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The Big & Dandy Research Chemicals on Blotters Thread

trozzle said:
Oh, of course I'm not going to consume 5+ tabs of unknown, hence the test :P I wouldn't be too concerned with testing it if I only intended on taking a single tab, as my mate that I got it from has already tried them himself and from the effects/taste/etc etc "confirmed" they were LSD. Obviously this is far from a true confirmation, but it at least rules out a bunch of things. I only purchased the test kit for the purpose of heroic dosing anyway, so no positive result = no heroic dosing.



Cheers for the link, will have a squiz :)
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If you ask me your friends confirmation means pretty much nothing. He says its LSD and you have confirmed it is not LSD. All you really know is that since he tripped you have a psychoactive substance that does not contain an indole ring.
 
I might test the remaining half with mandelin/marquis, at least then if it's an NBOMe it may show *something*
 
Testing questions like this must remain confined to this one thread I am now merging with.

The OP / FAQ should answer questions on what to expect from Marquis.
 
Just to clear up some confusion think people are posting here with no actual reagent testing experience. I used them once for LSD blotter and I am aware that the blotter where in fact genuine LSD at a dose of 90-100ug as I tried them myself and could compare and others sent off for more professional testing.

The one blotter I wasted to a test generated no reaction.
Baring in mind most blotter is generally 50-100ug it's safe to say it's perfectly reasonable a blotter doesn't react. Generally the other compounds are going to be higher dosed 500ug+ so will produce a more intense reaction.

I am hard headed enough to deal with an unexpected DOx compound etc so now I just go by experience. Not the best harm reduction but it's worked fine for me.
 
Yes the subtle color change would be questionable in terms of reliability, especially if the volume of tested solution is not kept to a bare minimum.
It would help if you described how exactly you tested it, so that we can put your very valid concerns into better perspective.
 
I performed the test as per the instructions provided - cut small amount of the blotter off, placed it and the little pellet into the vial of liquid, swirled it around a little, let it sit for a few minutes, then I decided nothing was happening yet so i have it a good shake and left it.
 
After some experimentation I have some useful information regarding the EzTest brand of Ehrlich tests.

The Ehrlich test is designed to test specifically for LSD and 'other indoles' (DMT, 5-MeO-DMT (a.k.a. Foxy Methoxy), 5-Meo-MiPT, 5-MeO-DiPT, Psilocybin, Psilocine, 4-acetoxy-DMT)

The test is supposed to give a colour change from clear to pink / purple in the presence of LSD or an indol.

The instructions incuded with the EzTest are misleading because they clearly state that a reaction will be evident withing '1-2 minutes' of mixing the reagents. IME this is 100% false. Rather you don't see a colour change until up to 4+ hours after mixing. This is very misleading and, when the user doesn't see a reaction within 2 minutes they are lead to believe either i) that their product is bunk or ii) that the test kit is faulty.

When using the EzTest Ehrlich test be sure to mix the small granule included in the test kit with your test sample and liquid reagent. The granule takes about 1.5-2 hrs to completely dissolve and the reaction does not begin until that granule is completely dissolved.

Then over the next couple hours a gradual change in colour will occur from clear, to pink then purple (assuming your test sample contains LSD or an indole). It will remain clear if LSD or an indole is not present.
 
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The sulfuric acid in Marquis reagent reacts with blotter paper, the charring may make the result black which can make a false positive for LSD. You need to extract the blotter by soaking it in a tiny bit of uncolored alcohol and applying the test to that alcoholic solution.

Ok I need some clarification on this. How EXACTLY do I do this? I live in America, so what kind of "alcohol" should I buy from store that is "uncolored" ?? What is considered a "tiny" bit? Should I do this on a white plastic spoon like pillreports.com? How long should blotter soak?

Sorry, most of my testing experience is strictly with MDMA only ....
 
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Stick with LSD kids. As a retired RC vendor I have switched fences and wish the RC scene and quick and sudden death. Risking your life is not worth saving money aka dead presidents on dead trees.

The only good RC is MXE IMO, and even THAT has major addiction issues.
 
^ Dude I'm curious about your statement, and would like to hear more. I'm open to the idea that all RC's are "bad", if that were indeed the case, but I've drunk the kool-aid so to speak, and feel that many of them are at least as safe as many of the illegal PDs. So I'm interested in hearing your arguments why you think all the RCs are bad.

That being said, I agree that LSD must be one of the safest psychedelics that exists. But it was once a "research chemical"!
Hard to go wrong with LSD, mushrooms, San Pedro cactus.
 
@Dudeabides and perpetualdawn, can I move your posts to create a new thread and/or merge it into another thread where it would be on-topic? I'm positive you are not the first to have this argument plus it is off-topic in this thread. Also the thread we are in now is carefully monitored for a few reasons / there are strict rules about it that have to do with the no ID thread rule among other things.

cooldude9111 said:
The sulfuric acid in Marquis reagent reacts with blotter paper, the charring may make the result black which can make a false positive for LSD. You need to extract the blotter by soaking it in a tiny bit of uncolored alcohol and applying the test to that alcoholic solution.

Ok I need some clarification on this. How EXACTLY do I do this? I live in America, so what kind of "alcohol" should I buy from store that is "uncolored" ?? What is considered a "tiny" bit? Should I do this on a white plastic spoon like pillreports.com? How long should blotter soak?

Sorry, most of my testing experience is strictly with MDMA only ....
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By colored alcohol (ethanol to be specific regarding which alcohol) they mean the kind that is denatured (should be on the label) meaning they added other chemicals to the alcohol to render it undrinkable, and a dye to warn about the undrinkability. The price should also be an indication, denatured alcohol should have the price of a cleaning agent (low) while potable alcohol has the price of liquor (high).
You could also probably substitute with say isopropanol, another kind of alcohol that does not get the same treatment as denatured ethanol.

How much solvent? This looks fine for example:

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No plastic spoon or even metal. In your post it says Marquis reagent contains sulfuric acid, well that that oxidize iron to rust making it brown or black, and I'm surprised they used plastic on pillreports.com as IMO it could also mess up some kinds of plastics I think. A glass vial like in the pic above would be ideal, try to improvize to approximate it. The thin tall shape is ideal because if you look at the liquid in such a vial from the top down, the larger the distance you look through the liquid the better. Perceived coloration 'adds up', you see color best through a thick layer.
 
Ok.... So I add a tiny bit of alcohol in a vial as such, and then drop the blotter in-- Do i remove the blotter with tweezers after a while, and then drop the marquis? -- Will the colors always look "watery" since I am NOT putting the sample on a solid plate (like I would with MDMA)?
 
perp, I didn't mean to be a dick about it though ;) soz

cooldude I guess so, the color will indeed be diluted which is why you need to use a very minimal amount. I don't have the actual experience to prove it will work with just 1 hit of blotter - mg quantities of say NBOMe's are notorious for showing barely perceivable color. I understood that when I did the homework to produce the FAQ in the OP. However it's gonna have to work since Marquis and paper don't mix therefore we need to be rid of the paper and that means extracting. I guess you could evaporate whatever small volume of solvent you have and apply the reagent to the residu?
The only other measures I see is testing / extracting more than one hit unless you have a spectrograph handy, and the amount of liquid to use would IMO be as little as possible but still enough to soak and squeeze out of blotter paper and enough to be able to tell what color it is. Depending on how miniscule the container is you put it in just a sizeable droplet you can look at should be okay.
 
Ehh I'm going there....

I really dislike when people want to ban the drugs they don't like or kill of the 'scene' as they see it. Especially if they once sold those drugs/made a living from it.

Uuuurrrrrrrrrg. Burns my bridges especially because not everyone uses research chemicals to save money. Some of us can get anything you imagine and still prefer many of the research chemicals as our go-to psychedelics.

Jeez, I am sure you could be a nice guy in person but in on this topic in this tread.....I didn't like your post or anything you had to say. :p

Ok, I'm done.

<3

Botters are for LSD! Leave the NBOMEs in their vials, and make a solution for dosing (Which you leave in yer fridge of course, you don't take that stuff out).

ThaDudeAbides said:
Stick with LSD kids. As a retired RC vendor I have switched fences and wish the RC scene and quick and sudden death. Risking your life is not worth saving money aka dead presidents on dead trees.

The only good RC is MXE IMO, and even THAT has major addiction issues.
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ThaDudeAbides said:
Stick with LSD kids. As a retired RC vendor I have switched fences and wish the RC scene and quick and sudden death. Risking your life is not worth saving money aka dead presidents on dead trees.

The only good RC is MXE IMO, and even THAT has major addiction issues.
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Wow! What an astonishingly ignorant and childish thing to say... If you're going to lump every damn RC into one catagory you might as well just champion the old "all drugs are bad" notion. It's not like there's an epidemic of kids dying from 4 subbed Tryptamines for fuck sake!
Research chems are NOT dangerous because they are relatively unexplored in humans, that just makes them unknown. How much we know about a chemical does not not change its level danger. It only changes how much we know about it. The physical properties of any chemical remain the same no matter how much we look at it.
I have several VERY reliable vendors ( who are actually FAR more trustworthy than ANY street level drug dealer I've ever met. ) i can't tell you how many times in the past that I've purchased MDMA that's blatantly cut to shit with ????????
Is that scenario better than ordering near pharmasutical grade chemicals from a tested, true and trustworthy vendor? There are a lot if shitty and DANGEROUS RC's out there and a lot that are NOT dangerous at all! If you are a former vendor it only makes me wonder what sort of Shitty chemicals you were knowingly selling to people.
 
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Back on topic.... I'm thinking of laying some 2C-P onto blotters but I was actually curious about what is considered to be standard blotter size? 1mmx 1mm ? Because I'm planning on making 4mg blotters I'm probably going to make them 2mm x 1mm... I'm just curious about blotter size because I had read in this thread somewhere that a standard size blotters could hold a maximum of 2mg? Does that sound correct?
 
Solipsis,

Ok this is what I'm going to do:

1.) Put small amount of alcohol in glass vial (like the picture)

2.) Drop 2 blotters into vial (they are cheap so I don't mind dropping 2 in there)

3.) Maybe wait 5 minutes and then extract both paper blotters with tweezers

4.) Drop one drop of marquis into vial

5.) Evaluate color (I have the handy little "Substance graph" that comes with kits from dancesafe to let you know what colors equate to which substance ... Are you familiar with that chart?)


On step 3, should I wait a certain amount of time?

Can I complete the same procedure with my Mecke as well? -- Or is Marquis the only reagent that (in your opinion) is good for testing RC's, DOB, DOI ?? ( well damn, then I probably need 4 blotters to test...maybe I can do 1 blotter for each test....)


Thanks Soli
 
BillyBlue said:
After some experimentation I have some useful information regarding the EzTest brand of Ehrlich tests.

The instructions incuded with the EzTest are misleading because they clearly state that a reaction will be evident withing '1-2 minutes' of mixing the reagents. IME this is 100% false. Rather you don't see a colour change until up to 4+ hours after mixing. This is very misleading and, when the user doesn't see a reaction within 2 minutes they are lead to believe either i) that their product is bunk or ii) that the test kit is faulty.
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I have used these kits before &, when I asked about the strange colour after some hours, I was told right here in PD that only the initial reaction is relevent & any later colour changes are due to enviromental contamination. My blotter indicated Lysergamine present with a pale purple/pinky colour almost immediately but turned a dirty brown colour after an hour or two.

I'd like some back-up from other succesful users of Ehrlich if possible, we don't want any misinformation circulating here!
 
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