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While there is a lot of info meth and its risks, much of the info is longer term and addiction related.

I wanted to clarify my assumptions based on research specifically around the immediate dangers of the drug while it is actually in effect, so as to better monitor for immediate health/death/injury related warning signs. This is still a bit unclear to me specifically, so im not talking about long term damage/risks or addiction.

Due to different product quality levels i wont attempt to manage safe dosages through specific dosage volumes beyond basic common sense and previous potency experience and basic dosage info, but rather through actual experienced early warning signs I can identify and action if necessary.

So basically clarify how to monitor for OD level situations that should cause real concern.

This is often very difficult for me with stims as the stimulation, anxiety and paranoia can cause false alarms, fear and unecessary health related paranoia and often reduces the overall experience if your not sure exactly what to worry about and therefore stress about everything and ruin the experience, which is now happing with me due to increased levels of caution around usage.

So:

1. I often hear that amps and coke can be quite safe from small to very high doses in terms of significant immediate physical harm and risk of death directly, without first manifesting other major indicators first, like siezures. Is this true for most normal healthy users without health issues that would increase their risks?

2. Is it factual that a siezure is usually the first sign of an OD or dose level that would require medical assistance or genuine safety concerns, stopping usage etc?

3. Or are there any other any other symptoms that can indicate immediate risk and therefore recommed medical assistance of some kind or at least stopping any increase in dosage? Pehaps clearly noticable pre-siezure warning signs that are obvious? There are so many paranoia/enxiety related "symptoms" that can feel serious but are in fact normal and not a concern and can be managed if you know exactly what to watch out for.

What I really want to know as specificaly as possible is how to identify a genuine issue/od situation during your experience, subjectively, without any vitals monitoring equipment etc, hopefully before any permanent damage is caused. So any specific symptom that is experienced and should be reasonably noticable enough to rely on for properly monitoring the experience for genuine risks.

Here are some symtoms that stress me out, i would like to know the danger level of each of these and if they are real concerns in terms of short term damage/toxicity or if they are just your typical meth symptoms that should not cause concerns over OD possibility or short term health issues.

1. Heart. This causes me the greatest anxiety and heartrate always increases for me from the start, but is there a risk of a high dose or OD causing heart related damage or death specifically, or will some other major OD symptom usually always occur before serious heart related risks become a real concern. I worry about heart and cardio related issues the most due to being very unfit and overweight with a mostly sedentary lifestyle. Docs say heart and related systems are healthy though.

2. Toxicity. I dont think toxicity or poisoning is usually a risk with amps and other big issues would mainfest with OD's first, correct?

4. Brain. I think most major OD symptoms and risk of damage/death occur on this level usually resulting in short term brain related OD symptoms correct? Like the siezures.

5. Heavy vasoconstriction, blue hands and feet, icy skin etc. Have experienced this many times but as I understand its not a risk of immediate harm or death, beyond the strain it might place on the heart and blood pressure. Or is there a significant risk of a stroke or something else related to this.

6. I have often experienced concerning "convultions" on the comedown after a high dose multi day binge. The best word to describe might be convulsions or jerking limbs, uncontrollable body movements. For example i would twitch and convulse in bed while asleep and passed out on alcohol, without even realizing.

Other times when awake it would cause inaccurate body movements and flailing arms type situation. Im not talking tremors or shaking but actual whole limb/body level movement issues and control. Seems like major muscles are receiving random movement orders from the brain and actual movement orders are more inaccurate or corrupted in some way, I dont think this is what a siezure is however is that is usually shorter or has a mental or unconcious related effect as well? What I am describing seems physical only with no related mental effect besides the usual anxiety etc. Any idea what would cause this?

5. As an example, if you where to barely survive a meth OD, what specific significant permanent damage might have resulted from this?

6. What are the most common exact "causes of death" for immediate amphetamine/meth OD related deaths and/or immediate significant permanent damage/disabilities?

Edit: Also what is alcohols interaction with meth. It does seem to enhance effects slightly and help with overstim, anxiety and comedown. Also I have noticed that when used when and heavy SNS stimulation that may be unpleasant at vasoc and goosflesh levels, it seems to interact strongly with that type of situation greatly increasing the euphoria again which would have been lost at that point. Some kind of epinephrine/alcohol interaction?

Thanks!
Jarad
 
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More people die from choking on their own vomit after using meth than die from overdoses of the actual drug. Thousands of drug "overdoses" are from lack of hydration, not an overdose of the drug itself, with the exception of heroin.

DO NOT hesitate to call 911 about a possible overdose. THEY CAN INSTANTLY TRANSFER YOU TO MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS, WHO WILL ANALYZE THE OVERDOSE SYMPTOMS FREE OF CHARGE. My $3,000 hospital / ambulance bill when I OD'd on 80mgs of alprazolam was lowered to $129.00 after I did not pay for 6 months. All medical groups will send you a "last offer to settle" or something like that before they hit your credit. Collections agencies cannot do shit and they will not actually report your bad credit if you accept their offer to settle. Do not let financial concerns stop you from possibly saving someone's life.
It's funny that this was posted since my friend seriously OD'd on meth last night. Look at the overdose effects on Erowid and consider the user's intensity of the overdose symptoms. The signs of an insane dose (possibly up to 3.2 grams in under 48 hours by a regular user) seemed to be as follows. Please keep in mind I had 911 on the line and it was only because I knew the deadly OD symptoms he was showing were caused by extreme dehydration and not an actual overdose of methamphetamine pre se, although the dehydration and extreme tachecardeya was caused by the meth.

I'm a little twacked out sorry for spelling errors. All information is relevent, no twacked out bullshit :-)

Methamphetamine is poison and has all has to be processed by your liver. If you do not drink much water or even worse no water at all, the meth will stay in your system for much longer, damaging your liver and causing your heart to go into maximum overdrive to filter the drug out of your system as quickly as possible. A similar thing can be observed with alcohol - a high heart rate fatigue and dehydration the night before and during a really bad hangover.

Let me explain how this overdose happened and what the symptoms were. My friend took a 1mg Xanax pill and I was SUPER fucked up on Xanax as well, my friend went to sleep and I IV'd over 1,000mg's of STRONG, VERY GOOD methamphetamine in 300mg incriments every 5 minutes INTO MY SLEEPING FRIEND. Talk about erratic behavior caused by benzos. He would wake up for about 120 seconds after I would IV about 300mgs (his regular dose considering his tolerance), act fine and talk to me about why he was tired and then went back to sleep.

He did not wake up with any other things like slapping him or yelling, and for some reason I was worried about his heart rate being too low, but that's what Xanax does to you when taken after being up for 3 days on meth and you've just done more meth (dillude you of reality and cause you to do erratic and bizzare things). My friend then began sweating badly and I realized that his heart rate was 229 bpm, considered to be deadly for some people if maintained for an extended period of time. I poured cold water over him repeatedly until he fucking drank three eight ounce glasses of water (he insisted he was fine and was coherent for 10 seconds or so when I would dump water on him, which was the only thing that would wake him up... meth overdoses make people irrational and unaware of reality, especially if they are also in bad psychosis. He flat out refused to drink the water I offered him and went back to his nearly un-rousable sleep, he couldn't of stayed awake much longer anyway. I finally dumped A LOT of water on him and yelled at him I had 911 on the phone, which I really did. He drank the water as I was about to give 911 the last digit of our street address, and I really would of given it to the operator; overdose cases are not handled by the cops and drugs should not be a reason to delay or not call for medical advice! I've been gifted with very attuned intuition this life and I knew the water would solve his dangerously high heart rate, not sure how but I knew it.

In less than 5 minutes after drinking the water, his heart rate was down to 130 bpm, about what mine is when I take a large dose of meth. In the morning he dosed 400mg's (he's been a heavy daily user for 3 years, sad to see to be honest) and said it wasn't nearly as strong as before. He gained a huge tolerance over time. That was why I gave him more meth, which was very, very stupid and any more could of killed him. Thank god for his high tolerance. I have decided to stop all drugs and only smoke weed for a month as a result, I can fucking feel the neurotoxisity of these extreme meth doses on my brain... why don't more people do amphetamine sulphate, it's almost as euphoric if it's a good batch and doesn't fuck you up for 3-30 days. Speed has been my drug of choice for months, I eat twice a day and sleep 8 hours every night, and I exercise and drink water and take multivitamins and antioxidants. The amount of damage my friend is doing to himself isn't even comparable with my speed habit, and I really am not justifying anything, I am stopping the habit (already did for over two weeks, had a huge tolerance and was running out of IV locations, I almost never do meth). Fuck all our egos!

A huge dose of methamphetamine (well over 1.2 grams of VERY PURE crystal meth in 30 minutes and 3.0+ grams in 48 hours) (triple what a hardcore person with a tolerance would normally do) made this individual, keeping in mind he had been up for 7 days, took 1mg of Xanax and and that I didn't know he had been up for a week exhibit symptoms like:

--Lots of sweat (caused by the 1.2 grams as well as the 2+ grams he still had in his system from the day before)

--Unrousable sleep unless I dosed him with more meth like a fucking idiot, I finally came to my senses and found pouring water on him to be a better way to briefly revive him

--Heart rate at 229 BPM, possibly higher at some points in time. He also had very weak pulse and obviously low blood pressure. He is an ex-navy seal and incredibly fit and healthy. To most people, this heart rate would be deadly for an extended period of time. His heart rate was cut in half in five minutes after I forced him to drink three glasses of water with 911 on my cell and was about to give the operator the last digit of our address. I had to pour water on him to wake him up. His unconsciousness had me scared as fuck but it was caused by DEHYDRATION, not by an extreme dose of meth.

Here are the signs and symptoms of a genuine methamphetamine overdose:
Extreme anxiety about a possible overdose, especially if the user has a lot of experience with the drug.

Immediate concern about an overdose if the meth was taken any route but via IV is a reason to worry if the concern increases. Immediately showing signs of an overdose before all of the drug has reached a person's brain is a reason to worry and possibly go to the ER. If it is really bad, call an ambulance.

Consistent nausea / vomiting, keep in mind it is fairly normal to throw up once or twice if you do a large shot of meth on an empty stomach.

Significantly uncontrollable shaking, convulsions, dissuasions and / or confusions. Loss of mental control. Slight shaking is a sign of a large dose of meth, I occasionally do 100mg's with no tolerance which is the absolute largest dose I can do when 100% healthy and not throw up and shake too much. I still have noticeable body shakes and occasional convulsions at 200mg's. 100 mgs of meth is considered to be an extremely heavy dose when IV'd.

Scary and unexplainable blue patches on hands, really anywhere on the body. My girlfriend actually did almost overdose on meth on meth and random spots on her body started to turn dark blue, including her entire right hand. I freaked out and took her to the ER as she began to shake and convulse uncontrollably. I remember the ER nurse crying and trying to wrap her up in blankets and increase her circulation system that was failing, while her body was shaking as if she took strong MDMA. She kept asking the nurse "am I going to die?"

Don't mistake a high heart rate as necessarily being an overdose, drink a moderate amount of water (not an unreasonable amount, about three decent glasses if you believe you are dehydrated) and see if things get better. They often do. I have been to the hospital three times due to drug use, twice unnecessarily taken by other people, once because I was passed out from about 40mg's of benzo's and another from withdrawing from a 40mg Xanax habit when I was in India (yeah, 40 mgs). I didn't need to go to the hospital on these occasions. The one time I did need to go was when I collapsed in public after using speed for 5 days and drinking almost no water, and then taking a 2mg Xanax bar. Dehydration can cause people to not think clearly and can sometimes be something to be as concerned about as an overdose.

I had a heart rate after I drank a red bull after doing meth for 2 days that was 189, I'm a fit ~19-20 year old. I was concerned but am both a sprinter and cross-country runner in college, 189 might be the heart rate of someone doing a long hard sprint. However, the heart can fail if working too hard. When I try to run too fast on a lot of amphetamines without good rest, my muscles occasionally fail and my legs literally collapse beneath me as I'm working them to sprint at maximum load. I am then hardly able to stand up. Why couldn't this happen to the heart?

If someone is sleeping from a meth or heroin binge, especially if it was for a week or more, OR if they took some drug which might make them concerningly unrouseable, fucking wake them up even if it means dumping 15 glasses of water and being an asshole (in their mind) to your friend (the exception being GHB, if you know how much they took. GHB "overdoses" are often nothing to be concerned about at all, it takes a serious mismeasurement to be deadly). Make them sit the fuck up and then let them go to sleep, or move them into a sitting position if you can.
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Sorry, i know this probably isn't the right place but...help! I've been a bit silly. Haven't done any drugs (except drinking) for about 4 years now. Used to have a REAL coke problem, lost loads of jobs, flats, self esteem bla bla you know the story.
Anyhoo, used to be able to do coke til it came out of my eyeballs and recently found out about these RCs. Bought myself a gram of Ethylphenidate and slipped it into a herbal tea. Haven't slept for 2 days, tripping out, can't eat and worse trying to hide from hubby as all he will touch is weed. Hiding in bed, praying for sleep, look like shit trying to down a bottle of red wine. Why, oh why did I not order a bag of flubromazepam at the same time?! Anyone got any tips on sleep?? Btw, I am a 28 year old female weighing 98lb. Thanks guys.
 
THAT was a post I wrote high on meth. I am now on a terrible meth comedown. I have thrown up 18 times in the past hour and just decided to stop counting as it was getting depressing... and I may have to call a friend to take me to the hospital because I can not even suck on Ice. You seem like a vergo, very analytical although why you are so interested in drugs probably comes from boredom. Let me tell you man, if you can stop in any way, I ask you from my heart, one human being to another that these drugs have a high probability of destroying your life's potential. You, like me, are curious and adventurous. If you can avoid any amphetamines, opioids and drugs listed in the "other drugs" prefixes you might save your life.

I have put myself in hell and cannot explain why I made the choices I did. I was happy when my friend called to go to the party. Maybe I was bored. Make that 19 EDIT: 20 EDIT: 21 EDIT: calling my friend I an constantly puking and shaking.

Too sick and shaking to continue I am calling my friend to take me to the ER, declaring bankruptsy in a week so why not. btw if you go to the ER for drug overdose or withdrawal tell them that someone put something in your drink at a party or something, it was a party at a friends house but you cant say where for their privacy, if it's a detectible drug tell them how you felt on it and that you werent sure what to do but felt safe or something like that. tell them you never wanted to take the drug, just make that point very very clear. express a lot of anger at whoever "did" this to you.

The road of using drugs until your ego is forced out of denial (or you die) is a path through hell. You do not want to go on this path. Sadly, some will. Bluelight is here to help people survive in hell for longer.

Ironically, I am actually angry at myself, that part won't be a lie. I am delierious from dehydration and home alone, I am still cohierent enough to call a friend, hospital will simply put me on a glucose IV and I will be lying down, hydrated, fed, and comftorable...

Do not start using any drugs in the "other drugs" thread. Stop if you are. Get help if you can't stop. If you believe there is no problem maybe there isn't, *but if there is* your life will get progressively worse until you are forced out of denial.
 
How many people will have to go through these same lessons until the drug use stops? I'm not talking about cannabis and psychedelics I'm talking about drugs that quickly kill and destroy lives.

How can we help these people realize their actions are harmful, instead of simply trying to provide harm reduction? I guess the drug use will always be there by someone until humanity as a whole realizes it is pointless and people don't even believe in making these things any more, my god... I ask the universe that my next lifetime is a lifetime when that has been realized.
 
There you go, an honest first-hand, live-written experience of an OD situation where I did not OD on a drug but got such bad quality I seriously feel I require hospitalization; my friend is on his way. I hope I never use meth again but maybe I have to go through this 20 more times before I decide to simply not use the drug. I hope you understand why I would advise you to either not use or stop using the bad drugs.

EDIT: My friend's other roommate called (roomate of the guy who OD'd in my first post in this thread) and he never arrived home. He had a 50 minute drive from my house to his other roommate's house under extreme psychosis and I told him NOT to drive. He couldn't read the freeway sign as he drove right under it. He insisted on driving because he is in denial that his drugs are a problem. I thought, "I hope that something aligns in the universe tonight to show him he has a problem". Well, something happened to show me my choices were wrong and now his roommate called me and the guy who OD'd in the above post never arrived home and is not answering his phone. He is probably either super sick on the side of the road, killed in a car crash, damaged in a car crash or arrested and in jail. Man, he was getting a serious meth problem and even brought it to me, I hope it's the latter. Well, off to the hospital with me... it's going to be a hell of a lot better than jail.
 
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Well thats a lot of info thanks, typical meth post i would do so often lol, but you listed a lot of things and many where normal symptoms and general advice.

I was hoping for more specifics i could make use of and "bet" my safety on. You linked to Erowid, those symptoms where useful though:

Vomiting, headaches, dizziness, cold sweats, shaking, etc. Never really had these before except minor tembles, heaving sweating and during vasoconstricion which is prob the cold sweat part. Once when i know for a fact i took to much on day 4 i sudden got this reallt wierd sedated drunk type woozy dizzyness effect. It was so obviously unlike what a stim should do it did freak me out. That came right after a high oral dose on day 4 with existing doses in effect, that also caused heart and chest discomfort, much more then usual, bit it went away after a while. That was prob closest to OD ive been.

I now no longer dump random amounts of uncrushed meth into my hand and eat it because im to lazy to take it any other way. I turned out a little sprinkled pile in your hand is always way larger a dose then it seems to be. Eyeballing is not accurate in general though but apparently doing random sprinkes from a baggie with random shard sizes in it, into your hand in the dark while very high and sleep deprived makes it even more unreliable.

Many i really did take big doses then, but the worst and only symtoms that didnt seem anxiety/paranoia related was the wierd dopyness mentioned above and bad vasocontriction with icy red/blue hands and feet, and constant gooseflesh which is annoying for a hairy guy like me.
 
Well it seemed two fellow tweakers decided to chime in, but all are welcome so its cool. Im guessing about the second poster as is two posts make no sense at all.

Im hope i actually get some clear feedback on my specific questions at some point though.
 
Well my first post was genuine and a real request for info, just in case it gets confused with the others :-)

I now have another request that might be more interesting, but completely genuine.

Im on day 3 now and feel reasonably fine mentally and physically except maybe a bit tired and mentally slow. No anxiety or paranoia.

But now I have those wierd visuals and audio you get often on meth. Seeing like a smoky substance or like static dust in the air like when sunshine shines on dust and it sparkles. Can focus on and see individual particles just floating there at different depth levels in the air. But thats not what i want to query

I am also hearing that annoying radio station playing again in my head or around me softly, this always happens. But whats crazy is that i can hear the songs that I am familar with from my fav station and the DJ's i know talking between songs, even about events and shit i dont know about so cant be hallucinating? They are often repeating the same song quite though for some reason.

Secondly there is definite directionality from the sound, its coming from the corner of my room, but there is nothing there, or no speaker at least and i made sure nothing in this room or house is playing the radio softly. When I move my head around the direction of the incoming sound remains as coming from the corner of the room. wtf?

This radio station hallucination is common with me but pretty wierd because there are zero other audio hallucinations and mentally i feel fine and almost fully functioning.
Logically there would not simply be one ongoing constant significant audio hallucination and no others, not even small ones? There are some random corner of the eye visual stuff though.

Am i picking up the radio station with my brain somehow? Taping some deactivated but intrinsic psychic resource with the meth, or a physic sense that can pick up the broadcast?
(dont worry when I get to the point that im actually considering that as a real possibility, then down goes the Seroquel)

Well at least i dont need to have the radio on like I usually do, can save some elec costs but ghe volume is a bit low on the internal radio. so Ill see if I can sort that out somehow.

Does anybody else get this effect with high or longer period meth usage?
 
Sorry, i know this probably isn't the right place but...help! I've been a bit silly. Haven't done any drugs (except drinking) for about 4 years now. Used to have a REAL coke problem, lost loads of jobs, flats, self esteem bla bla you know the story.
Anyhoo, used to be able to do coke til it came out of my eyeballs and recently found out about these RCs. Bought myself a gram of Ethylphenidate and slipped it into a herbal tea. Haven't slept for 2 days, tripping out, can't eat and worse trying to hide from hubby as all he will touch is weed. Hiding in bed, praying for sleep, look like shit trying to down a bottle of red wine. Why, oh why did I not order a bag of flubromazepam at the same time?! Anyone got any tips on sleep?? Btw, I am a 28 year old female weighing 98lb. Thanks guys.

Please do not try to hijack the thread. This thread is about 1st hand experiences on meth OD's, not RC's that nobody knows nothing about. You shouldn't do RC's at all, spend the money on amphetamine sulphate if you want high euphoria 8-hour stimulation. I would never buy something called "Ethylphenidate", sounds too much like Ritalin. Please create a NEW thread.
 
Well thats a lot of info thanks, typical meth post i would do so often lol, but you listed a lot of things and many where normal symptoms and general advice.

I was hoping for more specifics i could make use of and "bet" my safety on. You linked to Erowid, those symptoms where useful though:

Vomiting, headaches, dizziness, cold sweats, shaking, etc. Never really had these before except minor tembles, heaving sweating and during vasoconstricion which is prob the cold sweat part. Once when i know for a fact i took to much on day 4 i sudden got this reallt wierd sedated drunk type woozy dizzyness effect. It was so obviously unlike what a stim should do it did freak me out. That came right after a high oral dose on day 4 with existing doses in effect, that also caused heart and chest discomfort, much more then usual, bit it went away after a while. That was prob closest to OD ive been.

I now no longer dump random amounts of uncrushed meth into my hand and eat it because im to lazy to take it any other way. I turned out a little sprinkled pile in your hand is always way larger a dose then it seems to be. Eyeballing is not accurate in general though but apparently doing random sprinkes from a baggie with random shard sizes in it, into your hand in the dark while very high and sleep deprived makes it even more unreliable.

Many i really did take big doses then, but the worst and only symtoms that didnt seem anxiety/paranoia related was the wierd dopyness mentioned above and bad vasocontriction with icy red/blue hands and feet, and constant gooseflesh which is annoying for a hairy guy like me.

If you can figure out the weight of the dose, your own weight, and purify the meth, you can scientifically figure out how much your body can handle. Just remember that meth takes a very long time to leave your system, I couldn't get it up for like 6 hours at a different house because I shot up 200mgs after I had done 320mgs 4 hours earlier, had to take 4gs of GHB to get it up.

This is both my wife's and my account obviously, she did not go to the hospital, I gave her TUMS and coconut water. EDIT: My wife was obviously at my neighbor's house too...

OK man, from the things you're saying you don't own a scale. Yeah I grabbed what I thought was a 200mg shard and it was 680mgs. You can eyeball powder and BTH fairly well but you can't do it with shards, that is stupid. Go easier on your binges and doses. I only dosed over 36 hours and it is now 72 hours into my trip, I've been through w/d and am high now again.

Fuck yeah, thanks for the +1 regarding the tweaker posts. I like to write about important stuff when I'm high, that way sober people start to read it, get interested and then they're stuck reading this long ass thread. Hello sober people! ;)
 
Well my first post was genuine and a real request for info, just in case it gets confused with the others :-)

I now have another request that might be more interesting, but completely genuine.

Im on day 3 now and feel reasonably fine mentally and physically except maybe a bit tired and mentally slow. No anxiety or paranoia.

But now I have those wierd visuals and audio you get often on meth. Seeing like a smoky substance or like static dust in the air like when sunshine shines on dust and it sparkles. Can focus on and see individual particles just floating there at different depth levels in the air. But thats not what i want to query

I am also hearing that annoying radio station playing again in my head or around me softly, this always happens. But whats crazy is that i can hear the songs that I am familar with from my fav station and the DJ's i know talking between songs, even about events and shit i dont know about so cant be hallucinating? They are often repeating the same song quite though for some reason.

Secondly there is definite directionality from the sound, its coming from the corner of my room, but there is nothing there, or no speaker at least and i made sure nothing in this room or house is playing the radio softly. When I move my head around the direction of the incoming sound remains as coming from the corner of the room. wtf?

This radio station hallucination is common with me but pretty wierd because there are zero other audio hallucinations and mentally i feel fine and almost fully functioning.
Logically there would not simply be one ongoing constant significant audio hallucination and no others, not even small ones? There are some random corner of the eye visual stuff though.

Am i picking up the radio station with my brain somehow? Taping some deactivated but intrinsic psychic resource with the meth, or a physic sense that can pick up the broadcast?
(dont worry when I get to the point that im actually considering that as a real possibility, then down goes the Seroquel)

Well at least i dont need to have the radio on like I usually do, can save some elec costs but ghe volume is a bit low on the internal radio. so Ill see if I can sort that out somehow.

Does anybody else get this effect with high or longer period meth usage?

Day 3? That is exactly the day I am on, look at my latest post, lol. I feel like I am exactly where you are physically and mentally (I'm actually kinda on day 4 but took a few xanax on the comedown last evening, boosted me back up)

Yeah, I see the particles too. They aren't real. What's bad is on days 5-6 they start to turn into people, animals and trees. On days 6-7 they start moving and talking to you! I like to try and touch them, but they always dissolve before my fingers...

My grandparents talk in the room next to mine and I often hear their voices buzzing. I have been hearing their voices buzzing all night (I should of taken a bunch of xanax and slept for a few hours, oh well). No, the sound is not real and the floaters are not real, if you are confused about this do not stay up for another 3-4 days when they start changing into plants, people and animals that move and talk to you.
Your mind is playing tricks on you, you need rest if you want it to stop.
Lie down and close your eyes man. I like to see them, it's fun to have my psychosis friends wispering dark shit about me. I've seen my hand go through a tree once, too, when I was on 7.2 days. THAT was a trip.

The other radio stations are hallucinations. They are not your intuition picking up extra stuff, your brain is fucking up. It's cool, I agree. DUDE, I WROTE A 28 PAGE SINGLE-SPACED FONT SIZED DOCUMENT ON HOW TO LITERALLY MOVE OBJECTS WITH YOUR MIND ONCE, AND WAS CONVINCED I COULD DO IT...

As long as you deny your brain "sleep" it will continue to add to the psychosis. When the day comes, you will NOT want to go outside without first eating something and taking xanax. I strongly reccomend you take benzos (if possible) and meth sleep for a few hours, you will wake up high again. Just don't redose and become an addict. I am going to make myself some YOGI TEA: GOOD FOR THE MIND, BODY, AND METH USERS that contains antioxidants to reduce neurotoxicity. Shit my grandparents were up they think I went to bed because I turned off my light so I could see the dark shadow things you were talking about. Now I'm going to get up and make tea? Fuck it why not, it's good for me. They worry about my drug use more than I do, lol.
 
Its midday now so i dont want to waste the rest of the day, I have a seroquel to kill it and valiums if need but id rather salvage the rest of the day. I dont mind the things i mentioned above but im also not euphoric now so its annoying. I always get paranoid using from when the first dose starts wearing off and if i feel shitty I get paranoid about whether its because its the comedown starting or a to high dose. I hate that uncertianty. What I often do is have 2-3 beers which will make me feel a little better and take the edge off and then redose if i want to continue, that usually works well. I drink often with meth throughout as it works well together for me, probably what saves me from more worse issues on my previous 4 day high dose binges.

I just had a beer earlier and it reduced the volume on the brain radio quite a bit so thats good.

BTW you can move things with your mind, even create matter from scratch with a simple thought, we just dont know how to do it and you need training and practice, 10 years or so. Every human body and spirit incarnated inside already has the capability and power available to do so however the major stumbling block to "real magic" is mental training, thought control / mastery and visualization training, which can take a long time to get to the level needed to see actual results physical results. All "magic" operates through the manipulation of subtle energy which is all around us (astral etc) which is controlled and directed through intent and perfect visualisation of your intended purpose or result which needs to be sustained for a certain period of time perfectly.

Totally Off Topic (response to DoctorSativa move things with your mind mention

(Possibly proof of my meth insanity, paranoia and delusions to some, possibly interesting and of value to others). I assure you its the truth as i know it and from my own experience, not a crazy meth story but one written for this post while on meth because im bored and love to post here when bored and on meth. And also never get to talk about on of my major interests to most normal people around me.

Moving an object with your mind is as simple as mentally condensing the element of air (analogy name for a subtle energy type related to the properties air has, same with fire, earth, and water, you have all heard of the 4 elements) within the matter of the object and then directing instruction to the condensed energy inside to move, which would move the object as well. Air element is best for this as one of its analogic properties would be lightness, spread out, has no weight etc and make the task easer. Using the same process you could also direct the object to fall through the table or pass through another solid object or the famous classic, simply levitate it, as the properties the air element allows for these types of functions the best.

Alternatively you could create a "condensed energy ball" between your hands using the earth elemental energy which would be a heavy energy with more physical properties (but still not physical and visable to the normal person, but could possibly be sensed somehow) and move that ball towards the object which should move the object. Maybe you would want to do it that way as it looks cooler using your hands to move the object without your hands touching it Usually its all in the mind, no waving hands, doing rituals or sacrificing goats. You just need to train your mind every day for 5-7 years and of course there are other aspects as well. So simple in concept yet definitely not easy to learn or do in practice, at least when you are just starting.

Im being dead serious as well but im sure you will all think im mad or making up tweaker shit and ignore this. And thats exactly how they keep amazing impossible things and knowlege hidden. By simply having it out there in plain sight because then nobody takes it seriously and its just another story book or wierd 5000yo religeous history book or something. We have all heard of the 4 elements, probably from some book or movie, which makes it more difficult to accept this as real and to take anything that mentions it seriously, on as an example.

Most people make assumptions on the value of things they encounter every day based on the context of the information and experience or the source, and also based in beleifs and ideas they where taught and brought up with, but the same occured for their parents and the cycle of avoidance of the wierd or fear of the unknown continues ensuring many new ideas and concepts are automatically surpressed and real progress as a species is very slow. Currently we only have faith in science which is flawed as it is not combined or working with spiritual sciences like alchemy for example which is necessary for next level advancements. Of course this cycle and setup and supression of certain ideas is no accident, but lets not get into conspiracy theories!

And therefore through this process knowlege and power is automatically protected from those not ready and lacking the intuition to sense something special but still always available to those who will instantly activate and click with the info right away (perhaps as part of a plan before incarnation) or those hoping or knowing there is more to life and the world then what we can see and what science claims to be the facts and all that is. And then starting your quest to find out the truth for yourself through hard work and lots of time, and all without any real proof.

For me it was easy to take the chance on investing time in something fantastic and special if it turned out to be legit as the chance of discovering something like that in this mundane existance we currently experience is worth any time lost compared to no risk and the certainty of a mundane society approved templated existance. Obviously you research things beforehand to review the likelygood of value and results and make a calculated decision or risk.

Ive been studying and practing hermetics for a year already. So dont delete that book, maybe it was sent as a message from above hinting that its time for you to get started as well. Check out Franz Bardons books starting with Initiation into Hermetics one, if only for an interesting read if you think its all bull.

Best practical training ive found and its reasonably modern and easy to understand. There are also related forums and sites that show people have been successful with it but you will never get detials or proof as one of the "lessons" or ideals is "silence" and generally keeping your personal progress and exact detials to yourself (for good reasons), and why there are thousands of people who can do things you would consider miracles, but you will never likely hear about them or any of their activites.

I however suspect Dynamo, that tv magician to be a hermetic adept due to how he does certiain things, his body actions, movements, little things i recognize from the training, however would never admit it and retain the illusionist/cgi tactics because that people can actually accept. Especially that one trick where is hand suddely sets on fire or shakes peoples hands and it burns them. Thats a really simple lower level stuff which involves condensing the fire element in the limb, which is perfectly safe because of previous preperation preparing the body to balance and work with all the elements directly and be safe from its effects. If he is, there may be a specifc motive hes doing it publically, as the real mkoys usually wouldnt "perform parlour tricks for people" and consider that an insulting waste of their time and abilities.

But watching him is an awesome way to get an idea of what you could potentially do with as little as 5-10 years self training an hour a day. Same period of time to train as a lawyer or doctor, but far better end result and far more fun. And of course the creating cash and gold from thin air instantly is also useful, though by that level of training the last thing you will be interested in is money.

Anyways, long offtopic info that sorry, its just facinating stuff and im bored, and sharing is caring. So start your studies and lets get some trained hermetic alchemists on this forum ASAP to create us some receational substances that are quite literally on a whole nother dimension and would be free from legal issues as it would test as "base mineral elements" like a mineral supplement on the most advanced equipment yet built and avail for businesses (cant detect subtle energy).
 
I am mainly a heroin user and have been for the last 5 years unfourtantly. I shot up and I also use meth but I usually only do $5 worth and I'm good all day an night then don't do it again for a week or two. So my tolerance is low. Well I just took a shot that made my head go whoop whoop and dizzy and honestly scared. Can you over dose on meth?
 
Jesus there really needs to be a TLDR section for meth threads

I don't think this thread or any part of it can be summed up concisely. What it does do quite well, however, is demonstrate how meth affects people detrimentally. Just reading through these long posts make me feel scattered and tense.

Good harm reduction by example. Hope both of you guys (and one girl) end up OK...

EDIT: regarding the post in which one guy criticises the girl for taking ethylphenidate - don't you think that's a bit hypocritical? Not about the thread-jacking but about "staying away from RCs" and saying you would "never take something called ethylphenidate". Why not? There's quite a lot of information about ethylphenidate and how to use it safely. As for purity, I hardly think that meth is much safer and is every bit as likely (if not more) to cut with potentially harmful fillers.

Suggesting that someone take amphetamine rather than ethylphenidate isn't great advice, either considering the posted described previous issues with cocaine addiction. It seems that any stim could be potentially abused if she has that compulsion.

Finally, people often talk about how their meth is 'very high purity/quality', but how many of those people say this after having their stash analysed in a lab? Rather they say it going off their relative experience with previous batches.
 
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