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[MEGA] Synthetic Cannabinoid Discussion - Take 4

thenightwatch said:
it only occurs sometimes, possibly also tied to caffeine consumption. it causes my muscles to feel stiff. i smoked a few times yesterday and didn't experience it. i think there is a good chance it might just be psychosomatic. if it happens again, i will make sure to detail the effects while they are still occurring so i can be more descriptive.
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I can attest to the caffeine combo with Akb48, but only with coffee, not so much with tea, this was quite pronounced in the body and not the same as the usual heart race one would expect from OD, muscular/vascular makes sense.
 
Wow so american bluelighters can buy it in powder form and thats stronger and you can smoke it out of a glass pipe

Ours down under is sold like the weed plant but different. Smells heaps different from weed. Doesnt last long but hits you so you smoke more. Im done with it now but i had a 4-5 a day per week habit for a couple of months.

It does something to my body when im regulary smoking either on it or off it. I cant quite put my finger on it but its doing something thats not quite right. Physically and mentally and its really hard to stop when in a habit and when i didnt have any i couldnt sleep

My friends eye had been twitching a while and when she switched back to real weed it stopped. I had a few suicidal thoughts when i was trying to stop and had been free of it for 3 days plus. Really depressed and emotional. The suicidal thoughts scared me cos i dont think about that at all and i even started thinking about plans. Little worrying
 
Buying it in herbal form, you're just getting ripped off; I've seen prices exceeding high-grade weed for the pre-made herb. Smoking the pure powder is dicey though - this is extremely potent stuff, and easy to smoke far too much. It's safer and far, far, cheaper to buy powdered noids, acetone, and a herb you want to smoke (I just use marshmallow leaf), then make the blend yourself.

I try to stick to 2-3 joints a night and, if I don't smoke one, haven't had insomnia or anything, but then people have different reactions to drugs, I guess.

Edit: I've noticed some new noids on sale: THJ2201 and THJ180 (might've got the second one wrong though). Anybody smoked these yet by any chance?
 
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I dont think they sell it in powder form here. Even whatever plant they're using is banned here now so lucky to get that. Id rather smoke nothing if i cant get real weed. Glad i got myself off that. Everything or something wasnt right about it
 
yeah smoking the pure powder can be dangerous - yesterday I vaped off of foil a bit less of what I would put in a cig and got way too high, i thought my heart was exploding. but when the crazy HR subsided it oeft me with a very pleasant body high.
soo yeah the pure powder can be dangerous and it'way better to make your own blend... but compared to pre-mades atleast with the powder if things go south I know what i 'm overdosing on!
 
I smoked 10g of STS-135 in 20 days: 500mg per day. I can't believe I got addicted to synthnoids again (last time with MAM-2201, the king of all noids). I'm now on my 2nd day since I stopped smoking STS-135, and I can feel my mental agility coming back rapidly.
 
dopemegently said:
Edit: I've noticed some new noids on sale: THJ2201 and THJ180 (might've got the second one wrong though). Anybody smoked these yet by any chance?
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not getting good reviews, tho there was on THJ mentioned in this thread pages back that is.
 
ComfortablyNumb95 said:
yeah smoking the pure powder can be dangerous - yesterday I vaped off of foil a bit less of what I would put in a cig and got way too high, i thought my heart was exploding. but when the crazy HR subsided it oeft me with a very pleasant body high.
soo yeah the pure powder can be dangerous and it'way better to make your own blend... but compared to pre-mades atleast with the powder if things go south I know what i 'm overdosing on!
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yes that is very important to know, and to tell the ER people, as there are known antidotes (reverse agonist) that will remedy overdoes or at the least slow down damaging effects.
 
So many noids out there right now. I may try one of these new thj variants, but I'm pretty happy with what's on offer already, though I never did smoke ne1 or sts-135, but a blend of akb48, pb-22, and bb-25 is my preferred smoke right now, tbh I'll probably stick with that, although I'm buying 2 G's of AB fubinaca this week, after hearing glowing reports. I just wonder how long till the next wave of bans...
 
doofqueen said:
I dont think they sell it in powder form here. Even whatever plant they're using is banned here now so lucky to get that. Id rather smoke nothing if i cant get real weed. Glad i got myself off that. Everything or something wasnt right about it
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You can't buy noids in Oz at all? Shit, that's not good, I hope it doesn't get like that everywhere. A common herb used to make blends is marshmallow, damiana, among others, and there's no way they could make those illegal; they're not even psychoactive at all.
 
foolsgold said:
ive just been reading that they may be carcinogenic in another forum the thj that is
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that's because there is so much shotty info on the net about these new emerging noids.

for one the vendors do not always supply accurate chemical names,

secondly researchers who do have correct information are leery of sharing it due to it getting into the wrong hands (the feds)

so an environment of secrecy and danger has been purposefully created by the man so they can come in like big hero's and save the day.

the initial worry over THJ series was the (naphthalen-1-yl) being reported to be in the compounds by the vendors, this turned out to be false information for many of them (THJ-2201 withstanding) anyone who has smoked AM-2201 already went down that road with this far less dangerous than naphthylamine, naphthalenyl.

in some of the cases the naphthalen has been replaced by aminoquinoline derivatives which hold their own unique danger to the human body but not carcinogenic (we discussed that here already)
 
thenightwatch said:
no personal experience, but the only one i've seen getting good reviews is 5F-THJ-122
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I think any THJ series noid that adds the (5-fluoropentyl) tail is going to have a higher affinity than it's non fluoro counterpart.

this has something to do with fluoropentyl's binding potential IMHO.
 
jeremysdemo said:
that's because there is so much shotty info on the net about these new emerging noids.

for one the vendors do not always supply accurate chemical names,

secondly researchers who do have correct information are leery of sharing it due to it getting into the wrong hands (the feds)

so an environment of secrecy and danger has been purposefully created by the man so they can come in like big hero's and save the day.

the initial worry over THJ series was the (naphthalen-1-yl) being reported to be in the compounds by the vendors, this turned out to be false information for many of them (THJ-2201 withstanding) anyone who has smoked AM-2201 already went down that road with this far less dangerous than naphthylamine, naphthalenyl.

in some of the cases the naphthalen has been replaced by aminoquinoline derivatives which hold their own unique danger to the human body but not carcinogenic (we discussed that here already)
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cheers for the reply's you sure know your stuff :)
 
thenightwatch said:
so BB-22 was great at first, but lately i've been feeling like it has some strange action on my body aside from just its cannabinoid effects. can't say i recommend it.

maybe its just psychosomatic, but it makes my whole body feel stiff. like its having an inflammatory effect instead of the usual cannabinoid anti-inflammatory effect.
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I went through three grams of a sprayed blend over 2.5 months. Dose approx the space at the end of a cig each night. Near the end of my allotted supply I noticed tolerance, though not particularly significant. The propensity of 8-OH-Quinoline as a chelating/transcription inhibiting agent kept me very wary of dose, however this was the only noid I had access to with a reliable analytic report (I am unable to partake in the real stuff anymore). No noticeable emergent adverse effects to report, although, I reiterate, my dose was kept very low for the duration of use.
 
I already miss my ab-fubinaca, its the only cannabinoid i fucked around with longer and in its purest form. I really liked how it was orally active in minuscule amounts, without dissolving it in fat. I think i'm going to order some grams of it , to stash it away. Its so cheap and potent it will last a long time for me. Only if it wasn't so addicting. I really like strong sedative effects of drugs (diazepam, methadone, etc), and love how ab-fubinaca puts me to sleep. And i absolutly love the absence of any mindfuck from it. It s just a clean and potent sedative.
 
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