4-aco-dmt, 4-aco-met, 25i-NBOMe questions

[TheStranglerFish]

So, after having taken what I believe was legit LSD at a festival, I was pretty determined to acquire more for a long time. I finally found some not too long ago, but it turns out it's 25i-NBOMe. My assumption is that they are less than 1000ug, as several reports of 1500ug seem to be more intense than what I experience when I take 2 tabs, and even the one time I took 3 was visual but nothing like others make it out to be imo. I've grown bored of it already, I want to experience a breakthrough. Given that I'm currently pretty impatient about figuring out whether or not it's exactly safe to order mimosa hostilis and start learning how to extract (I don't really trust myself to fry eggs, so I'd have to get a buddy who has grown mushrooms on board to help make sure we don't botch it), I decided to look for alternatives. Stuff that while it may not be as potent as DMT, is certainly more potent than 25i. I ended up ordering 100mg of 4-aco-dmt and 4-aco-met.
Usually I had taken the NBOMe tabs with a buddy, but the last time I tripped (having just read the psychedelic experience) I took 2 tabs of nbome and laid with my eyes closed in bed. I wasn't able to lay still for very long, perhaps only the first 45 minutes - 1 hour of the trip, however it has so far been one of the most interesting experiences I've had on any psychedelic. I'm curious, what are your preferred activities for these 2 substances? Are they good for solo tripping, do you ever feel the need for company, etc?
Also, until those 2 arrive, I'm going to make use of the NBOMe tabs as if the things I ordered go well, I don't think I'll be buying anymore. Just wondering, is it potentially a bad idea for me to drop say 4-5 tabs? Given that I'm not sure how much is on each tab, it's tough to say because 5 tabs could be somewhere between 2500ug - 5000ug. Also, I'm not really sure when it becomes "too much", when does it become risky?
P.S - When I get the 4-aco-dmt and 4-aco-met, what would be good recommended starting doses? Erowid claims 8-20mg is common, seems like a pretty big range. As I've only ordered 100mg, I'll be wanting to make each trip worthwhile, but don't want to overdo it for starters.

 

[darkstar51474]

ahhh good ole festy L!!! you mustve struck lucky. Ive had even expereinced friends of mine been "Mystery Dosed" with some nasty chems before. But back on topic.....

Nbomes are in my opinion with the insane amount of LSD ive taken, a thin, hallow form of LSD. Ive done 25i and 25c and 25c was much more enjoyable but still lacked what I needed, IE, I dont see myself takign 25x-nbomes ever again just because the damage they potentially have on top of that. Only gone up to 1000ug on 25i and 750ug on 25c.

As for 4-aco-dmt and 4-aco-met, those are of the Tryptamine class, and are related to DMT. imo, 4-aco-dmt is one of the most amazing psychadelics I have ever tried, I even prefer it to LSD most of the time. it is easy going and extremely euphoric, but can easily turn into a difficult lesson that is going to be repeatedly hammered into your head until you get it. For example, I remember one 4-aco-dmt trip i had (65mg) I was being told telepathically by beings to stop taking xanax because of the negative karma and energy they carry and how they harm the path to shamanism.....4-aco-met ive only had 1 experience with and it was extremely odd. I dosed 17mg with 2 friends and came up within 6-8mins of snorting it. very laughy and like 4-ho-met, that is until i went by myself. I meditated and all my visuals arranged into totems of tribal spirits arrranged side by side, but theyre faces were ugly and frightening. I continually thought i was going insane, and that this was the time I had lost it. Very confused dark thinking. Will not repeat, though will not shoot down the value of it because it was sending positive messages.

now on to be alone....YES!!!!! if you can handle it. it is the most therapeutic deep thing you will ever experience, a golden psychadleic by itself. have fun :D

Dose wise for the above chems for me:

4-aco-dmt:

5-12mg - light
12-20mg - moderate
20-35mg - heavy
40mg+ - 4 hour hyperspace

4-aco-met:

Not enough experience. 17mg got me extremely high, much higher then 17mg of 4-ho-met. be cautious with this one.

 

[TheStranglerFish]

Awesome, thanks for that. Someone on another board recommended that I start with 15mg for 4-aco-dmt, for met I'm going to probably start with something like 10mg if you say 17mg fucked you right up. I've been getting much better at handling it, but I sometimes get a bit anxious on come-ups. This has at one point lead to a pretty awful (from another person's view, I personally was just prepared to die that night) trip on just 2g's of mushrooms (mind you they were the most potent I ever had, on an empty stomach with OJ which I hear increases effects). That's why I never take more than 2 - 2.5g when I am trying a new batch.

As for the NBOMe, I'm still very curious as to how high people have dosed successfully, I read somewhere that someone took about 6500 - 6750ug at a rave and basically broke through. As I just ordered stuff which is supposedly better for breaking through, I won't really be trying to do so on NBOMe but I would still like to try at least 4 tabs. Thing is, on 3 I did notice a bit of paling in my hands. Is that a sign that this should be a cut-off point, or is there still a long ways to go from slightly pale hands to a complete overdose? Should I not be risking it?

edit: has anybody successfully mixed 25i-NBOMe with mushrooms?

Dose wise for the above chems for me:

4-aco-dmt:

5-12mg - light
12-20mg - moderate
20-35mg - heavy
40mg+ - 4 hour hyperspace

4-aco-met:

Not enough experience. 17mg got me extremely high, much higher then 17mg of 4-ho-met. be cautious with this one.

 

[sekio]

IMO, anything more than about 2mg of any NBOMe is asking for trouble (or indicative of a massive tolerance). They're not incredibly "deep" compounds for most people, and nasty side effects seem to happen more frequently at higher doses... if you want a ++++ breakthrough stick to the 4-aco.

 

[pupnik]

I have mixed nbome with LSZ and it is a good mix, more fun than either.
you don't have to dose into any danger zone to get 25-i-nbome's fun happening,
and you can take as much LSZ as you like or dare for the wiggy stuff.

 

[TheStranglerFish]

I have mixed nbome with LSZ and it is a good mix, more fun than either.you don't have to dose into any danger zone to get 25-i-nbome's fun happening, and you can take as much LSZ as you like or dare for the wiggy stuff.

Honestly the extent of the fun I've had on 25-i-nbome's is giddiness and lots of random sparkles and glitters and trace visuals. Also I tend to see sort of glow in the dark indigo indian gems on girls faces, in swirly galaxy patterns. Have watched a girl meditate and smoky energy was rising out of her palms and sort of filling the room up, and when she opened her eyes for a split second they were bright yellow cat eyes. All very amazing at the time but none of it is very profound. For a moment when I closed my eyes last night I saw a portal of sorts, purple around the edges with bright white in the centre and it felt like I was being drawn into it, it was warm. Other than that, everything else just feels like child's play. I don't know, maybe the novelty of tripping has worn off, it's not like it used to be where I would do 2-3g of mush and stare at the moving patterns in wood-grain, in pure amazement.In any case, once I'm done with the 20 tabs or so that I've got remaining of the 25i I'm not buying anymore. I read somewhere that someone who used it frequently didn't even get any visuals from DMT after quite some time, and that just doesn't sound right

 

[Solipsis]

Heed sekio's warning: NBOMe compounds are not the ones you want to push the doses with in order to find out what is at the outer rims and beyond. People have gotten into health issues with high doses of NBOMe compounds, don't step up your doses too much especially without careful addition of increments that account for a potentially steep dose-response curve and a slim therapeutic index. In other words yes it can be dangerous.

Yes, these compounds are very effective but they may be so effective that they can cause long-term tolerance and other issues that are as you put it 'not quite right'.

Be careful with them.

12-15 mg of 4-AcO-DMT sounds fine by the way. I appreciate that you have a limited quantity ordered but test the waters first and work your way up once you got a feel for the compound. Drugs like 4-AcO-DMT can be very deep and may not be so forgiving psychologically but at least they seem to be a lot safer physically.

 

[TheStranglerFish]

12-15 mg of 4-AcO-DMT sounds fine by the way. I appreciate that you have a limited quantity ordered but test the waters first and work your way up once you got a feel for the compound. Drugs like 4-AcO-DMT can be very deep and may not be so forgiving psychologically but at least they seem to be a lot safer physically.

Thanks, I'm no longer considering taking any more than 2 tabs ever, especially not after 1 single tab made me so nauseous last night (from the same guy but different design, I believe it was much stronger than the ones I usually do). As for the 4-AcO-DMT, I will start at 12. Can't really say for sure because I have no clue what it's going to be like, but I highly doubt I'll get into hefty doses of the stuff with the first 100mg I ordered. If I get used to it and enjoy it, I can always order a larger quantity and start pushing the heavier doses. Better to start off small

 

[TheStranglerFish]

From what I've been reading, 4-AcO-DMT is actually more similar to mushrooms. Perhaps my past experiences with mushrooms have just been underwhelming (sadly my most intense trip turned out to be a bad one), but I'm worried that this means I will also be underwhelmed by 4-AcO-DMT? I guess I'm just curious as to what to expect from a breakthrough on 4-AcO-DMT, would like to get a grasp on just what can be achieved with this specific chemical.

 

[yaesutom]

I gave a first time tripper friend (who had never even smoked pot) 17mg 4-aco-dmt and she loved it, wasn't too strong but was enough for her to walk around town and still interact with sober people.

 

[TheStranglerFish]

I gave a first time tripper friend (who had never even smoked pot) 17mg 4-aco-dmt and she loved it, wasn't too strong but was enough for her to walk around town and still interact with sober people.

Sounds decent, however is it possible to have trips so intense that you CAN'T walk around, that you are pretty much out of your body?