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Opioids What can opiate withdrawal be compared to?

What are opiate/opioid withdrawals like? Try sticking a buck knife up your anus, while downing a gallon of sour milk and having someone constantly pounding your cranium with a ball peen hammer - all while jumping into a bath of ice for a minute and then going out into the summer heat of Death Valley, CA. Take all that and combine it with a shit sandwich, diagonal cut and with the crusts cut off, for sex appeal.

Sound fun, that is what I go through all the time... More times than I can even fathom.

This is why most opioid users either shoot their brains out (or try to), or they learn a skill called "radical acceptance".

Personally, I try to get some of the tools from the "Thomas" and others' method.

Oh yea, smoking-topical-oral-sublingual forms of massive ganja intake will help you if you let it.

P.S. Stay away from sativa (if you have paranoia or schizophrenic tendencies) - instead: look for some ruderalis as well as your known indica.

May Ja be with you...
 
Paws is the worst. I can live with the needle flu...but feeling so low is terrible. I ended up going back to morphine after four months clean a couple years ago because I couldn't shake the despair. It was almost crippling. My sober friends didn't understand why all I wanted to do was lay in bed and read.

I can totally agree with thinking about others having it way worse. I mean, imagine being one of octomom's kids. Now that is hell on earth.

Don't get me started about having drugging dreams whenever I could sleep.8(
 
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Choosing_Positive said:
What are opiate/opioid withdrawals like? Try sticking a buck knife up your anus, while downing a gallon of sour milk and having someone constantly pounding your cranium with a ball peen hammer - all while jumping into a bath of ice for a minute and then going out into the summer heat of Death Valley, CA. Take all that and combine it with a shit sandwich, diagonal cut and with the crusts cut off, for sex appeal.

Sound fun, that is what I go through all the time... More times than I can even fathom.

This is why most opioid users either shoot their brains out (or try to), or they learn a skill called "radical acceptance".

Personally, I try to get some of the tools from the "Thomas" and others' method.

Oh yea, smoking-topical-oral-sublingual forms of massive ganja intake will help you if you let it.

P.S. Stay away from sativa (if you have paranoia or schizophrenic tendencies) - instead: look for some ruderalis as well as your known indica.

May Ja be with you...
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Ya that about sums it up. Rollercoaster of hell with a shotgun ending or jail or insanity or sometimes people make it thru. All we can do is try. I'm somewhat of an herb specialist-retired! In all my adventures ruderalis wow, you really never hear of it, at least in nyc. I'm sure I have had some not even knowing but never had seed to spliff rudes. Def would like some couch lock indica right now. Sativa great in the winter for me. Now its making me paranoids that I just fresh off subs. Here is all sativa now its hilarious. 10-15 years ago all indica, then someone blew up the sativa outload. Where the idies? Bumboclots hold that yard weed.

I with you on the feels like dying part but only because of our current weather predicament.
 
Soo soar and I didnt do anything. Its death valley meets nyc the week I was forced to detox. Sleeping is hard because of this heat and breathing not easy. I can't tell if having pawls or a heatstroke. Its all bad, next week I see if detox really worked, and back to normal weather 80s. Can't wait til I see a whole week of 40s in forcast. Screw summertime unless your a kid.
 
OmarLittle said:
Imagine the absolute worst flu of your life, multiply it by ten, and pretend you're walking 5 miles to the hospital...and just as you cross the street to enter the hospital, you get hit by a bus. When you get in the hospital, they transfer you back and forth every 5 minutes from a sauna to a walk in meat freezer. This goes on non-stop for three days, then you SLOWLY start to feel better. Then after it's done, the boredom, deppresion, anxiety and insomnia is left with you as a parting gift.

At least this is what it was like for me ( Classic JUNKIE...Primary Oxycodone addiction <500mg a day> , plus Oxymorphone, Hydromorphone, Morphine, Heroin, Vicodin, Fentanyl, Hydrocodone, codeine, Methadone) for over a year.

I know this post is old but I thought someone might stumble across it someday. If they do and need some support getting over the sickness, PM me. I'll help if I can.
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OmarLittle said:
Imagine the absolute worst flu of your life, multiply it by ten, and pretend you're walking 5 miles to the hospital...and just as you cross the street to enter the hospital, you get hit by a bus. When you get in the hospital, they transfer you back and forth every 5 minutes from a sauna to a walk in meat freezer. This goes on non-stop for three days, then you SLOWLY start to feel better. Then after it's done, the boredom, deppresion, anxiety and insomnia is left with you as a parting gift.

I know this post is old but I thought someone might stumble across it someday. If they do and need some support getting over the sickness, PM me. I'll help if I can.
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Day 1, hour... Day 2, hour 40 since last shot, cold-turkey from a 1-year ~400 mg/day IV morph addiction, I wanna die, but this post made me laugh like shit, don't even ask, emotions are so fucked up. Thank you.

Also, if I had to put it into words, I'd say, for me at least, a 3-day panic attack alongside every bone in your body being simultaneously broken, rather shattered, while having no control over your overwhelming urge to contract & flail every muscle every 2-3 seconds. Oh, you can also throw in being doused in gas and lit on fire, then thrown into freezing arctic water, dragged out after 5 seconds and lit back on fire, repeat. Let's not forget you've got severe food poisoning from eating a pound of raw pork. You get extreme hunger pangs yet can't hold anything down, & you're ever more exhausted each of the 4 sleepless nights you lay sauteing in your own malnourished, highly-toxic sweat.. uhg, I just killed the only semi-functional, semi-OK mood.. here it goes. Good luck, good night. Hope someone heeds these experienced words
 
As above post , but difficult for a layman to comprehend how horrendous it actually can be . Some opiates [ for me anyway ] can produce worse WDs than others - I have used heroin daily for months at a time , but surprisingly , the WDs were almost negligible . Nevertheless , paradoxically , IV MS Contin : 200mg / day for 10 days is very physically addictive , and in another week I have a raging habit with WDs that include convulsions , cramps , spewing bile , weakness , pounding headaches , diahorhea , chills , sweats , etc, etc , all occurring simultaneously .
Maybe different drugs affect different people differently ?? I found that morphine WDs are by far the most ferocious and painful ....
 
Not looking forward to this again, my source moved so I am screwed. I will be trying to slowly go off the oxy and deal with the WD's. The most frustrating thing for me is trying to sleep, it feels soooo damn uncomfy I can't even explain it. Then you just don't feel right, your bones feel like they are of a 90 year old with osteoporosis, and then the 'want' is always there to use again.
 
Never done heroin, but withdrawing cold-turkey off of long-term 12mg/day Suboxone was nasty enough.

Apart from the already mentioned intense flu-like symptoms, inability to feel at all comfortable, body temperature going wild (I remember at one point having on two t-shirts, thermals, two jumpers, a rug, and a thick blanket, and was still bone-chillingly cold, but suddenly very hot, and back again), insomnia (up for 3 days straight), cannot eat anything without throwing it up... the worst part for me was the "restless leg syndrome". It felt like every cell within my legs (and even arms) was itching, and the only way to stop the itch was to move wildly, but then it would instantly come back. So at one point I was lying in bed flailing around like a fish out of water. It's the closest I have ever come to knowing what the word "torture" truly means.

The other part which I find unbearable was the depression. I've felt depression before in my life, but this was absolutely rock-bottom raw melancholia, with nothing to hold you up.

So yeah, opiate withdrawals are not at all an over-hyped myth, they are genuinely the worst experience one will probably go through in their whole life. But that's the price you pay for a peek into heaven :)

Also as people have said, it's often not about getting over the physical hell, it's the persistent inability to feel joy, and flat-lined emotions which persists afterwards as your neurotransmitters attempt to get back to normal. For me this never got better even after 5 months (!) so I went back on Suboxone and life is fairly good.
 
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I've been putting up with suboxone PAWS for about 2 years! will this shit ever end?? im bout to start using again even though i can't afford anything because i've been so sick i can't work! i only started opiates because i was in pain, now im tryna get outta them and im exactly where i fucking started, is there a silver lining?

Oh yeah and what wds can be compared to? How bout death, and every emotion you've ever felt in your life plus a few new ones all going through you at the same time.. plus if you're surrounded by people who dont understand, and are very negative to you about what you're going through, you feel VERY hopeless and alone.

Good luck to anyone who decides to read this thread and decides it's worth a shot to roll the dice and gamble with your lifes overall meaning and losing everything and everyone who ever meant anything to you..
 
Acanthus said:
Never done heroin, but withdrawing cold-turkey off of long-term 12mg/day Suboxone was nasty enough.

Apart from the already mentioned intense flu-like symptoms, inability to feel at all comfortable, body temperature going wild (I remember at one point having on two t-shirts, thermals, two jumpers, a rug, and a thick blanket, and was still bone-chillingly cold, but suddenly very hot, and back again), insomnia (up for 3 days straight), cannot eat anything without throwing it up... the worst part for me was the "restless leg syndrome". It felt like every cell within my legs (and even arms) was itching, and the only way to stop the itch was to move wildly, but then it would instantly come back. So at one point I was lying in bed flailing around like a fish out of water. It's the closest I have ever come to knowing what the word "torture" truly means.

The other part which I find unbearable was the depression. I've felt depression before in my life, but this was absolutely rock-bottom raw melancholia, with nothing to hold you up.

So yeah, opiate withdrawals are not at all an over-hyped myth, they are genuinely the worst experience one will probably go through in their whole life. But that's the price you pay for a peek into heaven :)

Also as people have said, it's often not about getting over the physical hell, it's the persistent inability to feel joy, and flat-lined emotions which persists afterwards as your neurotransmitters attempt to get back to normal. For me this never got better even after 5 months (!) so I went back on Suboxone and life is fairly good.
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Jumping off 12mg's of bupe? Yeah that's rough. You couldn't taper?
 
HdoubleODeezy said:
I've been putting up with suboxone PAWS for about 2 years! will this shit ever end?? im bout to start using again even though i can't afford anything because i've been so sick i can't work! i only started opiates because i was in pain, now im tryna get outta them and im exactly where i fucking started, is there a silver lining?

Oh yeah and what wds can be compared to? How bout death, and every emotion you've ever felt in your life plus a few new ones all going through you at the same time.. plus if you're surrounded by people who dont understand, and are very negative to you about what you're going through, you feel VERY hopeless and alone.

Good luck to anyone who decides to read this thread and decides it's worth a shot to roll the dice and gamble with your lifes overall meaning and losing everything and everyone who ever meant anything to you..
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>>what kind of Paws symptoms are you experiencing after 2 years?i still suffer Paws symptoms after methadone and its been 7-8 years..ive basically sort of accepted it in a way..
 
I think people are way too quick to blame paws on their problems.. just because you're a little bummed sometimes, or anxious, or not totally perfect 100% of the time, does not mean you're still in paws.
 
I'm not perfect or normal 1 percent of the time I'd kill for 5 percent. . But I see your point..
Maybe my mood swings, depression, anxiety, fucked up dreams, constant lower back to ankle pain, racing mind, scattered thoughts, predicting things will happen before they do.. and tons of other shit is really just a gift/curse right? There are some positives but I can only think of them when they happen.. and that's usually when I feel the suffering is ending. Little do I know that one hour outta the day feeling OK would mean the symptoms would come back twice a hard without mercy and make me feel im within an inch of my life.. there's a normal day for ya right?
 
Mr.Scagnattie said:
Jumping off 12mg's of bupe? Yeah that's rough. You couldn't taper?
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Haha, yeah I remember telling people I was going to do it and no-one believed it was possible. Basically I got to a point in my life where I wasn't at all happy, and wanted change quickly. I simply just woke up one day and told myself I would at all costs stop taking it. Indeed on day 5 I very nearly gave up, but then got some valium from a sympathetic doctor, and loperamide, which made things significantly easier.

But yes you're right, I would never do that again without first tapering to <4mg. It's far too hellish.
 
Mr.Scagnattie said:
I think people are way too quick to blame paws on their problems.. just because you're a little bummed sometimes, or anxious, or not totally perfect 100% of the time, does not mean you're still in paws.
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hmm i agree to an extent but Paws is very real..Paws is the main reason why most people relapse imo...you go months and months of just feeling like shit and u wil give in, well most people will..lethargy, anxiety, foggy thoughts, dysphoria i have all experienced and i link most of them to Paws..i have talked to the local doctor that scribes subuxone and he claims Paws is extremely difficult to treat and that most doctors just try to tackle the symptoms instead of Paws itself..
 
I'd say bad flu, constant panic attacks, and you feel like someone jumped you for a good 5 days with no taper plan.
 
belfort said:
hmm i agree to an extent but Paws is very real..Paws is the main reason why most people relapse imo...you go months and months of just feeling like shit and u wil give in, well most people will..lethargy, anxiety, foggy thoughts, dysphoria i have all experienced and i link most of them to Paws..i have talked to the local doctor that scribes subuxone and he claims Paws is extremely difficult to treat and that most doctors just try to tackle the symptoms instead of Paws itself..
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Yes PAWS is very real indeed, but 7-8 years later...? Come on. PAWS generally lasts 6 months-2 years on the high end.
 
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