Navy warship HMAS Melbourne makes second African drug bust - Over 2 Tonnes

spacejunk said:
So you blame the troops for following orders?
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Yes. They need to accept that responsibility for themselves as well and work past it and not go on living as victims.

This does not relieve authority figures of responsibility, but having followers willing to submit to your command also contributes to their feeling of, "I must be doing the right thing".
 
neversickanymore said:
Oh thank god, I thought they meant all those crimes happening in that little bay of Cuba..

Torture is torture even if it leaves no visible marks.
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The President is military personnel. The commanders of the prison. The guards.

The victims were prisoners and part of the military theater. What happened in Cuba was not "active combat" but holding prisoners of war is a military action and a direct part of the war.

I believe they killed a man, they certainly left scars in the legs of some victims.
 
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They're not classed as POWs so the US military is not bound by the Geneva convention.
Hence their torture, years of indefinite confinement, barbaric drugging and other forms of medieval cruelty.
What about...
Abu Ghraib?
"Weapons of mass destruction"

American war crimes go back (at least) to the Second World War.
The examples are too many to list.

So, how about you look at your own country before making statements condemning poor countries (as opposed to crumbling superpowers with great numbers of people living in poverty, despite having the world's most advanced military?) before smugly derailing yet another thread?
 
pmoseman said:
The President is military personnel. The commanders of the prison. The guards.

The victims were prisoners and part of the military theater. What happened in Cuba was not "active combat" but holding prisoners of war is a military action and a direct part of the war.

I believe they killed a man, they certainly left scars in the legs of some victims.
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Hmm when was the last time the US declared war? guess its all coming down to some classification then.. word words words.. no words or classifications change what the actions done there were.. they were unjust.
 
pmoseman said:
and not go on living as victims
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That's screamingly ironic considering your whole persona here is one of victimhood, poor poor pmoseman, took some drugs and got depressed and now wears her victimhood on her sleeve. Boo hoo.
 
consider being on the boarding party and how you could ship yourself a couple pounds home.
 
spacejunk said:
They're not classed as POWs so the US military is not bound by the Geneva convention.
Hence their torture, years of indefinite confinement, barbaric drugging and other forms of medieval cruelty.
What about...
Abu Ghraib?
"Weapons of mass destruction"

American war crimes go back (at least) to the Second World War.
The examples are too many to list.

So, how about you look at your own country before making statements condemning poor countries (as opposed to crumbling superpowers with great numbers of people living in poverty, despite having the world's most advanced military?) before smugly derailing yet another thread?
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I am aware of the footing and did not say POWs, though some were.

American war crime has been rather well documented for centuries. Don't you think just murder is wrong?

Are you ignoring the genocides?

bit_pattern said:
That's screamingly ironic considering your whole persona here is one of victimhood, poor poor pmoseman, took some drugs and got depressed and now wears her victimhood on her sleeve. Boo hoo.
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That personae is your fiction.

neversickanymore said:
Hmm when was the last time the US declared war? guess its all coming down to some classification then.. word words words.. no words or classifications change what the actions done there were.. they were unjust.
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Couldn't agree more. March 2011.
 
spacejunk said:
Bullshit
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"I am aware of the footing and did not say [they were] POWs, though some were."

The detainees were prisoners from the War on Terrorization and being held in a military prison; that does not mean they were acting under a military unit. They were not "prisoners of war" as defined by the Convention, though they still had the same protection as POWs and it was a war crime.

The issue over jurisdiction got ugly but nothing makes the torture of any person legal under the Constitution of the United States.

What kind of person would make use of such a minute detail and then willfully ignore the secret genocide in their own country?
 
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You're lucky you quoted that before she edited it out spacejunk.

How many trolls have been banned from Bluelight in the past for being purposefully obtuse, argumentative and generally disruptive to the community?

spacejunk said:
pmoseman has now been successfully added to your ignore list.
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Welcome.
 
I don't know; I guess it takes reported posts and mod action to make it happen.

I'm only going to respond to stupid bullshit if the person is a genuinely stupid bullshitter, worthy of engaging and attempting to set straight.
Trolls aren't even that; just pathetic and attention seeking.
 
How do you do the ignore list? I know I should know but I haven't eaten for over 48 hours and can't quite figure it out
 
Click on the person's name ----> view profile ----> add to ignore list (link on the left hand side of the page, under "send a private message").
Don't think I've ever done it before, but few trolls involve themselves in subforums that inspire intelligent conversation.
I'm happy to be disagreed with - and engaged with logic - but I've had enough of this one - *yawn*.
 
Wow, a warship to seize drugs. Man this war is hard and tough against the drugs. Watch out, heroin has a mass array of highly motivated troops armed with weapons of mass destruction and its ally, cocaine, also has a hand in selling weapons to other drugs and their groups.

Fucking waste of money, when will people wake up and realize busts don't mean shit? The black market is way too big and lucrative to stop. They can not keep drugs out of ONE PRISON in the entire United States, and they are attempting to keep drugs off the streets? Wow.

The poor countries that rely on drug production will never be able to catch up to first world countries when the state of world is like this. If drugs are legalized and the governments of those nations can capitalize on the industry, it will make it better, but still, it will not catch up. The way the neo-capitalist globalized world works right now, needs, read, NEEDS to have a poor class of people that equal the majority. On a global scale, this means entire nations struggling in poverty. If the poor don't exist, then true native Capitalism fails. Poverty is the heart and soul of Capitalism.
 
^ what are you talking about?
Capitalism has no soul!!


Agreed though - poor people and poor nations are a necessary component of this fucked up system. The navy makes sure no poor people get to Australia on boats either :(
 
So let me get this straight.

Do countries produce/transit/consume drugs because they are impoverished, or do they become impoverished because they produce/transit/consume drugs; just what is going on exactly, with the drugs and poverty?
 
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