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shooting subutex not suboxone after already dosing on subuteX

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babysarah92211

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Swim already dosed 6mg of subutex two hours ago. Swim knows iving suboxone would send him into precip wd but since he already dosed on subutex would he be ablee to iv the subutex (the one w o naloxone) without a problem? Swim still feels a little sick after dosing. Swim will be at 24 hours w o heroin in exactly ten minutes. So pretty much, since he already started the subutex amd it didnt put him into withdrawal when he took it sublingually, will it put him into wd if taken now using iv?
 
You're fine, please search around online and on BL before posting questions because this has been answered 1,000 times before! If you already took subutex and didn't get sick then you're ok and btw you can shoot suboxone too, the naloxone sending you into withdrawals if you IV suboxone thing is false, both suboxone and subutex can be IVed but please just use the search engine next time because everything I've just said has all been discussed on BL before..
 
But isn't it naloxone's full antagonistic properties that result in Precipitated-AWS when injected into an opiate tolerant person?
 
Chinggis said:
But isn't it naloxone's full antagonistic properties that result in Precipitated-AWS when injected into an opiate tolerant person?
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Suboxone IV will only send you into PWD if you shoot more than 4mg from what I've heard, which would be about 1mg of naloxone (there's 2mg naloxone in an 8mg pill/strip). To be honest though, there is absolutely no point to shooting subutex when you've already taken 6mg. You won't even feel it. There is no rush. The only way you'd feel the subutex IV is if you waited like 2-3 days till the sub is out of your system and your going back into withdrawals, then you shoot 1-2mg and you could probably get some effects, but there is no rush and it takes about 20 minutes to hit ya. Shooting subs is really pointless and extremely dangerous. They are meant to be taken sublingually. They fillers and pill ingredients are very bad for you and can cause fatal complications and amputations. Please reconsider this idea. You can just snort the subutex for a faster onset and better bioavailability. I have made the mistake of shooting subutex a couple of times and it only worked when I didn't take sub for 2-3 days so I would go into withdrawal and even then it had no rush and wasn't euphoric, it was just like snorting or taking sub-lingual.
 
babysarah92211 said:
Swim already dosed 6mg of subutex two hours ago. Swim knows iving suboxone would send him into precip wd but since he already dosed on subutex would he be ablee to iv the subutex (the one w o naloxone) without a problem? Swim still feels a little sick after dosing. Swim will be at 24 hours w o heroin in exactly ten minutes. So pretty much, since he already started the subutex amd it didnt put him into withdrawal when he took it sublingually, will it put him into wd if taken now using iv?
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Obviously for the OP's sake this is hindsight.....but for anyone else reading, I think you are wasting the shot in this situation. If 6 mg sublingual won't pull you out of w/d, then you just need to wait longer and let your tolerance drop more before the subs gonna start making you feel good. I would wait in this situation until I was at least 12 hours past the 6 mg SL dose. Its just one of those issues that most people with decent heroin habits have to deal with, you are not going to have full relief from the Sub for a few days. I now I've been there popping 2 mg every couple hours hoping for more relief, but in the end I realize I just ended up wasting a couple Subs in the process.

And its clear that there won't be any PWD. I don't know why you'd think it an issue at this point. Also, whats with the argument about the naloxone in Suboxone in this thread, the OP made it apparent she had 'tex. No need to bring up that well beaten and dead horse.
 
Chinggis said:
But isn't it naloxone's full antagonistic properties that result in Precipitated-AWS when injected into an opiate tolerant person?
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No. Bupe has a much higher binding affinity than naloxone, so it can not get through to your receptors. It is a common misconception that naloxone is what causes PW's, when it is actually the buprenorphine itself. You can get precipitated withdrawals from subutex, just the same from suboxone.

They put the naloxone into suboxone to deter IV use, but I guess didn't realize that it wasn't going to be active anyway because of bupe binding affinity.

The affinity is so much stronger with bupe, that in cases of bupe overdose, it takes up to 10x the normal naloxone dose to start to reverse respiratory depression and bring you out of an OD.
 
Just to clear things up guys. This is DIRECTLY from the Suboxone instruction manual ( aka. Consumer Information insert) " SUBOXONE can cause opioid withdrawal symptoms if administered to an addicted patient 4 HOURS after the last use of the addicting drug. { not 12 hours or 12 days } -3rd paragraph from the bottom on the front page. So with this out of the way. The ONLY reason naloxone was added to Subs is so the the FDA could approve it as a safe "take home" maintenance drug that any physician can prescribe. Unlike special licences needed for Methadone. Also to be able to make Suboxone legally, so Subutex couldnt sue. Therefore the naloxone was probably added to quicken the life of poor hepatic patients liver and crank feelings of depression to 11. it does absolutely nothing after your 3rd time when you begin daily treatment, you might be getting 100% of it.. but remember. In reality your mU receptor is going to get 40% of a disappointment no matter how much of the stuff you take. So PLEASE don't shoot Suboxone. Have you seen the amount of white CRAP going into your body.. and i forgot the mention the Intense Rush of stale lemon zest in the back of your throat.. YUMM. Bupe is there to help you. So dont destroy your body because you have nothing to substitute for a high. That shit WILL kill you! Sorry for sounding like a dick but i think its important information to pass out. And im not preaching, i understand why it was asked, ive been there myself.
 
It truly amazes me how much misinformation is spread around regarding Suboxone and buprenorphine in general. Just last week I had someone tell me "oh dude, you should try to get subutex, there's no opiate blocker in there! You can still get high without the blocking effect!" This was in a fucking recovery group so of course people take and retain that information. Luckily there was someone there with half a brain who actually agreed with me when I explained that the buprenorphine itself caused the blocking effect and PWD not naloxone. We saved 4 people from hopefully spreading more bullshit.
 
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