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[MEGA] Synthetic Cannabinoid Discussion - Take 4

^Be wary there are MANY shitty batches of fubinaca going around that does not have the effect you are looking for. If you know a supplier to carry the good fubinaca, continue buying from them and don't risk switching manufacturer.

Currently using a batch of fubinaca that has the nice and clean effect but isn't sedating at all. I've given up on this cannabinoid since it has varying effect from almost every manufacturer.
 
I've never used it, as the amount of vendors punting it here are very limited, and none of them are ones I trust or have used before, so if I need a sedating smoke I'll use bb-25. It's one of my favourite noids at the moment.

I'm vaping some 5f AKB48 right now I just got through today for a blend. It doesn't feel much different to plain AKB to me, though it has a very distinct taste, almost like pine oil. I wonder why they're selling this instead of the older version?
 
dopemegently said:
I've never used it, as the amount of vendors punting it here are very limited, and none of them are ones I trust or have used before, so if I need a sedating smoke I'll use bb-25. It's one of my favourite noids at the moment.

I'm vaping some 5f AKB48 right now I just got through today for a blend. It doesn't feel much different to plain AKB to me, though it has a very distinct taste, almost like pine oil. I wonder why they're selling this instead of the older version?
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a lot of times I think they are trying to skirt laws, I am suprised you did not notice the difference between the unfluoronated and fluoronated noids. the ones with the fluoro seem to be stronger in the way they bind to receptors IMHO.
 
Flourinated = more potent and shorter lasting

Unflourinated = less potent and longer lasting.

Rule of thumb. The high is usually similiar.
 
Don't know about that, but JeremysDemo will most prob know. I did notice a slightly more intense high with the 5F, but I put it down to smoking it pure, something I try to avoid based on past experience. I'm noticing more and more how short-lived the initial high of some of these noids are, and I guess the term "crackabis" is kind of apt. I usually put plenty of BB-25 into any blend I make to increase the duration, but next week I'm making a pure 5FAKB48 blend with the 4 grams I got through the other day, and I'm gonna experiment with using the extracted CBD oil, and see if that improves the length of the high.
 
@dopemegently I read you're experimenting with 5f akb48 and i wanted an opinion from you: do you find medium to high doses to be kinda dissociative? it's hard to explain, but i find it has a bit of the dissociative head space... a friend of mine (who smokes higher doses than me) agrees on this
 
It's kinda hard to answer that question, because I use quite a lot of drugs. When I smoke noids, I'm usually also on suboxone, phenibut, etizolam and/or diclazepam, so that's gonna affect the experience a lot. I didn't experience any dissociation myself, but I found it to be a pretty intense, trippy, and short-lived high.
 
ComfortablyNumb95 said:
@dopemegently I read you're experimenting with 5f akb48 and i wanted an opinion from you: do you find medium to high doses to be kinda dissociative? it's hard to explain, but i find it has a bit of the dissociative head space... a friend of mine (who smokes higher doses than me) agrees on this
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look back many pages for a full explanation.... but short version is: akb48 can break down in adamantine (think i spelled that right) an NMDA antagonist drug that is most commonly used to treat alzheimer's, but also likely produces dissociative effects somewhat similar to recreational NMDA antagonists.
 
Bluesbreaker said:
Aren't flourinated supposedly more dangerous than unflourinated?
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not most of the ones I see on the market since they are odd chains (eg 5F)

there were some early concerns about even chains of flouro's that metabolize into flouro-toxicity of the hypothalomus.

so avoid the noids with 4F, 2F, 6F, etc, most of them are taken off the market and scheduled before they even come out in the US tho....
 
dopemegently said:
Don't know about that, but JeremysDemo will most prob know. I did notice a slightly more intense high with the 5F, but I put it down to smoking it pure, something I try to avoid based on past experience. I'm noticing more and more how short-lived the initial high of some of these noids are, and I guess the term "crackabis" is kind of apt. I usually put plenty of BB-25 into any blend I make to increase the duration, but next week I'm making a pure 5FAKB48 blend with the 4 grams I got through the other day, and I'm gonna experiment with using the extracted CBD oil, and see if that improves the length of the high.
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it should if the ratios are even! :)

anything that slows down the break down of anamadine in the brain will prolong a high (there are also synths that do the same thing btw, 0- designations of memory serves me correct) The other way it will improve the high is preventing peaks to the receptors, this helps keep over all tolerance lower which in turn makes the effects last longer.

it's best tho to give the receptors a break for a week or two, let them reset, to get the full benefit out of adding CBD, IMHO.

i
 
Toz said:
Flourinated = more potent and shorter lasting

Unflourinated = less potent and longer lasting.

Rule of thumb. The high is usually similiar.
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this makes sense clinically.

my most successful have been making flouronated noids longer lasting at the same time preventing the extreme high, best of both worlds IMHO.
 
ComfortablyNumb95 said:
@dopemegently I read you're experimenting with 5f akb48 and i wanted an opinion from you: do you find medium to high doses to be kinda dissociative? it's hard to explain, but i find it has a bit of the dissociative head space... a friend of mine (who smokes higher doses than me) agrees on this
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Fuck, yes! I can't believe it, but I smoked a larger dose of pure 5f, and experienced a complete deporsonalizion. Before I smoked it, I'd lost, or thought I'd lost, all of my Evod batteries. Normally, this would be a major source of anxiety, because I NEED my nicotine fix. Once I'd smoked it, I entered a kind of state I'd never been into before (never played with ketamine or similar drugs)-kind of like being temporarily removed from my regular consciousness; my e-cig didn't matter - nothing mattered. It was pretty intense- all I could do was lay down on my bedroom floor, falling asleep within moments. I woke up stiff and sore just now 5 hours later, completely back to baseline. Reaaally weird. It's something I've never experienced on cannabinoids, synthetic or organic. Pretty cool, actually.

Oh, and JeremysDemo, what ratio do you use when adding CBD? Never done it before, so don't have a clue. Also, I went with damiana for my blend this time; does this have any affect on the effects of the noid? (I've heard it called a kind of weak cannabinoid effect, even a euphoriant).
 
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^^ whoa, these things sure are powerful aren't they? a friend of mine took 2 hits from a 5f akb48 laced cig and found himself in a different dimension, where he lived episodes from his life where he used drugs but in this kind of "dream" he didn't, and he was screaming something about her mother (i wasn't there, they told me what happened to i don't really know the details) and sweating and shit.. oh and also he found himself in the middle ages lol, crazy stuff.

so, yeah, i think high quantities of syncans can provide otherworldly experiences, albeit not pleasant like a proper psychedelic can be
 
dopemegently said:
Oh, and JeremysDemo, what ratio do you use when adding CBD? Never done it before, so don't have a clue. Also, I went with damiana for my blend this time; does this have any affect on the effects of the noid? (I've heard it called a kind of weak cannabinoid effect, even a euphoriant).
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1:1 as it was found in nature.

damiana has it's own benefits for libido, is a known used wicca for impotence for centuries.
 
ComfortablyNumb95 said:
@dopemegently I read you're experimenting with 5f akb48 and i wanted an opinion from you: do you find medium to high doses to be kinda dissociative? it's hard to explain, but i find it has a bit of the dissociative head space... a friend of mine (who smokes higher doses than me) agrees on this
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Yes :) This is why I enjoy synthetics more than actual weed these days.
 
yeah, weed is more mellow, feels more natural and gradual if that makes any sense, while noids are more intense and "raw" albeit short lived, which i like.
that's why i don't consider them to be a cannabis substitute at all, yes they're kinda similar but they stand in a league of their own IMHO
 
I don't like the short HL of 'noids. And the strengh of the first times with a new batch when you don't have any tolerance yet. You can go paranoid easily with just a few milligrams.

Tolerance kinda erases this paranoia. And tolerance makes us raise the dose, of course.

Give me just good sinsemilla or good quality hash (not great mind you) over these super 'noids any day :\
 
Bluesbreaker said:
I don't like the short HL of 'noids. And the strengh of the first times with a new batch when you don't have any tolerance yet. You can go paranoid easily with just a few milligrams.

Tolerance kinda erases this paranoia. And tolerance makes us raise the dose, of course.

Give me just good sinsemilla or good quality hash (not great mind you) over these super 'noids any day :\
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me too!

only don't think my employer would like that showing up!
 
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