Meth: maybe just once (or a few times, most often)

[ebola?]

This Forbes article's argument and according evidence entailed demonstrate that the dangers of meth have been vastly overblown in various popular media and even secondary literature on scientific studies.

Meth however remains one of the most dangerous recreational drugs known (indeed, a contender for most dangerous). So perhaps the use of additional scare tactics has actually increased use, to the extent that people discover discrepancies between farcical exaggerations and their own experience and those of their peers.

ebola

 

[poledriver]

Pretty cool article.

 

[S.J.B.]

Thank you! There are not enough reasonable articles about methamphetamine.

 

[TheRapperGoneBad]

This is a really interesting article great post bola.

I recommend any blers that stumble across this thread give the entire thing a read.

 

[S.J.B.]

One small gripe: I would have hoped that Carl Hart would know better than to use the term "methamphetamines."

 

[shimazu]

every time I took meth before work I would act pretty odd but my god do you get stuff done. I feel like when I would take Adderall, id just automatically find productive things to do, whereas on meth if I didnt put myself in a situation where I had tasks more or less be forced on me (like at work), id just focus on pointless things.

Either way, the only thing I really could complain about in regards to either of them is you lose your appetite and have stomach cramps.

Still though, getting an hour's worth of work done in 20 mins then just dealing with 5 mins of uneasy stomach feelings is a pretty fair trade off imo.

Dont even talk to me until I put meth in my coffee, should have been that one mcdonalds commercial

 

[23536]

The thing I've noticed about methamphetamine in culture is that even our people are down on it. "Don't touch meth. Do a classy drug, like crack". We say shit like this all the time.

 

[shimazu]

if youre gonna abuse one drug other than weed it might as well be meth imo. At least you can still be somewhat productive

 

[slimvictor]

The thing I've noticed about methamphetamine in culture is that even our people are down on it. "Don't touch meth. Do a classy drug, like crack". We say shit like this all the time.

I lol'd at this.
I don't see any pro-crack bias, but I do get what you are saying, numbers.

 

[Thorns Have Roses]

Finally, some rational talk about meth. Though I gotta say that we could eliminate the market for it, if they'd just make amphetamine OTC.

every time I took meth before work I would act pretty odd but my god do you get stuff done. I feel like when I would take Adderall, id just automatically find productive things to do, whereas on meth if I didnt put myself in a situation where I had tasks more or less be forced on me (like at work), id just focus on pointless things.

This with a dose equipotent to your preferred productive amphetamine dose? Actually, I can see that happening.

But when we increased the amount of money to $20, they almost never chose the drug.

$20 is gonna buy you more than 50mg, so duh. As for the $5, well folks need their smokes. Not to belittle the result of the experiment.

 

[f33lg00d]

Finally, some rational talk about meth. Though I gotta say that we could eliminate the market for it, if they'd just make amphetamine OTC.



This with a dose equipotent to your preferred productive amphetamine dose? Actually, I can see that happening.



$20 is gonna buy you more than 50mg, so duh. As for the $5, well folks need their smokes. Not to belittle the result of the experiment.

Turned into a game of less now or more later. Wish I was I. An experiment like this for crackfu

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Fuck I could use something... no meth here.

 

[blight12]

Ebola, i really liked your suggested explanation for uptake. Its an interesing idea and reminds me of insane LSD propaganda in school that just resulted in more motivation to use it when you learn enough not to trust previous information.

Personally, I have also not experienced meth anywhere near as negative as its made out to be in terms of long term or non "high" days, aftereffects etc. And thats over a year but only at max once a week usage, not daily.

Plus i guess people reckon that if docs often prescribe amps to kids for "add", how bad can meth amp really be?

 

[PepperSocks]

Nice to see a sensible article in a popular mainstream magazine.

The only gripe I have of methamphetamine vs. regular amphetamine is that it is more centrally acting, a bit more compulsive in terms of desiring a redose, and the longer duration tends to interfere with sleep a bit more.

Other than that I don't understand why people don't realize it can be used orally in the same doses that are found in Desoxyn. IMO they absolutely cannot approve of Desoxyn prescriptions and then say 'methamphetamine: not even once'. Is the person with a Desoxyn prescription not supposed to take it, even once?

I see that it's not benign, but it's not a demon. The majority of users can do so moderately. Sensational press and government just like a juicy story.

 

[ro4eva]

One small gripe: I would have hoped that Carl Hart would know better than to use the term "methamphetamines."

Perhaps because he's referring to both levo-meth and dextro-meth. Or not.

 

[psood0nym]

Nice to see a sensible article in a popular mainstream magazine.

The only gripe I have of methamphetamine vs. regular amphetamine is that it is more centrally acting, a bit more compulsive in terms of desiring a redose, and the longer duration tends to interfere with sleep a bit more.

Other than that I don't understand why people don't realize it can be used orally in the same doses that are found in Desoxyn. IMO they absolutely cannot approve of Desoxyn prescriptions and then say 'methamphetamine: not even once'. Is the person with a Desoxyn prescription not supposed to take it, even once?

I see that it's not benign, but it's not a demon. The majority of users can do so moderately. Sensational press and government just like a juicy story.

You've covered or alluded to many of the chief legitimate criticisms of meth and ways to mitigate its drawbacks here.

More specifically, in my view the central drawbacks intrinsic to the drug are its duration, which leads to the detrimental effects of sleep deprivation, and its seemingly unavoidable neurotoxicity, which can arguably be addressed somewhat by using it in ways that avoid sudden extreme spikes in serum concentrations, i.e. oral rather than IV or smoked usage. It's other major drawbacks owe more to the ways it's made and tends to be used. Namely, its dangerous impurities, certain threateningly incendiary synthesis techniques, the way users repeatedly dose while rotting their teeth out with highly acidic sugar drinks, drain their bank accounts while extending the psychosis-inducing and health deteriorating effects of sleep deprivation, and just generally overlook basic practices of good hygiene and safe sex. Really only "krokodille" addicts beat out meth balls for sheer grotesqueness of character.

 

[ebola?]

One small gripe: I would have hoped that Carl Hart would know better than to use the term "methamphetamines."

I tried to find the quote where this occurred and failed.

ebola

 

[S.J.B.]

Perhaps because he's referring to both levo-meth and dextro-meth. Or not.

Nah, have you ever seen that done with any other drug? It's just a colloquialism that's become ubiquitous for some reason. Nobody's talking about "ketamines" and "mescalines."

I tried to find the quote where this occurred and failed.

It's in the actual report, not the Forbes article.

 

[opi8]

I see way too many people talking about marijuanas, just the other day someone injected 2 marijuanas and overdosed. God bless.

 

[23536]

You've covered or alluded to many of the chief legitimate criticisms of meth and ways to mitigate its drawbacks here.

More specifically, in my view the central drawbacks intrinsic to the drug are its duration, which leads to the detrimental effects of sleep deprivation, and its seemingly unavoidable neurotoxicity, which can arguably be addressed somewhat by using it in ways that avoid sudden extreme spikes in serum concentrations, i.e. oral rather than IV or smoked usage. It's other major drawbacks owe more to the ways it's made and tends to be used. Namely, its dangerous impurities, certain threateningly incendiary synthesis techniques, the way users repeatedly dose while rotting their teeth out with highly acidic sugar drinks, drain their bank accounts while extending the psychosis-inducing and health deteriorating effects of sleep deprivation, and just generally overlook basic practices of good hygiene and safe sex. Really only "krokodille" addicts beat out meth balls for sheer grotesqueness of character.

So, I'm guessing you disagree with him.