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Does weed really make you stupid ?

It can have some long ranging effects. I am surprised so little has been said about anxiety.

There may be much more to the difference of opinion than simply patterns of use or a mental constitution. This difference of opinion is perhaps due to a lack of any real organized comparison, or there may be some aspects of the drug nobody has yet to grasp.

It seems like other users are denying the problems presented. But does denial translate to low intelligence? I think the argument can be made that denial is kind of dumb.

Personally it left me and others I know altered for the worse. I think there are hard and soft effects. Soft effects, on their own are not damaging, short term effects lasting a few weeks or a month. Hard effects are cumulative, they are easy to miss because they are both subtle and irretrievable and using the drug is a great way to camouflage them. In some way, certain ones of us saw those issues develop where others did not.

I don't believe moderation changes the hard effects. I liked that "rant" by the way.
 
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thujone said:
It's often been said that the poison of weed is how benign it seems.
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true that. it's pretty harmless for your body, so people think that sitting on your ass 24/7 smoking pot and generally only being stoned doing nothing else will not have any consequence - but while cannabis won't hurt you the sedentary lifestyle is detrimental for your health and also it will drain your Soul

as to the OP, I don't think weed makes you stupid.it certainly doesn't lower your I.Q. that is.
it certainly makes you "slow" and lazy and you may laugh at dumb stuff so that you might look stupid, but your intelligence is still there and it's up to you wether to use it or not ;)
 
slimvictor said:
I wrote most of my MA thesis and PhD dissertation while high, and it slowed me down in some ways, but helped enormously in other ways. Attention to detail was worsened, but ability to make grand theoretical statements was augmented.
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Same here, that's why I disagree with simplistic statements like 'weed makes people stupid' and 'I hate it, so we should eliminate it from the planet'... Weed can definitely be useful for creative and imaginative work, but it can be far less useful for memorizing information or engaging in repetitive tasks. In my MA program a huge proportion of the students were regular pot users, and most of them have successfully finished the program and went on to work in their chosen field. I certainly wouldn't qualify them as 'stupid', or as affected by some kind of evil parasite that rots their brains.
 
rave_itsrealfun!!! said:
The nature of the weed high is to make me lose focus, and it kills the part of me that is responsible for having the motivational drive to do things, so it makes me very lazy to boot. I think about doing stuff, instead of actually doing anything when I'm stoned. I become a passive burnout even with very limited use. It also has always made me extremely panicky and anxious out of nowhere. It is the opposite of relaxing. I have never met a soul who benefitted from the use of this drug. I've known all types of people who smoke it, and the story is always the same. They will defend their overuse of weed to grave, with the same common arguments such as "it's less harmful than alcohol" while they waste thousands of dollars on their nasty bad habit that gets them nowhere except smell bad with black lungs, and makes them less interesting to be around. Every time you see these potheads they are stoned, for the obvious reason that they are very dependent on it which they will never admit to.



When I'm stoned, it really does make me stupid. I am an absolute dumbass, useless fuck when I'm baked. When I'm off the stuff, I resume the course of my life as a successful engineer. When I'm stoned, that part of my life doesn't mean shit. All I care about is being lazy and getting another hit. I will spend $20,000 on weed without thinking twice about it, while irresponsibly cutting out money from other important financials, until I regain my intellectual ability after going through the hell of withdrawal and realize how I was chasing a high that I had too much of a tolerance to feel anymore. However, due to the deluding and addictive nature of the drug, I had to fully get off the stuff before I was able to admit to that. Cannabis has a strong addictive potential, as is exemplified by my severe addiction to something that made me plain stupid and lazy. The cravings to smoke this garbage and the nightmare of withdrawal were so intense that it took me 5 years of attempts to finally quit.

I know a lot of smart people who smoke pot every day. However, all of these people are running a big risk to their long term mental health, and all of them would be better off and even smarter if they never smoked this stupid trash. Smart people are still capable of making dumb decisions, as there are many different types of intelligence. Cannabis is a parasite that attacks humanity in an attempt by mother nature to slow down the technological progress of mankind and it should be ideally be eliminated from this planet. Legalizing it would be like setting off one big dumb bomb for everyone.
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Seriously lol? That sounds like displacing blame to avoid the truth. You become lazy because YOU are lazy.
 
Beavesmx44 said:
Seriously lol? That sounds like displacing blame to avoid the truth. You become lazy because YOU are lazy.
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I agree with this, 100%. If someone is drunk and does something stupid, they might try to blame the alcohol.
Sorry, you need to take responsibility for your actions. Or inactions.

pmoseman said:
This is idiotic. When people are stoned they don't do as much.
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Speak in blanket generalizations much?
 
Beavesmx44 said:
Seriously lol? That sounds like displacing blame to avoid the truth. You become lazy because YOU are lazy.
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Exactly. Not quitting sooner was were he went wrong. You cant blame a drug and cannabis doesn't have an "addictive nature." Lots of people smoke weed because they know its relatively safe and they want some kind of vice. The same people that get strung out on pot would definitely get strung out on something stronger.
 
This is anecdotal.

When I smoked a lot of weed, I noticed that I was messier, lazier and overall slower. I don't know if that was the weed or just me being a piece of shit. I would guess it was a combo of both.

I still do smoke occasionally and if I smoke too much I cannot do anything that requires concentration or brain power. I just sit around and think about things too hard and get paranoid. However, I enjoy relaxing after a few drinks and a puff or two of a J.

Also, I have never gotten laid or retained a new client by being high but I have been successful at both over drinks.
 
slimvictor said:
I agree with this, 100%. If someone is drunk and does something stupid, they might try to blame the alcohol.
Sorry, you need to take responsibility for your actions. Or inactions.


Speak in blanket generalizations much?
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I am not making up generalizations just saying it is idiotic to castigate a user of marijuana for seeing that $20k worth of weed caused them to be less active. Weed makes people less active. Simple fact.

Yes. If someone does something stupid while drunk then being drunk made them act more stupid. Simple fact.

These drugs are not 100% responsible, but that is the usual; it is not reasonable to blame the individual 100% either. Other people and things can be majorly responsible for your behavior.

As a matter of practice you may not let people use drug intake as an excuse, assuming they intended to take the drug, but the substances fundamentally alters who we are.

I think, as you do apparently, people who abuse drugs are responsible for taking them and will continue until they realize that they need to stop. They are responsible for what happens as a result, but I also realize people may have issues when trying to quit or with having no real experience, which means outcomes may be unexpected and beyond their control.

Using a drug as an excuse for all your own shortcomings is a fruitless endeavor, but so is thinking you have total control.
 
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^ I agree with most of what you said, in general.

However, not this:

Weed makes people less active. Simple fact.
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It actually makes me much more active. I cannot sleep when high. If I am even a little bit high, I will lay in bed for hours, until I come down, before I can sleep. If I smoke at night, I cannot sleep for 4-5 hours, regardless of how tired I may be.
When I get high, I have so much energy that I like to go for a jog, or do intense yoga, and I can sit and work on creative stuff for hours, thanks to the energy.
 
I have an answer.

everyones diffferent. So. Generally. No.

But the analogy I will draw is between a achievement test, and an intellgience test.

Smoking pot doesnt stop you from learning a thing. But its stops you from learning.

The only discrepancy i see between pro, con, Pro-pro, proish, foozeballs the devil, etc, opinions on this, is this fact.

It lowers or stops learning of coping meachisms and behaviors. Which slows learning of maturity.
 
slimvictor said:
It actually makes me much more active. I cannot sleep when high. If I am even a little bit high, I will lay in bed for hours, until I come down, before I can sleep. If I smoke at night, I cannot sleep for 4-5 hours, regardless of how tired I may be.
When I get high, I have so much energy that I like to go for a jog, or do intense yoga, and I can sit and work on creative stuff for hours, thanks to the energy.
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Yeah it makes me more active as well. Mind starts darting around and I can't sleep, chill and watch tv, or anything like that.

It does motivate to clean the house, exercise, sort the bills or something like that. I catch myself pacing around my house sometimes. In some ways, I'm more productive b/c I have to move around until the plateau kicks in.
 
It's a CNS(Central Nervous System) depressant, of course it slows us down! Our nervous system is responsible for how we send and recieve information.

Brain damage? Well, simply scratching our head leads to brain cells dieing. There is no proof that THC alone is responsible for brain damage, the matabolization of it does not cause any brain injury; permanent or temporary. Unlike drugs such as dissociatives which are proven to.

Does being high make one stupid? Well, I personally don't believe in such harsh words but if stupidity were to arise it's a result of the person; not the drug.
 
You appear to assume (anecdotal) that the effect(s) smoking cannabis had on you, and consequential life difficulties you experienced applies to all.

You didn't say (or more than likely know) which/what cultivar(s) you were using. Even if you did, it wouldnt matter. If you assume one strain or cultivar has the same chemical composition or all weed has a homogenous effect, i would strongly challenge this notion.

In my experience (anecdotal) I have smoked many strains that do seem to tip in the direction of making one "OK" with whatever seems to be going on in the moment; be it an xbox game "couch-locked" when you have a paper due, or finishing your masterpiece while the neighbors dog barks chorus and refrain instead of grating your brain. It seems to be a level of contentment one achieves as opposed to "laziness"

Ive also experienced pleasant strains that I term "daily's due to their ability to energize w/o body and head drain and focus w/o anergia and fuzziness. Seem to be the less prevalent ones imo, so I can agree that your experience could have very well been the most common experience to be had at present time.

My guess is if we could look at strain/context, we would see some apples and oranges falling from them there trees.
If my only experience of cannabis was bullrider, kalimist, grape-ape, etc...I would certainly be in your camp..

Not one medical user i know who has had a Physicians referral ever told me that it was contraindicated or anything that might be helpful matching strain effect to desired or intended consequences beyond "you should probably stick with indicas". Beyond that, one is left to consult a commercial vendor (primary care taker or coop in ca) that will push whatever product moves the most green. Specifically, heavy producing strains that have the most pronounced and often debilitating effect....thats just what the folks who are the most and spend the most buy.

When we say "weed" we are talking about many different things.
I would also submit to you for consideration, that the very forum we are posting on as well as dozens of other pro-cannabis hobbyist sites are some of the most trafficked highest membership and huge content producing sites out there. Laziness is not what comes to mind when I grasp the breadth and depth users are willing to go to appreciate and advance our understanding of its use.
 
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