Gibberings CLVIII: pussy .gifs, but not the sort you'd think

[Raasyvibe]

from someone who has almost successfully killed himself from such things who in their right mind tells someone to take lsd when depressed have you ever had a bad trip ?

i can get hospital reports of one of mine from when i was 17 textbook mental and physical breakdown on the stuff i went clinically insane because of using it in the way you are suggesting harm reduction you want stringing up for such stupidity

No FoolsGold, you've completely misread my post. I was telling him NOT to take LSD when depressed.

if you choose to use acid occasionally... save it for a better time and place.

It was Knock, who was saying he should take LSD when he's low.

I actually totally agree with your anger towards Knock, FG, what an awful, careless thing for him to suggest...

from someone who has almost successfully killed himself from such things who in their right mind tells someone to take lsd when depressed have you ever had a bad trip ?

Quoted for Truth.

Knock, read, this is also why acid is not a particularly good choice of anti-depressant.

 

[Marmalade]

Depression is an inevitable part of the human condition imo, and it's inevitable at some point most people will experiences it. There are different types tho.

It's not so good if you have other conditions. especially other ones that also affect how your mind functions.

I had reactive depression for the 1st time in about 2000/2001. If I hadn't had depression then, I'd hate to think of how I would be now, and what kind of person. It pretty much saved my sanity, and instigated a motivation to change my thought processes. I was studying philosophy a bit at the time it happened, and I think the two factors coupled together created a huge willingness to change my outlook on life.

I've had depression on and off ever since, but I've learned how to manage it and work around it. It's a difficult thing to keep ontop of tho.

 

[knock]

tl;dr

Sorry that was just a ridiculously long post

raas: I am just saying I don't find any reason in your argument about LSD and depression. It's like some sort of myth or old wife's tale, made up shit.

Sure LSD might not help someone with depression. But it's not because it's performing some function that your brain needs to be allowed to develop on it's own.

LSD is just a fucking drug, it's not some magical dust. Sure, it's "magical", it has astonishing effects. But whatever happens to your brain on LSD is 99.999% your brain, not the LSD.

We can talk about drug molecules till the cows come cycling home, it won't tell us much about the psychedelic experience. The psychedelic experience is something your brain does, LSD is like a key that unlocks a door to a room filled with treasure. The key was pretty handy, but it's the treasure in the room that we're really interested in.

I am just keen that people make use of reason. It scares me that people choose not to use reason and instead believe in mystical things, fun though that may be.

It was Knock, who was saying he should take LSD when he's low.

I actually totally agree with your anger towards Knock, FG, what an awful, careless thing for him to suggest...

No, no, no! I did not suggest anyone should use LSD when they're low.

I try to be very careful in my use of words. Unfortunately people aren't so careful when they read the bloody things.

 

[Sammy G]

.. depression can be an amazing thing, as it gives reason for us to search for answers to overcome problems.

No, depression will not 'give you reason to search for answers to overcome problems'. Will it fuck. Depression will destroy your ability to even identify your problems, and shatter the motivation and drive to overcome practically anything.

I think a couple of people are confusing 'depression' with 'melancholy' or just general existential crises. Which can share similar features, but real depression they ain't. I'm sure they aren't being intentionally ignorant, but it trivialises the struggle that thousands of clinically-depressed people face if they read such wrong-headed tosh as 'depression can be a wonderful thing'.

Foolsgold's description is far more accurate.

 

[knock]

^ yes what sam said. Sure, when you're at your lowest you have to find some way back up. But it's not "thanks to the depression", it's in spite of it. The only positive thing that I can take out of depression is that it makes it easier to understand what it's like for others.

You might say that having the plague is good because it gives you strength. Actually, those who survive plague have really good immune systems. Those that don't, don't survive.

 

[ScotchMist]

Fear not BL crew, im fine... dandy even...

As sam said, there's some confusion about my mental state here, im not depressed, fed up, yes... I dont think i mentioned depression, I said I felt low, im no doctor but I think there's quite a difference.

Im feeling rather refreshed, there was no massive insights, however I enjoyed myself, thought a bit about what I can be doing to make myself happier and generally just smiled and watched all the pretty stuff swhirl around....

I even enjoyed my Oliver Reed impersonation the following night, all up until I woke the next day.

Apologies if I caused any concern.

 

[masaz]

Dunno her situation but I'd want to be told if uni had already started. It can be a pain if you're behind everyone else and always playing catch up.

Yeah, I sent her a message. Still no reply. Now I'm convinced she's dead but more likely this isn't working out and I just can't convince my brain to let go. But she is aware now at least!

The pilght of tigers especially the magnificent Siberain tigers makes me a weepy mush, and i dont even have PMT to blame. They are perhaps the most magnificent wild animal roaming this planet, and their endangered species status really quite upsets me. Particularly when hunger forces to stray into populated areas, and the locals trap them and stone them to death and things like that makes me very angry. In fairness it is not fair to blame the villagers, their own survival may also be at stake if the tigers are killing the livestock on which they depend. There has been talk for a few years of getting the whole of Tibet turned into a tiger sanctuary zone, if this was to happen and be properly enforced there would be hope for them. Otherwise we may well be mourning their extinction during the course of our own lifetimes.

Yeah it's fucking awful A tiger sanctuary zone would be great if properly enforced as you say. Would be awful to see them extinct, along with a lot of other animals, but for some reason it's the tigers that get me. I think cos they seem so powerful and one looked like it was crying and oh god I'm going to set myself off again. Pandas also make me sad but its mostly their own fault for being bad at fucking.

Barely slept. Had horrible nightmares but all I can remember about them is 'spider people'

 

[Bearlove]

Yeah Pandas are annoying creatures - so selective that they only eat Bamboo. It's about as nutritious as cardboard so they have no time to do anything other than eat - no wonder they are endangered.

Theres a great documentary on National Geo that I only say the other day - 'Wild unlikely animal friendships', Baby Rhino with a Sheep as its friend etc. Well worth a watch.

Mind you there are a few nutcases in one of them - Bloke who keeps a seal in his house, another with a pet sheep that lives in his home etc (house covered in shit etc).

 

[ColtDan]

depression can be an amazing thing, as it gives reason for us to search for answers to overcome problems.

I've never read such absolute fucking bullshit in my life.

You really are a cunt.

 

[Uncle Robert]

Yeah, I sent her a message. Still no reply. Now I'm convinced she's dead but more likely this isn't working out and I just can't convince my brain to let go. But she is aware now at least!

Definitely the right decision. Sorry it isn't working out

 

[maxalfie]

My French teacher taught me to say "pain" and "beurre" - it's her bread and butter.

 

[knock]

Fear not BL crew, im fine... dandy even...

As sam said, there's some confusion about my mental state here, im not depressed, fed up, yes... I dont think i mentioned depression, I said I felt low, im no doctor but I think there's quite a difference.

Im feeling rather refreshed, there was no massive insights, however I enjoyed myself, thought a bit about what I can be doing to make myself happier and generally just smiled and watched all the pretty stuff swhirl around....

I even enjoyed my Oliver Reed impersonation the following night, all up until I woke the next day.

Apologies if I caused any concern.

Sorry if you feel you were being psychoanalysed online :D Glad you had a good time and are feeling fine. To some extent, you were being psychoanalysed. However, I don't think that lasted very long. Very often a general discussion will be sparked by a personal remark or situation, and the discussion takes place "in the abstract", i.e. is not about you any more, but is about the general case typified by your situation or comment. I know it's difficult not to feel like you're being spoken about when this happens, but on my part, at least, the points I was making were about raas's approach to presenting a case against use of LSD at certain times, and his approach to argument generally, and really not at all about you or your specific situation.

So please don't take all that as personal comment because it really wasn't. Maybe I should have made a separate thread about it, but then you might feel you were getting a thread made all about you.

(and raas, sorry (just a little bit anyway) if that pissed you off too )

 

[masaz]

Definitely the right decision. Sorry it isn't working out

Thanks Is hard as hell to actually admit to myself but it's the best thing to do.

My French teacher taught me to say "pain" and "beurre" - it's her bread and butter.

Mate you need your own 'pun of the day' thread, genuinely cheers me up every fucking time

 

[Marmalade]

I think a couple of people are confusing 'depression' with 'melancholy' or just general existential crises. Which can share similar features, but real depression they ain't. I'm sure they aren't being intentionally ignorant, but it trivialises the struggle that thousands of clinically-depressed people face if they read such wrong-headed tosh as 'depression can be a wonderful thing'.

Before I add my twopennuth, can I ask which couple of people were you referring to? I assume one to be Raas, due to the general response he got ... not sure who the 'others' are.

 

[Sammy G]

I don't know. I hadn't read the full thread, so I assumed more than one person had put forward the "depression can be good for you" angle. I was more keen to offer my perspective than I was to criticise that of others.

Jesus, perhaps?

 

[knock]

I'd like to note that the word "depression" has a multitude of meanings and nuances. It means different things in different contexts. Even within a specific context, e.g. the psychiatric context, it covers a range of experiences.

But, I've said this before, and I was wasting my time then, so I probably shouldn't waste my time now.

 

[masaz]

Mind you there are a few nutcases in one of them - Bloke who keeps a seal in his house, another with a pet sheep that lives in his home etc (house covered in shit etc).

I would legit keep a seal in my house, a la Andre. I'd set it on cunts trying to sell me double glazing. It'd be like the Japanese version of basically anything. You set seal on me? Well mines got neon samurai armour and it shoots lasers out its arse so FUCK OFF

Ooh Pet Shop Boys time

 

[Sammy G]

I'd like to note that the word "depression" has a multitude of meanings and nuances. It means different things in different contexts. Even within a specific context, e.g. the psychiatric context, it covers a range of experiences.

But, I've said this before, and I was wasting my time then, so I probably shouldn't waste my time now.

Why do you feel you're wasting your time?

 

[Raasyvibe]

depression can be an amazing thing what bollock you have never suffer proper depression spouting shit like that it is debilitating crippling and soul sucking

No, depression will not 'give you reason to search for answers to overcome problems'. Will it fuck. Depression will destroy your ability to even identify your problems, and shatter the motivation and drive to overcome practically anything.

... ...

Foolsgold's description is far more accurate.

^ yes what sam said. Sure, when you're at your lowest you have to find some way back up. But it's not "thanks to the depression", it's in spite of it. The only positive thing that I can take out of depression is that it makes it easier to understand what it's like for others.

I've never read such absolute fucking bullshit in my life.

Guys, guys, guys... GUYS!!

I didn't say "Depression is ALWAYS an amazing thing and always helps us". I said :

depression can be an amazing thing, as it gives reason for us to search for answers to overcome problems.

Key word, "Can".

My statement is true in my own personal experience, and I'm sure millions of others. Depression is something that forces us to think differently, change our thinking patterns and this is what really develops us and strengthens us as individuals.

I was not referring Clinical Depression and related disorders here. I was referring to ScotchMists post, where he described himself as going "through a bad time". Now he even admits he wouldn't class his bad spell as depression:

"im not depressed, fed up, yes... I dont think i mentioned depression, I said I felt low",






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It's like some sort of myth or old wife's tale, made up shit.

What?! An old Wives tale? You've baffled me here.

I am stating that there is a process in the mind, where ones low state of mind or "depression", depending on how it's defined, becomes a pre-cursor to personal development and broadening of mind. This is not made up or some myth; it's how we work. As attested by millions.

We all have the capability to overcome bad times and become stronger for it and find a happy state of mind.

The psychedelic experience is something your brain does, LSD is like a key that unlocks a door to a room filled with treasure. The key was pretty handy, but it's the treasure in the room that we're really interested in

Very nice. But when the mind has the potential to overcome problems completely by itself... It's just not necessary to "unlock a door to a room filled with treasure".

If the depression is so bad, that it becomes clinical... get some help, therapy, medication, whatever... taking LSD and "unlocking that door" in this state could be extremely dangerous... as kindly attested by foolsgold above.

No, no, no! I did not suggest anyone should use LSD when they're low.

I try to be very careful in my use of words. Unfortunately people aren't so careful when they read the bloody things

Well, ScotchMist is going through a bad time. In his own words "low". He chooses to take LSD as a remedy. I argue not to take it, but to deal with the issues himself as he is more than capable... and save the LSD for a better time. You are arguing (many times above) that I am wrong, and it's fine to use the LSD while he is low.

So yes, I can't see how you're not being a proponent for using LSD as a remedy for his low state of mind.

 

[Marmalade]

I don't know. I hadn't read the full thread, so I assumed more than one person had put forward the "depression can be good for you" angle. I was more keen to offer my perspective than I was to criticise that of others.

Jesus, perhaps?

Your post was exceptionally critical imo, and very ignorant, and also pretty generically thoughtless too it seems, especially commenting about 'others peoples' opinions and making 'assumptions' about something that may or may not have happened. You could and should have addressed Raas directly like everyone else, instead of thriving on ambiguity. Offering your perspective therefore, doesn't really hold much merit or use really, especially with the gross generalisations you used.

And I asked the question that I did, for the exact reason of avoiding the assumption making you just did, so I could address individual points fairly. I think the topic (and people involved) deserve more respect on that score, as well as not being 'generalised' with the flippant statements that you made ... 'melancholy' ..

I'd like to note that the word "depression" has a multitude of meanings and nuances. It means different things in different contexts. Even within a specific context, e.g. the psychiatric context, it covers a range of experiences.

But, I've said this before, and I was wasting my time then, so I probably shouldn't waste my time now.

And THIS was exactly where I was going to go. It's much more helpful than dishing out offensive (to the topic) words like 'melancholy' and 'existential crisis'

Thanks for clarifying that knock

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Allein also has made some good comments on the above many times here. There are scales, there are many differing kinds, and it's respectful, if youre going to comment to maybe use some of the correct terminology, and respect the semantics on the subject. Being flippant to either extreme when talking about depression is not in anyway helpful to those reading and maybe suffering.

I'd save the 'melancholy' descriptions for reviewing Tim Burton movies, and instead do some research on the actual differences between the many different kinds of depression.