 4-NEMD, Aceburic Acid, Amfecloral, Aprobarbital, Arfendazam, Benzobarbital, Benzylbutylbarbituate, Brallobarbital, Brophebarbital, Buthalitol, Carbubarb, Climazolam, Cyclobarbital, Cyclopentobarbital,

Everyone should look up "Digital Biological Converter" and "Biological Teleportation" Medicine and Industry can both completely move like 100 steps forward if tons of people learn about Biological Teleportation and the things on this list.

Also, if you want to learn more about Alkaloids go on Amazon and look up "Alkaloids", "Organic Chemistry", "Biochemistry", "Biosynthesis", "Epigenetics" and "Natural Materials" and look at the textbooks.

Sasha Alexander Shulgin Scale +, ++, +++, ++++ or +1, +2, +3, +4
1= Tipsy
2= High/Drunk, etc. But you could still go to the store
3= If you went in public, people would say "I think that person is on something"
4= Seeing God

And now a days people say "Threshold/Weak", "Medium", "Strong" in terms of instant mental effects, but Shulgin had things like "Museum Doses" where he would take like 10mg of 2C-I so that the Museum would come alive.

Psychedelic, Deleriant, Entactogen, Stimulant, Dissociative, Sedative/Anti-Psychotic, Anti-Depressant/Mood Stabilizer, Nootropic, Vitaman, Sleep Aid, Sex Aid, Addiction Aid, Antidote
Isomerization, Polarization, Chromatography

When Aliens come to Earth and openly land somewhere for everyone to see, and it turns out they don't have vocal cords and they have insect eyes. Shouldn't we have a bio-active alkaloid that represents how we want them to feel about us? The way a poison plant is saying "Go away" and Marijuana is saying "Hello" we can tell the aliens whatever we want. I vote we brew some Ayahuasca to take with them, OR take some Lisuride (LSD without any visuals).
 
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also, these two quotes from you are pretty contradictory:

When I say I "am learning plenty" I mean I would rather come back here in a week with some organic chemistry textbooks and just start drawing molecules and discussing them with you guys. That would be MUCH more stimulating than sitting in a classroom learning from a failed DOW chemist or wanna-be Meth chef.

I am a very hands on learner.


if you are a hands-on learner, then going to school and learning in a classroom / laboratory setting would be ideal. perhaps you have the wrong notion of what learning chemistry in college is like -- you will actually be in a laboratory from the first week of your freshman year, starting with Chemistry 101.
 
if you are a hands-on learner, then going to school and learning in a classroom / laboratory setting would be ideal. perhaps you have the wrong notion of what learning chemistry in college is like -- you will actually be in a laboratory from the first week of your freshman year, starting with Chemistry 101.

Again, I don't have the money to do avid schooling, so I would probably be doing basics, like math and lit. Not lab after lab. So pondering and drawing my own structures is as "hands on" as I can get for now.

But within months I will be creating my own ghetto lab, where I can do this directly without following their curriculum.

also, the person you called an ass was not the same person that accused you of being an insult to real chemists

Yeah, that was the guy that pretended I said words I didn't know, so I had to spell it out for him.
Is there a point to my replying to you now, or is this just fun for you?
 
the people in this thread are trying to help you, dude. we're not just correcting you for shits and giggles. we are legitimately trying to steer you on the right course.

you insulted the failed DOW chemist or the wanna be Meth-chef, but you want to have your own ghetto lab in a few months?

i tell you this for your own good -- you are incredibly far away from being able to start your own laboratory. for the good of you and the people you live nearby, i hope to god that you do not attempt it.

ShaggyFinn said:
I am VERY unlearned in organic chemistry, my "expertise" from the past (if you can call it that) is more on that "taking and comparing" side of drugs. I ordered some books so I will be able to draw other molecules soon. But unless we can Isomerize this stuff, or Decarboxalyze it, or whatever. All I know that is possible is to attach it to a Chloroform, because after Ana Nicole smith died I read about Chlorobutanol (the stuff that killed her from OD, it's a Barbiturate I believe) and making that is the same as making this.

he was right when he said you were just throwing out words without knowing what they meant. "isomerize" and "decarboxylate" make absolutely no sense in the context you were using them in.
 
the people in this thread are trying to help you, dude. we're not just correcting you for shits and giggles. we are legitimately trying to steer you on the right course.

you insulted the failed DOW chemist or the wanna be Meth-chef, but you want to have your own ghetto lab in a few months?

i tell you this for your own good -- you are incredibly far away from being able to start your own laboratory. for the good of you and the people you live nearby, i hope to god that you do not attempt it.

See, you say you are not doing this for fun, then you TRY not to understand where I am coming from.

Is it not OBVIOUS that when I said "failed DOW chemist" and "Wanna-be meth chef" I am talking about people that CALL themselves chemists because they "know procedure" but they have NO alchemical spirit, which DRIVES chemistry.

I am not making a lab in my house or anything, my family is interested in this fragrance stuff. So we will probably rent a place specifically for this, maybe with an herbal supplement shop.
 
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