Kratom dosing with a tolerance

[falsifiedhypothesi]

Brief History: I have used hydrocodone in the form of 10/325 on and off for the past year. I've never binged aside from a small 3 day tramadol binge over a year ago. I have a small tolerance and 30mg of hydro will have me struggling to stay awake and feeling pretty damn awesome.
I ordered some kratom from a seemingly legitimate supplier. Although I have never ordered nor used kratom before, so I have no way of verifying the legitimacy of the vendor.

So these are my concerns;

1. How much kratom (grams) should one need to match 20-30 mg of hydrocodone, assuming the kratom has a moderate to high alkaloid content?

2. How does kratom affect tolerance? (how quickly does it increase, and how it affects the tolerance of other opioids)

Thank you

 

[Delsyd]

1) 8-10g should have you feeling pretty good.

2) Other opiates affect your tolerance to Kratom more than Kratom affects your tolerance to other opiates.

 

[Rexeh]

It all depends on the strain / variety of Kratom: Malaysian, Bali, Thai, Indonesian etc. all have different effects profiles. I have been using Kratom for over a month now (dosing 2 days in a row then letting 3 days at a minimum pass before using again.

With your tolerance I would not go for the high dosages but try 1-2 grams first, you can always take more but you can't take less eh? Also when dealing with stronger varieties like Thai Kratom (3-5 grams I'd recommend) / Maeng Da Kratom (1-2 grams is the recommended dosage for this strain, and that is good enough for me with a daily 140+ mg OxyContin habit so tolerance isn't the issue here) / Resin extracts / x15 extracts you can actually overdose and get nauseous or will throw up. So start low and work your way up, it's not like Kratom is all that expensive either.

IMHO tolerance to Kratom occurs within a couple of days so you don't want to use it more than 2-3 times a week since you can get addicted to Kratom just like any other Opiate / Opioid. There is a cross-tolerance with other Opiates but your tolerance is pretty low compared to most people that use Kratom on this board. You should check out the Kratom mega threads which you can find using the search engine, gives a lot of good information.

Hope this post was helpful.


--» Peace o/

 

[dmarie562]

1) 8-10g should have you feeling pretty good.

8-10 grams is not a good dosage to start at. Kratom is not in the same category as hydrocodone so you can not compare your tolerance, you want to figure out your correct dosage and start with a lower dose. I personally take 2 1/2-3 grams when I take Kratom. everyone is different but start maybe at 2 grams or 1 1/2 and if it feels to strong try cutting back .5 grams or 1 gram and vice-verse if it doesn't feel strong enough try adding a 1 or 1/2 a gram until you find what works for you. Everyone is different when it comes to Kratom. Hope this helps8)

 

[falsifiedhypothesi]

I didn't think kratom could be so powerful thanks for the warning. I'm getting some premium Indonesian in a few days, I'm not yet sure of the quality so I will be sure to titrate slowly.

 

[blight12]

I messed up my tolerance a year back with extracts and high doses, to the point when even the best shit dod nothing except for extreme anxiety, waited a year without using any opiate and now I am fucking loving making tea with a lot of crushed leaves (not powder), straining and drinking over about 7 hours. Prob 7 grams of leaves simmered for 10 mins and strained into 1.5 l to drink over a extended period of time.

Been doing that for 3 weeks, 3 times a week and have had no tolerance or issues. I am so so happy i can use Kratom again, its amazing stuff in lower doses due to the clear headed euphoric calm stimulation. Amazing for working and general mental performance enhancement, to me its like what amps should be, a magical combo of stimulation, GABA mental enhancement and opiate type euphoria for the motivation. Its perfect. I actually cannot describe how happy I am that i can use Kratom again.

Do not risk your tolerance, its never worth the few powerful H type highs you will get before you loose the low dose magic for months or years. My biggest mistake was expecting Kratom to be an opiate and trying to dose it to be that for me.

Now I use it for what it is, which is a completely unique combination of upper/downer effects and when you realize thats its value, you can really start to enjoy it safely with the correct expectations.

 

[falsifiedhypothesi]

Just got the kratom today! I let 2 grams sit in lemon lime water for half an hour, mixing occasionally. then strained through a coffee filter. The taste wasn't bad but that is probably because I used so much water with so little material.

It's been about 2 hours since ingestion and I have mild euphoria and very slight nausea. The come-up came with a little bit of anxiety but I quickly shook it off as the positive effects took hold.

I would relate the experience to about 10 - 15 mg of hydrocodone. I honestly didn't it expect it to work as well as it is. I think I might increase the dose to 3-4 grams next time.

 

[falsifiedhypothesi]

I'm glad to hear that kratom didn't permanently lose its magic for you. I am hoping that tolerance doesn't build too rapidly with this plant.

 

[Bman2]

The thing to know about kratom is that it's so dependent on the particular batch you have. That's why you should always order from a reputable site online and avoid headshops if you can. Also another thing most people don't understand about kratom is that sometimes less is more. Simply taking larger doses isn't always the answer. I've had unbelievable experiences off just a couple grams, while I've taken 15g to no effect. WHen people don't feel anything off 5-8 grams they tend to double or triple their dose and still get disappointed. In reality, it's probably not attributed to what they think is a 'low dosage'. Some strains are better for euphoria, some are more about giving you energy. Kratom has a ceiling and it's not about dosing higher and higher until you get the effect, but rather hitting that sweet spot with the right strain. The state of your digestive system at the time of dosage might be the biggest factor. If you take kratom on a full stomach, it will damper the effects immensely. Kratom will not raise your tolerance as much as oxy, although it's certainly doing more harm than good, but that's how it is whenever you throw something on your receptors. There is a cross tolerance. As far as feeling like 30mg of oxy, I find I get that effect about once out of every 3 times. (when I get a good batch of bali and take on an empty stomach) Keep in mind I have a high tolerance. Back when I was naive to all opiates, I would get an amazing buzz off kratom almost every time.

 

[blight12]

Yeah the tolerance stays at what your using, you use more powerful shit and it moves up there, any extracts can kill powder for you quickly. I have had no tolerance or issues recently with the tea even using 3 days in a row and over like 7 hours of each day, no tolerance, no hangover, no bad effects like anxiety which i always got.

I wouldn't push it over 3 days though. 1 day on 1 day off also seems to be working fine. Right now its the only drug i wish i could actually take everyday, its just so damn useful.