Heroin mix takes more than 80 lives in recent weeks

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http://www.cbsnews.com/news/heroin-mix-takes-more-than-80-lives-in-recent-weeks/

POINT PLEASANT, N.J. -- On an icy night last month, a man entered a grocery store here, walked past the displays of cake mix and paper towels, and went into the bathroom, where he injected himself with heroin.

Hours later, the man was found dead in the bathroom with a needle still in his arm, authorities said. They believe the man was one of more than 80 people across the country who have died in recent weeks after injecting heroin laced with fentanyl, a powerful synthetic opiate.

As the number of people who use, and fatally overdose on, heroin has skyrocketed in recent years, authorities are seeing the return of an alarming development: heroin that, often unbeknownst to the user, is spiked with fentanyl.

Fentanyl is a narcotic that is typically administered to people in chronic pain, including end-stage cancer patients. It is also used as an anesthetic. It is considered 80 times more powerful than morphine and can kill by inhibiting breathing.

"The dealers push this as being a super high, which it is, but it's also lethal," said Ellen Unterwald, director of the Center for Substance Abuse Research at the Temple University School of Medicine. Users typically don't know how much fentanyl is mixed in, and she said just a small amount can be fatal because the drug is so potent.

"A very small amount can exert a very significant effect," said Eric Strain, director of the Center for Substance Abuse Treatment and Research at Johns Hopkins University.

In Maryland, at least 37 people have died from the combined drugs, according to the Maryland Department of Health and Mental Hygiene, and in western Pennsylvania, authorities said they caused 22 deaths in recent weeks. In Rhode Island, 25 people have died from the laced heroin, and in Vermont state police have warned that pure fentanyl is being sold as heroin.

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Legalization and regulation are the only answers to this.

Human lives are being lost due to the government being on a power trip and having to tell us right from wrong this is bull shit.

If they cared at all about the people of the us this would already be the case prohibition leads to crime and death. Legalized markets would lead to real profitable jobs and a world where people can get the help they need not begin treated like trash because they using mind altering substances.
 
Still makes me wonder how much fent is really going around vs fent analogs...im pretty sure i got a small bag of laced dope (im in bmore) it was white and really powdery and the shot was almost clear looking. I did a test shot and didnt get pins and needles just felt super tired and noddy. I think if i had shot the whole bag it would have put me over and i have a large tolerance. When i buy smack i want diacetylmorphine with good water soluble cut that isnt an active pharm ingredient. Dead customers are not repeat customers....but as i hear in the waiting line at my mmt program (the drug misinfo is beyond rampant btw...harm reduction??? Derrrr whats that?) Anyways, some dumbass kid with no teeth was like yea my boy said they be takin the patches and turnin them to powder and cutting the dope with that. He seemed to not believe me when i said its prob comin from mexico and the shit isnt pharm quality. Had no clue what an analogue was. Prob thought it was the kind of watch that that doesnt need a battery.
 
I've never tried heroin, but my question is (pardon my ignorance) but where is the fent coming from that is going into heroin? Wouldn't powder form fent be harder to come by that heroin?

I don't have a tin foil hat or anything, but I almost feel like 'somebody' is putting fent into the heroin intentionally to kill people. Whether its the govt to get everybody back into a pro war on drugs mind set, or the taliban sending stuff over from packistan spiked with that stuff again to kill people.

Or is it the mob stole a bunch of the stuff from some of the many rx companies in nj, and therefore its making it way into heroin.

Scary stuff, and the sad part is that people in general lack critical thinking skills since they have been conditioned into thinking harsh penal code is the 'fix' for this rather than harm reduction.

I don't know, be care out there folks.
 
where is the fent coming from that is going into heroin? Wouldn't powder form fent be harder to come by that heroin?

Traditionally, it's coming from Mexico. (http://www.emsvillage.com/articles/article.cfm?id=2128). X number of doses of fentanyl makes a much smaller package than the same number of doses of heroin. It gets mixed in fairly high on the food chain, because it allows wholesalers to dilute (cut) much more while still producing a product that will get users high.

Fentanyls aren't that difficult to produce, and precursors are not very closely watched. Just about any chemist w/ motivation could pull off a synth, and the only way to trace it back would be the trail of bodies.

There's no point in killing a customer- dead men don't buy any more dope. On the other hand, once your stamp has a reputation for ridiculous potency, people will seek it out, so you can pick up a little market share. The best way to get that rep is to have a few corpses found- faily twisted algebra, but there ya have it.

Are folks getting killed on purpose? Maybe, but only as a side effect of marketing. The point isn't to kill somebody that you could be selling too. The point is to make money- and cutting fent into your product is one way to do that.

No conspiracy.
Capitalism.
 
There's no point in killing a customer- dead men don't buy any more dope. On the other hand, once your stamp has a reputation for ridiculous potency, people will seek it out, so you can pick up a little market share. The best way to get that rep is to have a few corpses found- faily twisted algebra, but there ya have it.

Are folks getting killed on purpose? Maybe, but only as a side effect of marketing. The point isn't to kill somebody that you could be selling too. The point is to make money- and cutting fent into your product is one way to do that.

No conspiracy.
Capitalism.

I'd like to sit down with the cartel and explain to them how this is a very stupid strategy.
 
Legalization and regulation are the only answers to this.
That's arguably a better answer but in the meantime using regent tests can at least usually determine if something sold as heroin isn't heroin (the following is from another forum citing the quoted original source).
Fentanyl citrate
Marquis - orange->brown - (porcelain) - (36)
Mecke - no reaction - (porcelain) - (36)
Mandelin - green - (porcelain) - (36)
Cobalt thiocyanate - no reaction - (porcelain) - (36)
Dille-Koppanyi - no reaction - (porcelain) - (36)
Ehrlich - no reaction - (porcelain) - (36)
Froehde - no reaction - (porcelain) - (36)
Sulfuric acid - no reaction - (porcelain) - (36)
Nitric acid - no reaction - (porcelain) - (36)

Heroin
Marquis - red->purple - (porcelain) - (36)
Mecke - green/blue - (porcelain) - (36)
Mandelin - olive - (porcelain) - (36)
Cobalt thiocyanate - no reaction - (porcelain) - (36)
Dille-Koppanyi - no reaction - (porcelain) - (36)
Ehrlich - no reaction - (porcelain) - (36)
Froehde - purple - (porcelain) - (36)
Sulfuric acid - yellow/brown - (porcelain) - (36)
Nitric acid - no reaction - (porcelain) - (36)
 
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Yeah, pretty sure the last bags I did were cut with fent or straight fent (totally almost slipped off the cliff that night). My friend died that night though and was added to the large list of dead people in the area from bad dope. I'm happy to be clean for once because I don't have to be paranoid over things like this. And to the whole regent testing idea… I'm sorry but we can barely get e-tards to test their pills sometimes and sadly we aren't going to get heroin users to test their dope. It will already be in their veins or up their nose before you can count to three.
 
And to the whole regent testing idea… I'm sorry but we can barely get e-tards to test their pills sometimes and sadly we aren't going to get heroin users to test their dope. It will already be in their veins or up their nose before you can count to three.
That may be the norm but in my view it's advice that only needs to be heeded once to justify being given. Though indeed such tests would probably have the most impact per investment dollar in the hands of sober needle exchange program volunteers interacting with end users at street level. In any case, a death or overdose resulting from not testing is an outcome that's going to be broadcast far more prominently than any less consequential successful detections of adulterants, so the signal to noise ratio in feedback from users should be expected to indicate that very few are using such tests in practice relative to the number of tests sold or provided.
 
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I understand, but all I'm saying is it's wishful thinking. We have needle exchanges, but still find heroin addicts sharing needles. So unless people change their attitudes or smarten up.. then the drop of people dying from bad dope isn't going to happen and the numbers will keep rising. People only care aboutt getting high as quickly as possible even if it may cost them their life.
 
Alright, but it doesn't seem like you do quite understand, since you are stating the fact that we have needle exchange programs but nevertheless still find heroin addicts sharing needles is evidence that the programs' working is wishful thinking, whereas my point is that the advice only needs to succeed to some slight degree to be successful. The point is that a problem persisting despite an intervention should not be considered to mean the intervention has done no work in addressing the problem. I appreciate the urge to put the onus on personal responsibility, and don't disagree with the spirit of that, I just don't think responsibility needs to be taken in order to nevertheless produce some degree of beneficial outcomes.
 
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Alright, but it doesn't seem like you do quite understand, since you are stating the fact that we have needle exchange programs but nevertheless still find heroin addicts sharing needles is evidence that the programs' working is wishful thinking, whereas my point is that the advice only needs to succeed to some slight degree to be successful. The point is that a problem persisting despite an intervention should not be considered to mean the intervention has done no work in addressing the problem.

No, I didn't say we shouldn't take action or offer these things. I'm just saying that sadly I don't see the numbers dropping. I wish we could do more than offer drug regent testing, but the drug war won't allow that right now. I know a life saved is better than none. It just sucks that so many people are still dying because they aren't more careful. I didn't say the programs aren't working or doing the job.. I'm saying fellow users also need to get on board and take action of their life/safety as well.

I'd like to see a poll of how many junkies will actually take their time or have seen someone use a regent test. Now and in the future.. just to see if their was more progress made. I'm not bashing the idea at all dude, but I'm only talking as a fellow heroin addict and by things I've seen or done. In the end, I think the offering of regent tests are great and I've used them for various of other drugs and they're great, but I wonder how many users will truly get on board is all. Again like I said a life saved is better than none. This will help at least someone out there and that's all that matters.
 
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I didn't say you said action shouldn't be taken. I said to state something is wishful thinking for the reasons you gave does not imply my meaning was understood. In any case I only intend to clarify my meaning. I don't think you are advocating absolute defeatism.
 
Maybe wishful thinking was a bad choice of words (yes I could have chosen something better), but I just was making sure you understood what I meant. I don't need to have someone telling me I truly don't understand because of a few select choice words. I understand, your viewpoint and agree with what has been said, but all I'm saying is it's sad how many addicts are still going to overlook this method. I hope society proves me wrong though.
 
This is a direct result of the Iron Law of Prohibition, which claims that as law enforcement becomes more intense toward a good, the potency of said prohibited substance increases. The harder they try and go after heroin, the more of this kind of thing will happen. Legalisation/regulation is the only way out.
 
This is a direct result of the Iron Law of Prohibition, which claims that as law enforcement becomes more intense toward a good, the potency of said prohibited substance increases. The harder they try and go after heroin, the more of this kind of thing will happen. Legalisation/regulation is the only way out.

Exactly. We can save a group of people by offering regent testings or save the majority of users by offering the above.
 
That's arguably a better answer but in the meantime using regent tests can at least usually determine if something sold as heroin isn't heroin (the following is from another forum citing the quoted original source).

Are these commercially available to non-professionals in the US?
 
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