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Misc Is there any downer which isn't physically addicting?

Berdo tm1

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I just want something mild to chill out with that I don't have to worry about the consequences. Kava lasts too short.

Weed (makes me feel like Im grappling with my sanity definitely not my idea of a 'chilled out time') and alcohol I fucking hate.

What else is there?

I tried all the stupid shitty false hope ones like blue lotus, wild lettuce, kanna (best of a bad bunch). Kanna was decent to be fair but I didn't like some of the side effects and I'm not really a fan of serotonin as a neurotransmitter of choice.
 
I'm pretty sure gbl and ghb are physically addicting because they work on the GABA receptors just like benzos and alcohol
 
I've started doing 10mg of oxy 2 times a week 4 months ago,
and I feel as if it's making my pre-existing dysthymia worse.

I've also started getting headaches which I never had before.
Is that normal for oxy to cause headaches?

I've been looking into antidepressants and benzo alternatives,
because I wish i could be on something "all the time".

and the least addictive yet still effective drug I could find is called "tianeptine".
it's still not a good idea to take it every day of the week because basically your brain gets dependent on it,
and can't make itself happy anymore. it also loses it's effectiveness if you take tianeptine too often anyway.

so i'm thinking of trying tianeptine,
or maybe living life sober again... because it would probably make me feel a bit more happy in the long run.
on the other hand, sober life is kind of boring as well.

life never gets to be as fun as when the brain is flooded with that happy juice
 
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I was too young back in the day when gbl was legal in the US, but now that I am older and wiser and wouldn't touch the stuff with a ten foot pole, they sell this stuff here at the local car/electronics store I sometimes visit to pick up parts for my computer hobby. I usually grab some soldering pins, solder, wd-40, black gold ( what I call electric tape ) which can literally fix ANYTHING. I think they use it to clean tire rims or chrome engine parts.

I don't know how it was in the US, but here in Europe you could buy online pure basf gbl (free of heavy metals, toxins, ..), get some high grade NaOH and make your own GHB without any toxic contaminants and at a great price (about 1€ to get wasted).
 
I've started doing 10mg of oxy 2 times a week 4 months ago,
and I feel as if it's making my pre-existing dysthymia worse.

I've also started getting headaches which I never had before.
Is that normal for oxy to cause headaches?

I've been looking into antidepressants and benzo alternatives,
because I wish i could be on something "all the time".

and the least addictive yet still effective drug I could find is called "tianeptine".
it's still not a good idea to take it every day of the week because basically your brain gets dependent on it,
and can't make itself happy anymore. it also loses it's effectiveness if you take tianeptine too often anyway.

so i'm thinking of trying tianeptine,
or maybe living life sober again...

Firstly why don't you just take kratom as from what I read its better as an anti depressant and would be less harmful that what you're currently taking.
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Ive been sober for over a year and let me tell you im probably more depressed than ive ever been on a day to day basis. I certainly appreciate not having horrific comedowns (so those aweful freefalls are gone) but now i have nothing to look forward to in life. Any 'natural highs' like pussy or money are almost impossible to get a steady supply of and are guarded by tyrants who seem to revel in your misery and keeping you down.

Tried therapy (CBT and talking therapy), hobbies, and none of that shit would even scratch it. I dont want to be 'high all the time' but even now and then would be fine to at least give me something to aim for.

Now I am just fucking miserable all the time. At least with drugs you can reliably control when you will feel good, its just the comedowns from stims which are obscenely unacceptable to me hence why I have started to get an interest in downers. Im just afraid form what I read tho that physical withdrawal is like a monster stim comedown in that it has all the shittiness but lasts way longer. Is this true?

I think over a year of sobriety is enough to say ive given it a good try. Humans have relied on substances throughout time to 'get by' in this cruel world so I don't think it's unreasonable to want some mind altering substance to get some recreational value. Ie I dont see it as a 'product of the sick 21st century society'. Maybe it isnt the best of the best way to live but life is fucking imperfect.

Living the sober life is probably the hardest thing Ive ever tried to do. I was never a big binger or addict mind you, only took anything once every few months or so max. but when those little treats are gone there is just baron and desolate land ahead of you with no sign of respite.

Life is just so brutal and unforgiving when you don't have a substance to lean on. All the '9-5'ers have alcohol (which I hate same deal with weed) which they use as their crutch so its unfair that I have to suffer in silence. And ofc Im in a first world country and should be 'happy for my lot' as my mother says so I also feel guilty that Im miserable while 'ppl in africa are starving'.

At the moment life just seems like endless drudgery before the inevitable final release of death.
 
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Kratom great I'm on it right now, can't take most drugs because I have a drug test coming up. It is addicting though, more physically then psychologically though because of how mild it is (note I'm an exheroin addict so it's relative, if you're opioid naive you might not find it mild).
 
Picamilon might be pretty close to non-addictive though its somewhat debated, but I have not found a report of anyone getting into trouble with reasonable dosing.
 
Firstly why don't you just take kratom as from what I read its better as an anti depressant and would be less harmful that what you're currently taking.
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Ive been sober for over a year and let me tell you im probably more depressed than ive ever been on a day to day basis. I certainly appreciate not having horrific comedowns (so those aweful freefalls are gone) but now i have nothing to look forward to in life. Any 'natural highs' like pussy or money are almost impossible to get a steady supply of and are guarded by tyrants who seem to revel in your misery and keeping you down.

Tried therapy (CBT and talking therapy), hobbies, and none of that shit would even scratch it. I dont want to be 'high all the time' but even now and then would be fine to at least give me something to aim for.

Now I am just fucking miserable all the time. At least with drugs you can reliably control when you will feel good, its just the comedowns from stims which are obscenely unacceptable to me hence why I have started to get an interest in downers. Im just afraid form what I read tho that physical withdrawal is like a monster stim comedown in that it has all the shittiness but lasts way longer. Is this true?

I think over a year of sobriety is enough to say ive given it a good try. Humans have relied on substances throughout time to 'get by' in this cruel world so I don't think it's unreasonable to want some mind altering substance to get some recreational value. Ie I dont see it as a 'product of the sick 21st century society'. Maybe it isnt the best of the best way to live but life is fucking imperfect.

Living the sober life is probably the hardest thing Ive ever tried to do. I was never a big binger or addict mind you, only took anything once every few months or so max. but when those little treats are gone there is just baron and desolate land ahead of you with no sign of respite.

Life is just so brutal and unforgiving when you don't have a substance to lean on. All the '9-5'ers have alcohol (which I hate same deal with weed) which they use as their crutch so its unfair that I have to suffer in silence. And ofc Im in a first world country and should be 'happy for my lot' as my mother says so I also feel guilty that Im miserable while 'ppl in africa are starving'.

At the moment life just seems like endless drudgery before the inevitable final release of death.

honestly man, ive bene trying to find a way to describe myself for some 2 years now, and i think im going to be taking alot of what you just said and saying it to others
 
honestly man, ive bene trying to find a way to describe myself for some 2 years now, and i think im going to be taking alot of what you just said and saying it to others

Haha nice to know I 'touched' someone in some shape or form. (no homo) :P
 
GBL is like my favorite high.
The worst overdose I've ever had though. It's a tricky thing to get the doseage just right.



And I had a friend addicted to GBL. Withdrawals and everything.

Lol dunno if that fits the criteria of non physically addicting and one of the most dangerous dosage wise!

I have figured in my reading that kratom would probably the lesser evils of all the things Ive been looking into. Good safety range with good effects.

If I were to decide to take something I have been thinking it would be a toss up between antidepressants and kratom. Since kratom has a longer history of use and the withdrawals are purportedly less than anti depressants I thought that would be a better bet.

But like I say Im still too 'afraid of the unknown' to take anything :P so don't know what I will do. Just 'solider on' for the time being.
 
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