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Taking RC blotter tonight first time. Seems like no one has way of testing rc on blot

Not sure if the rules allow us to give a link to a specific lab just use google and you should find one. It's pretty easy and straight forward you just mail them a sample and they do all the lab work; it does cost a fee though.

Also if your dealer doesn't know or refuses to tell you; you should tell him to fuck off and find a better dealer.
 
Um, if you buy an 'RC' from a reputable manufacturer (read: legal, tax-paying lab, by the book), they sell a known substance.

The vast majority of RC reports are from pure chemicals sold by reputable vendors, not what someone sold them on the black market. Not only do legitimate labs know what a chemical is by synthesis method, but they also test by GC/MS and NMR.
 
cooldude9111 said:
This is all I have left... I came to the realization that 99.9% of people that talk about their "rc" experiences have no clue what rc's they have consumed either..JUST LIKE ME!!-- If you read a trip report on doi, doc, 2c x ... it's ALL hearsay and guessing--basically ALL LIES... I guess testing rc blots at professional lab is the ONLY--- I REPEAT--- ONLY way to know what rc you have. Attempting these Martha Stuart like tutorials on testing rc blots with make shift crude techniques is absolutley stupid....
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Don't assume everyone's experience is the same as yours. As PepperSocks indicated many here have a very good idea what their substances are, as they were bought from legitimate supply houses with clear documentation and traceability. As you've never once mentioned specifically what you thought you had other than some anonymous RC I assume this isn't the case with you.

You are right though that " testing rc blots at professional lab is the ONLY--- I REPEAT--- ONLY way to know what rc you have" as - depending on sources - errors such as mislabelling (by mistake or deliberately) do occur however this can be minimised by knowing your source & carrying out basic reagent testing as a precaution.

Reagent testing isn't intended to - and cannot - positively identify a substance, it can only indicate where it's clearly something other than you expect it to be. Hence it's precautionary only. You should never rely on reagents to identify a substance, only to confirm your existing understanding of it's identity gained through research & good contacts.

If you don't have any idea about what your substance is other than "RC blotter" than reagent testing can't help you. If you seriously consider taking it I don't know if anything can help you.
 
PepperSocks said:
Um, if you buy an 'RC' from a reputable manufacturer (read: legal, tax-paying lab, by the book), they sell a known substance.

The vast majority of RC reports are from pure chemicals sold by reputable vendors, not what someone sold them on the black market. Not only do legitimate labs know what a chemical is by synthesis method, but they also test by GC/MS and NMR.
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but i mean, its not like you're buying the stuff from sigma aldrich. these compounds are being produced, by and large, by chinese shanty labs that are not beyond shipping inferior product and misrepresenting/falsifying NMR data.

cooldude9111 said:
You are absolutely right!!!!!! -- Now give me name and instructions of what lab to send it to !!! -- Probably not that easy
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send it to ecstasydata.org

they will test it for a fee. see their website for details

there. its that easy :)
 
Forgot about ecstasydata, good call.

Roger&Me said:
but i mean, its not like you're buying the stuff from sigma aldrich. these compounds are being produced, by and large, by chinese shanty labs that are not beyond shipping inferior product and misrepresenting/falsifying NMR data.
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Yeah, I know. I don't think those that supply NMR data are falsifying though. Most simply don't supply it, those that do seem more concerned in identification and well being. There is of course the possibility they're just doing that to make themselves look good, but I think if they didn't care they'd be able to sell regardless of whether they post analysis or not.

The one possible Chinese shanty lab I was unsure of (illegal substance to boot) I marquis tested and it was positive for what it was supposed to be. Dosage and effects also were congruent with what it was supposed to be.

I think the majority of labs deliver what they sell. The 2C-B-Fly/Br-DFLY misrepresentation fiasco goes to show how that's not always the case. I would also hate to get DOI after ordering 2C-I and then take 20mg. Knock on wood, I guess most of us have been lucky, and the people we buy from exercise care and ethics. The thing is most are purchased not direct from chinese lab, but by middle-man. That retail level supplier is usually the one that does the testing.
 
All from ebay

Melting point apparatus; $99 http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trk...kw=melting+point+apparatus&_sacat=0&_from=R40

UV /Visible Absorbance spectrophotmeter; $476 http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Visible...838?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f2327d5c6

Infrared Spectrophotometer; $370 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Perkin-Elme...409?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4cfad37479

This is what I would consider as bottom of the line for home analysis, and I mean bottom of the line. OP, you really are looking for someone to hold your hand in my opinion; apologies if I've got that wrong. In terms of self determination unless you want to spend more $, you're either going to have to rely on presumptive tests (Mercke, Marquis, UV floursecence, etc).

Tom
 
^lol op was having a conniption fit about reagent testing, i highly doubt he would know what to do with an IR spectrometer
 
Roger&Me said:
^lol op was having a conniption fit about reagent testing, i highly doubt he would know what to do with an IR spectrometer
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True, but I was attempting to counter his assertion that users could not determine with some accuracy what they have (purity, presence of certain functional groups, etc), and on the 'cheap'.

Tom
 
Roger&Me said:
but i mean, its not like you're buying the stuff from sigma aldrich. these compounds are being produced, by and large, by chinese shanty labs that are not beyond shipping inferior product and misrepresenting/falsifying NMR data.



send it to ecstasydata.org

they will test it for a fee. see their website for details

there. its that easy :)
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Good try, but not going to work. I'm not rich like you so I don't have the $150.00 dollars it costs and 3-4 weeks to wait EACH time I get a batch of new RC blots I wanna test-- the damn things will probably lose potency by the time I wait for the results. Plus, they have a disclaimer saying "we don't test LSD" .. just in case I actually do have a sample that contains LSD.


To all of you who say "HURRR DURR, JUST ASK YOUR DEALER AND TELL HIM TO TELL YOU DA TRUTH!!! OR TELL HIM SEE YA LATER"

-- Are you a Fu**ing moron or something? You think I'm going to trust to anything a dealer says? It's a Fu**ing drug dealer-- a fu**ing guy who SELLS AND PROCESSES ILLEGAL DRUGS FOR A CAREER!! -- you guys act like there are dealers out there who are also part-time lawyers and doctors. The only thing a dealer is good for is the 5 minutes he is in my house to deliver my product. Man you guys must be noobs (the people who have stated the above).
 
dude i already told you how to reagent test the blotters

extract into a mL or two of water, test that water with mecke and marquis. if no reaction, test with ehrlich

and quit freaking out, this isn't that big of a deal
 
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Roger&Me said:
but i mean, its not like you're buying the stuff from sigma aldrich. these compounds are being produced, by and large, by chinese shanty labs that are not beyond shipping inferior product and misrepresenting/falsifying NMR data.



send it to ecstasydata.org

they will test it for a fee. see their website for details

there. its that easy :)
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Roger&Me said:
dude i already told you how to reagent test the blotters

extract into a mL or two of water, test that water with mecke and marquis. if no reaction, test with ehrlich

and quit freaking out, this isn't that big of a deal
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Obviously you didn't read prior posts of mine here... THAT DIDN'T WORK FOR ME! ALREADY TRIED!
 
Solipsis said:
Exactly, use Marquis and Ehrlich's reagent or both. Refer to this thread:
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/498199-The-Big-amp-Dandy-Research-Chemicals-on-Blotters-Thread

We have already pointed you there before and as is explained in that thread we are pretty strict about discussion on this topic elsewhere. Especially with you freaking out and being disrespectful to respected PD-ers.

Now please let us know you comprehend so this thread can be closed.
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C'mon I am not being disrespectful! We are all talking about illegal drugs here -- we're not talking about flowers and food cooking --

sorry though, I will try to tone it down...
 
cooldude9111 said:
Obviously you didn't read prior posts of mine here... THAT DIDN'T WORK FOR ME! ALREADY TRIED!
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If you were unable to differentiate the substance based on reagent tests then there is literally nothing else you can do without sending it to a lab, end of fucking story dude, and yes you were being disrespectful. There are quite a few substances which could fit on those blotters and simple reagent testing is far from a perfect/entirely accurate method, which is why labs/universities spend tens of thousands of dollars on equipment like an NMR spectrometer to identify substances with certainty.
 
If those tests aren't working, you could always ask over at ukchemicalsresearch.org. A few of the members there are pretty knowledgeable about RCs and their identification, they *may* be able to help you - but I'm not sure you could get much more help there than you would here.
 
cooldude9111 said:
To all of you who say "HURRR DURR, JUST ASK YOUR DEALER AND TELL HIM TO TELL YOU DA TRUTH!!! OR TELL HIM SEE YA LATER"

-- Are you a Fu**ing moron or something? You think I'm going to trust to anything a dealer says? It's a Fu**ing drug dealer-- a fu**ing guy who SELLS AND PROCESSES ILLEGAL DRUGS FOR A CAREER!! -- ... The only thing a dealer is good for is the 5 minutes he is in my house to deliver my product. Man you guys must be noobs (the people who have stated the above).
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Then why the hell would you buy anything from them in the first place if you have absolutely no trust what you're buying is what he says it is.
 
For apparent lack of better options? In other words mild desperation? I guess it's better than nothing, otherwise it would indeed be kind of silly.
Still, any dealer worth his salt at least tells you what purportedly is in his blotters, powders or pills. Only at the lowest level of ignorance would you have people just randomly buying "generic drugs" to get "generally high".
OK apologies if that was judgemental but IMO that would be accurate.




Well then, this is the last attempt of me trying to help you as all other avenues seem to be exhausted (and people keep trying to emphasize the same number of things that you apparently cannot accept).

I read the posts and you have not explained why the reagent tests didn't work. There are IMO only a couple possible reasons for it.

1. You extracted the hit correctly and used the reagents correctly but there was no color reaction. Which would mean you either got bunk stuff (no drug present) or possibly compounds like NBOMe's that are not that soluble in the solvent you are using. At least the Ehrlich's test should be conclusive (as a preliminary test) because LSD or 5-MeO-AMT salt usually do not have solubility issues in most if not all commonly used solvents and the indole would show pink / purple. DOX should also show with Marquis. You probably won't find insoluble freebase forms of DOX since they are nasty oils.
2. You did not do the procedure correctly and for example used so much solvent that any color reaction would be rendered invisible due to the dilution.
3. Also I hope you used different blotter hits for each test.

You can either be sure that there is no better way to do the test than you did which would mean accepting that you at least don't have LSD or DOX and may not even have anything else. Then proceed and base your decisions on having some potential NBOMe, or nothing, but still uncertainty that would make people anxious with good reason.

You can also redo the test. I direct you for the last time to that Research Chemicals on Blotters thread (find the link at least 2 other times in the thread, if you yourself in fact read it, or checked the links provided) and find that in the most recent pages details about blotter extraction were already asked about.

That is about as good as we can do. If you don't have trustworthy dealers nor money for actual analysis and you are not approaching reagent tests in a calm and scientific manner, describing what happened - then sorry that's that. It sucks. But what do you expect us to do about it at that point?

Tell us step by step about the relevant actions you performed that "did not work" so that we can deterministically analyze every angle and wrap it up. Or alternatively you can complain about life being unfair and we'll just call it a day.

(P.S. the scene of research chemicals may be pretty obscure and certain types of drugs from certain types of vendors - say some euphoriant powder - have indeed been proven to frequently contain all sorts of other shit that are supposed to approximate expected effects. But this large degree of uncertainty is not present everywhere. In my country simple forms of lab analysis are free and I have just had the luck to find legit chems in the far majority of cases, especially psychedelics. I do admit the blotter situation today is a bit of a mess though, especially where there is not enough actual acid to begin with, to compete with other chems put on blotter. However please don't project your difficult situation on the entire world, not every trip report on the net is invalidated by your misfortunes.)
 
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