Mr.Scagnattie
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I never got into the energy drinks or energy drink booze. I'm a pretty simple drinker. Bourbon and scotch. That's about it.
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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine Mega Thread and FAQ v17.0 + v18.0
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Buprenorphine
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Hey Guys first post here.
Anyway. I have been on Suboxone for 4 years almost 5.. So for the most part I use to take the tablet 8/2 the orange one. Then I went to the Strip like most did and ever since I been on this Strip 8/2 it sux. So I just found about this new Zubsolv or whatever.. Does anybody know what the price would be estimate for 50 a month of the 5.7 zubsolv's. Anyway how would I go by telling my doctor I want to switch to this new formulation and also if I take 8/2 subs how do they know how much of the 5.7 zubsolvs to put me on a month? Any ideas guys on these questions?
Anyway. I have been on Suboxone for 4 years almost 5.. So for the most part I use to take the tablet 8/2 the orange one. Then I went to the Strip like most did and ever since I been on this Strip 8/2 it sux. So I just found about this new Zubsolv or whatever.. Does anybody know what the price would be estimate for 50 a month of the 5.7 zubsolv's. Anyway how would I go by telling my doctor I want to switch to this new formulation and also if I take 8/2 subs how do they know how much of the 5.7 zubsolvs to put me on a month? Any ideas guys on these questions?
Sorry not sure but welcome to the forum.
Wow, subutex impressed me this morning getting rid of all the heroin withdrawals. I thought I would feel happy, not the void of sadness and emptiness. Bollocks. I don't know what is worse now. :/ My partner is heavily addicted and I feel like I have lost him now I'm not using. All we did was smoke together and bond over it.. Now I'm alone as hell.
Wow, subutex impressed me this morning getting rid of all the heroin withdrawals. I thought I would feel happy, not the void of sadness and emptiness. Bollocks. I don't know what is worse now. :/ My partner is heavily addicted and I feel like I have lost him now I'm not using. All we did was smoke together and bond over it.. Now I'm alone as hell.
^tough to maintain a relationship when the strongest bond is created by drug use, especially heroin. don't let the situation suck you back into using h if you are truly set on stopping it.
you said the sub got rid of all w/d, but you are feeling very sad/empty? that is pretty common the first couple days, it gets better. go do some physical activity, a nice walk of jog helps.
you said the sub got rid of all w/d, but you are feeling very sad/empty? that is pretty common the first couple days, it gets better. go do some physical activity, a nice walk of jog helps.
Mr.Scagnattie
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Yeah very tough. Junky relationships almost never work.. and I know, I've had many. You just end up destroying each other.
Eveleivibe
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Oh I wish I could sort this mobile version on my iPhone I've tried to post here and the post has simply gone.
Here goes the re-write
As most know I went through a phase of drinking heavily on suboxone when I was taken 8 mg. From this experience, and as a means of harm reduction, I would advise that if anyone is on suboxone to take caution when drinking or limit it as much as possible (preferably not drink at all). Sorry if this comes across as being preachy in any way when I was drinking heavily it really affected my moods. I became depressed and self-destructed. I tried to OD over the tiniest thing that I would think was a big deal, had major mood swings by drinking and using suboxone. As most know when I went on 12 mg I stabilised because I stopped the heavy drinking.
It can be extremely dangerous to drink on suboxone, nothing of that nature happened to me but that doesn't mean to say it wouldn't have happened if I hadn't have continued or that it could not happen to someone else. I just wanted to say this because I don't want to see anyone die or seriously hurt by doing so. Mixing downers can have devastating affects like respiratory depression so it's always best to take caution if you are going to do this.
All the best
Evey xxxx
Here goes the re-write
As most know I went through a phase of drinking heavily on suboxone when I was taken 8 mg. From this experience, and as a means of harm reduction, I would advise that if anyone is on suboxone to take caution when drinking or limit it as much as possible (preferably not drink at all). Sorry if this comes across as being preachy in any way when I was drinking heavily it really affected my moods. I became depressed and self-destructed. I tried to OD over the tiniest thing that I would think was a big deal, had major mood swings by drinking and using suboxone. As most know when I went on 12 mg I stabilised because I stopped the heavy drinking.
It can be extremely dangerous to drink on suboxone, nothing of that nature happened to me but that doesn't mean to say it wouldn't have happened if I hadn't have continued or that it could not happen to someone else. I just wanted to say this because I don't want to see anyone die or seriously hurt by doing so. Mixing downers can have devastating affects like respiratory depression so it's always best to take caution if you are going to do this.
All the best
Evey xxxx
LSDiesel
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Man, sometimes I fucking hate buperenorphine. I feel like shit all the time on it, which makes me relapse and take heroin. Now, I know that I'm not letting myself get the "full saturation" of true suboxone maintenence, but I actually feel worse on higher doses than lower often. I'ts because I feel like such shit that I justify taking heroin. I almost feel like I'd rather maintain with kratom if I could get away with it.
Actually, right around the time I joined BL I was maintaining on kratom.
Actually, right around the time I joined BL I was maintaining on kratom.
StealYourFace
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After the initial relief of taking sub, the first couple days are no picnic. After like day 3 or 4, I feel like a champion. Everyones different.
All I can say is that zubsolv is cheaper, it'll differ depending on insurance, nobody can answer you on that. As far as telling your doctor, all you have to do is just that. Tell the truth. You don't like the strips, and you wanna try something else. The conversion for zubsolv is one 5.7 is equal to an 8mg strip.
@evel: I have never experienced any negative effects from drinking on sub, neither have any of my friends who are on sub either. As far as respiratory depression goes, I've been smashed and on sub before, it wasn't present. Maybe benzos would be dangerous but alcohol doesn't seem to matter from my experience.
@kace: power through it, I hate to say it but you might wanna consider getting away for a while, having someone get lit infront of me while I'm on treatment would be hella difficult for me.
Eveleivibe
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Can I please ask what dose you are on? With bupe, and pretty much any drug really, people react differently to it. Can I ask how you feel when you are on the lower doses? If it is a lot better then maybe for you it is better to be on lower doses. If you felt better than on higher doses but still not good then maybe you are better on something else. Have you ever tried or considered methadone, for instance? A few people on here have actually said they felt better on methadone than they did on suboxone, that the bupe never agreed with them and maybe this is the case for you. If you are ok with the lower doses of suboxone, however, then maybe it's best that you cut your dose?
For me it is more the psychological issues as in the cravings thus I am better on a higher dose. There are people that disagree with this and I am slowly learning that it's ok for people to have these opinions and not to get defensive in regards to them. My point with this is to point out that we are all different in how we react to bupe.
I hope you feel better soon and please don't feel bad about relapsing. We've all done it, it's part of the process and I hope you get this sorted for you so that you stabilised and better in yourself.
Evey xxxx
EDIT: Sorry PKPro I seen a conversation re drink and suboxone and with this being a harm reduction site, I felt it extremely important to mention it as there are people who look at BL from Google, and I wouldn't want someone naïve to suboxone thinking it OK to drink and go on suboxone that's all just a HR thing.
bukweat
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When I was on subs it was like something was amiss. Like waiting for the other shoe to drop. Bupe is, or was, a strange drug for me. There was a void there. I have days now when I'm perfectly happy with everything. I am thankful for the time it gave me to get my shit together.
My junky brain is still alive though telling me that when I have repaired all of the damage I can use again. Only responsibly this time. What a bitch. On a conscious level I know how bogus and scary that thinking is.
My junky brain is still alive though telling me that when I have repaired all of the damage I can use again. Only responsibly this time. What a bitch. On a conscious level I know how bogus and scary that thinking is.
For some reason sub,more than other opioids, had a more negative impact on how well I could process info/understand others. I think a lot of it has to do with emotions. The first few weeks on subs I had access to some emotion but since then I am basically dead.
As far as sub vs heroin withdrawal- It's difficult to say this for certain but Id most likely take heroin withdrawal, of any severity, over what I am going through now. At least with dope you usually feel well enough after a week and there's a somewhat clear progression after day 3-4, subs is a moderate form of torture that seems to have no progress and no end.
As far as sub vs heroin withdrawal- It's difficult to say this for certain but Id most likely take heroin withdrawal, of any severity, over what I am going through now. At least with dope you usually feel well enough after a week and there's a somewhat clear progression after day 3-4, subs is a moderate form of torture that seems to have no progress and no end.
Ah, I almost forgot about 'Tilt' which was what I ended up alternating my drinking nights with. At first they were in the 16oz cans like the 'Sparks' but then they switched to the 24s to compete with 4 lokos, and came out with all different flavors like them.
One of the main things I remember about those 24oz Tilts was that they came out the other end the same color that they went in.
My friend had told me about that and then after drinking either a blue or green one (or maybe it was a mixture of the two colors like turquoise) I dropped a duece and didn't flush at first and when I looked in the bowl after a few minutes I saw that the water had turned a blue/green. Whatever was in those things could not have been good.
I only had one summer of drinking 4 lokos, bit trust me that was enough. This was a few years after getting off the suboxone, and I didn't have a dope habbit but was still drinking a decent amount so my alcohol tolerance was up there but boy did those things get me banged up.
I never really remembered making it through 3 of them. The first one was always harsh but by the end I would have a strong enough buzz to be able to pound the second one. Then by the beginning of the third one it would really hit me, and between how rough it was on my stomach and how strong it was I would have to force down every sip after that. I would usually remember getting half way through that and then wake up the next morning without remembering passing out, and there was almost always still some of it left in the can. This seemed to be the norm with those things, as most people that I spoke to that drank them a decent amount had the same experience as me with getting wasted off of 2, but then blacking out when they pushed their luck by going for 3.
One of, if not the only time since becoming a regular drinker in college that I actually threw up the morning after drinking was the direct result of a 4 lokos hangover. I've thrown up the night of drinking usually when I drank too fast and so I would force myself to puke to make more room and/or to feel better, but very rarely did I puke the morning after, and definitely not since my beginner drinking days in late high school / early college.
So for me to puke the morning after from that stuff considering how many times I had gotten wasted in my drinking career says a lot in regards to how horrible those things were for you, and how they most certainly lived up to their name.
BlueHues
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^Yeah there's a 2 can limit on those 4 Lokos!
At least the Tilt and the Sparks came in smaller cans, and the alcohol content was around 8%.... So for a lot of people, those were just something you could drink one of in the middle of a night of drinking other stuff, and get a little boost from the caffeine and other energy stuff while still drinking an alcoholic beverage.
But when 4Loko came out in a 24oz. can, 11-12% alc. tasting like overs-weetened Kool Aid and cheap enough to buy with the change in your couch cushions, you know you've got a winner with the hardcore alcoholics in a low-income area!
I haven't been smoking pot regularly for a long time. The rare periods I've had where I wasn't on some kind of opiate, I usually smoke pot daily...but for some reason, I've been drinking on the Suboxone instead..which I know is much worse for me. I've been smoking weed the last few days with my Sub, and I feel much happier.
At least the Tilt and the Sparks came in smaller cans, and the alcohol content was around 8%.... So for a lot of people, those were just something you could drink one of in the middle of a night of drinking other stuff, and get a little boost from the caffeine and other energy stuff while still drinking an alcoholic beverage.
But when 4Loko came out in a 24oz. can, 11-12% alc. tasting like overs-weetened Kool Aid and cheap enough to buy with the change in your couch cushions, you know you've got a winner with the hardcore alcoholics in a low-income area!
I haven't been smoking pot regularly for a long time. The rare periods I've had where I wasn't on some kind of opiate, I usually smoke pot daily...but for some reason, I've been drinking on the Suboxone instead..which I know is much worse for me. I've been smoking weed the last few days with my Sub, and I feel much happier.
How well did kratom hold you? Was this before or after you were using heroin regularly? I am really interested in hearing your perspective, because I always assumed kratom would not be a viable option for me with my tolerance. I was doing about 300mg of oxy a day when I switched to bupe. I had actually never heard of Kratom until I joined BL.
^ In response to everyone, yeah, it is pretty hard trying to be off heroin on day 2, when someone next to you is using it! It doesn't help it's on my bed, the same way we always used to, and them even making a straw for me and offering 'just a little toke'. Argh.. I wish I could get away. I can't really, but am going to try and start volunteering as I really need to get back into the real world and do something productive before I give up on subutex and go back to my junky ways.
BlueHues
Bluelighter
I've been with my GF for 6.5 years, and for over 4 we were shooting heroin every day. I'm a few years older than her, and I feel horrible for getting her into it, but we always really loved each other and still do...If it was girl already on dope when we met, that's kind of a different story....
We're both on Suboxone now for about a year...
We're both on Suboxone now for about a year...
Mr.Scagnattie
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No offense.. but there is no way you're going to stay clean living with somebody else who is using, especially around you like that. If you're at all serious about getting sober, one of you needs to go.
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