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Regardless of whether people use terminology correctly or not, however (and I don't believe they ever will) , saying something that equates to (or appears to equate to) "depression builds character" is always going to provoke a backlash.

Thankfully we now have clarification.
 
^ I quite agree with that.

But I think you're barking up the wrong tree when you look for people to use the terminology "correctly". Generally, they are using it correctly, but they are using the word in a sense other than the specialised, psychiatric sense :)
 
But I think you're barking up the wrong tree when you look for people to use the terminology "correctly". Generally, they are using it correctly, but they are using the word in a sense other than the specialised, psychiatric sense :)

I'm not asking people to use terminology correctly in every instance. Not at all.

The words 'schizophrenic', 'bipolar', 'manic' etc are all misused - sometimes, like today, in my workplace. I'm not going to get exercised over that.
 
^ I quite agree with that.

But I think you're barking up the wrong tree when you look for people to use the terminology "correctly". Generally, they are using it correctly, but they are using the word in a sense other than the specialised, psychiatric sense :)

Agreed too, BUT there's terminology and terms of references used within the field, which altho may mean different things to different people (and diagnosis isn't universal between the 'professionals') ... but said differentiations in the meaning of that nomenclature is still an improvement on personal terminology which can be offensive and trivialise how a person is feeling.
 
Yes it does describe a mental illness. Like I said, it has a specific meaning in a clinical setting, but even then it doesn't refer to one static set of symptoms experienced identically by everyone who receives that diagnosis.

( I don't use multi quote so you'll have to bear with me;) )

The above could be said about many conditions, in fact in terms of 'identically' pretty much any condition.

I think you're just describing sloppy use of the language, if we are talking about someone’s mental state and we use the word 'Depression' then I would take that to mean that that person is suffering from Depression.

There are scales of the condition as there are for many, granted the measurement is more difficult than say a skin condition where the symptoms are there to be seen.

It is a sensitive subject and one that will provoke a reaction when it is seemingly belittled by insensitive use of language, I'm not suggesting that anyone has done that here but the discussion of semantics doesn’t detract from fact that in this context the word was clearly being used to describe a persons mental state.

Maybe we can discuss the word 'pedantic' next :D
 
Don't be silly ... at the point anyone who's suffering from genuine depression of any kind reads, 'depression CAN be an amazing thing' ... from your post, things were going to obviously get taken out of context. Understandably. That's all. Didn't really matter what you said before and after.

I agree with a lot of the content you wrote. And, at the risk of creating a similar reaction, but to support your theory, I can honestly say that year long Reactive Depression I suffered, (terminology from my Doc, altho terms for depression change rapidly and are argued over hugely) and was off work for, is the single greatest thing ever to have happened to me in my life. retrospectively. Didn't feel like it at the time but it had, to use your word, amazing consequences which changed me forever. Within a year of being back to work, my whole perspective on life changed with immeasurable significance to the rest of my life.

My original post and description of depression was always in consideration and respondence of ScotchMist's case. When people dragged in their own tales of more severe cases of clinical depression they were misrepresenting the aim of my post and what it catered for.

I'll say it again, depression can be an amazing pre-cursor for stimulating needed changes to ones thinking and lifestyle, in the same way pain is invaluable at stopping us from damaging ourselves. Clinical problems with pain and depression however, are not applicable to SM's case which I was responding too.

Throwing LSD into the cycle I consider a misuse of the drug, and hints at some kind of doubt in his own capabilities at dealing with problems. I see that as dangerous.

When dealing with issues; people should look to themselves and others. That is where development begins. Turning to drugs as a resort to "fix" problems is to regard them above our own natural ability to deal with issues. It's this mindset which I was opposed to.
 
I'm not asking people to use terminology correctly in every instance. Not at all.

The words 'schizophrenic', 'bipolar', 'manic' etc are all misused - sometimes, like today, in my workplace. I'm not going to get exercised over that.

hahaha. hahaha!

It's not a matter of "correctly" or "incorrectly".

You're right, those terms are all misused. However, they have valid meanings outside psychiatry, and those meanings are different to the psychiatric meanings.

Take "schizophrenic". Schizophrenia is a term used in psychiatry to refer to a cluster of symptoms which, it is believed have some unifying factor, as the symptoms (delusions, confusion, paranoia, etc) are frequently "co-morbid". Back in the bad old days, there was a theory that people thus afflicted had some sort of split in their mind (hence the name; schizo is etymologically related to the word schism, i.e. a split or division). Modern psychiatry (AFAICT) no longer gives credence to that that "split personality" notion.

But the word "schizophrenic" took on a life all it's own beyond the strict psychiatric sense. In everyday language, we can use the word simply to mean "showing markedly inconsistent or self-contradictory behaviour". So one day I can be on EADD and nice as pie, being lovely to everyone and making friends. Then the next I might come on to EADD and call everyone a cunt and unfairly hand out infractions left, right and centre. If I did that, people might call me "schizophrenic". The would not be wrong! They would be correct. They wouldn't be using the word in it's psychiatric sense, they would be using it in it's vulgar sense.

Admittedly, not everyone is fully conscious all the time of how words have this "schizophrenic" nature, so people do get confused. I get confused by it. But since I came to accept that the English language is ambiguous and it's words are "schizophrenic" in the vernacular sense, I am less likely to get in a pickle :)

Bipolar: have bipolar magnets here... ok this is less commonly used out side the psychiatric meaning, but it can be used to mean other things.

Manic: A specific psychiatric mood "disorder". But also, "frantically busy; hectic.". Neither meaning is incorrect, they are simply two different senses of the word.

I think you're just describing sloppy use of the language, if we are talking about someone’s mental state and we use the word 'Depression' then I would take that to mean that that person is suffering from Depression.

No it's not sloppy, though I can see how it can be perceived as sloppy. But it's really just down to this English language having words with multiple senses. It's a confusing language.

Depression and it's different senses; they're in the Oxford English Dictionary. Are they sloppy? Look the word up! OK you might not have one but I do.

OED said:
depression, noun
1. ASTRONOMY etc. Angular distance below the horizon or a horizontal plane.
2. Defeat, suppression, degradation (now rare or obsolete)
3. Dejection, melancholy, low spirits. (b) MEDICINE A pathological state of excessive melancholy, characterized by a mood of hopelessness, with feelings of inadequacy, and sometimes physical symptoms.
4. Lowering in physical position
...

So the psychiatric term is actually a specialisation of one sense of the word (3b).

The OED meanings are listed chronologically, oldest first. So it's first use was in astronomy, then later it came to mean defeat, then later "dejection, melancholy", and this sense was picked up by psychiatrists who used it as a label for a set of symptoms.

Just because psychiatrists are professionals and experts, doesn't mean they can take words and stop them being used in whatever way they were used beforehand.


Pedantic, accurate, all a matter of perspective ;)
 
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Yes, yes, yes, absolutely. Those words have different uses, but when I say 'misuse', I mean people appropriating them in the context of their (mis)understanding of mental illness. Not somebody saying "ooh, it's manic today".

None of this changes the fact that raas' post appeared to be trivialising depression; something which you yourself seemed to believe at the time.

I'm not sure who you're arguing with, but you're making a good fist of it! :D
 
It was a wild guess.

May not be long before I can actually say "I don't do drugs" with conviction. We'll see.

Bluelight can certainly be some fantastic aversion therapy, that's for sure.
 
Yes, yes, yes, absolutely. Those words have different uses, but when I say 'misuse', I mean people appropriating them in the context of their (mis)understanding of mental illness. Not somebody saying "ooh, it's manic today".

None of this changes the fact that raas' post appeared to be trivialising depression; something which you yourself seemed to believe at the time.

As was your own response. You did exactly the same, and then went even further to make up a sample of people to generalise about.
 
decided to gum like 4 single particles from my powder etizolam baggie. Don't think I feel much but I daren't do any more.
 
Oh, and 312.39.

I have very patchy eyebrows and nostrils which are inflamed from hair-pulling. I used to have bald patches on my head too.

Thankfully not 301.20. Though I lived in fear for a while.

Thanks, inflorescence! :D
 
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