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DJ Dave Lee Travis was "very, very professional" when he took naked pictures of a female musician at his house, she told a court today.

Elisabeth Birks said she met Travis at a charity event at London's Battersea Park.

Travis asked her if he could take photos of her after he saw that she had interesting tattoos.

Travis, 68, is on trial accused of indecently assaulting 10 women and sexually assaulting another while working as a BBC DJ, as a broadcaster with Classic Gold radio, while appearing on Top Of The Pops and when starring in pantomime.

He denies all the charges.

Ms Birks told Southwark Crown Court she was about to take to the stage with her husband when Travis tapped her on the shoulder and said he liked a tattoo on her back, which he had seen because she was wearing a backless dress.

She said: "He was very friendly, he seemed lovely."

Ms Birks said Travis asked if she would model for him, which she was happy to do, and gave her his card so she could contact him.

She visited Travis's home in 2010 with her husband, where the DJ introduced the couple to his wife.

After he gave them tea and cakes and showed her previous photos he had taken, her husband went to watch films and his wife remained downstairs while Travis and Ms Birks went off to take photos together, she told the court.

Ms Birks said they started with her wearing a vest top and hot pants so Travis could take photos of her tattoos, but they eventually took pictures of her while she was naked.

Ms Birks said Travis was a "very, very professional photographer, very polite" and would always ask her if he wanted to physically move her.

She said: "He just made me feel very comfortable.

"Dave was very professional about it."

Asked if he ever did anything inappropriate, Ms Birks said: "No, not at all.

"I felt comfortable for the whole thing. Everything was fine."

Travis, from Buckinghamshire, is charged with 13 counts of indecent assault dating back to between 1976 and 2003, and one count of sexual assault.

He is appearing in court under his birth name David Griffin.

The defendant, wearing a grey suit, white shirt and patterned red and white tie, listened to the proceedings in the dock with the aid of earphones.

Former Radio 1 producer Timothy Blackmore said he was not aware of any inappropriate conduct by Travis while they worked together at the BBC.

Mr Blackmore said he only heard "stories" of a complaint against the DJ after his company took over Classic Gold Radio, where Travis later worked, in the early 2000s.

The witness, who was part of the team which launched Radio 1 in the 1960s, said Travis was "gregarious, warm hearted, entertaining and professional".

Mr Blackmore, who left the BBC in 1977, said Radio 1 DJs at that time were "elevated in the national consciousness" as it was the first legal station to play pop music all day.

He told the court that Radio 1 fans had a "great deal of enthusiasm to meet their heroes" but could not remember any particular incident involving Travis meeting fans.

"I specifically remember trying to rescue Tony Blackburn from a crowd," he said.

On another occasion he had to drive Noel Edmonds away from people "who wanted to tear every limb from his body", Mr Blackmore said.

He recalled an incident in which he travelled on a train to Blackpool with an unnamed Radio 1 DJ when a "couple of girls" spotted them on board.

"The end result was that when we got into Manchester he got off the train with them," the witness said.

"I tried to persuade him not to get off... but he insisted and went off to do with these two young ladies, I do not know what."

Mr Blackmore told the court that the DJ he referred to was not Travis, Blackburn or Edmonds.

Kevin Howlett, who worked on Radio 1 roadshows and produced Travis's Saturday show from 1985 to 1987, said Travis was a "gentle giant of a man" and everything he associated with him was "warmth, friendliness and jollity".

Mr Howlett said Travis's way was to "just be friendly and give somebody a big hug", adding that he had received a hug himself when they made a programme together in the 1980s.

He described Travis as a "very experienced broadcaster, very well respected broadcaster", calling him "very gifted".

During cross-examination, prosecutor Miranda Moore QC asked him: "If somebody was overtly committing sexual assaults or being sexually inappropriate at the BBC, do you think that would have become known?"

Mr Howlett replied: "Yes, there would probably have been whispers or rumours. I never heard anything to do with that with Dave. Not one whisper or rumour."

Asked whether he had heard any rumours about Jimmy Savile while he worked at the BBC, Mr Howlett said: "Nothing substantial at all, really, just vague things that he was a bit of a ladies' man, or something like that.

"I wasn't aware of anything that has come out since, about underage girls. I just heard rumours he was a shady character."

Mr Howlett told the court that on the two occasions he met Savile he got the impression he was "a very strange character", adding that Savile did not go to Radio 1 events or roadshows.

Sandra Lillywhite, who worked as a secretary at the BBC from 1964 to 1985, said Travis was "very professional, very friendly" and "enjoyable to work with".

Asked by Stephen Vullo, defending Travis, whether she heard any complaints about his client, Ms Lillywhite replied: "No never."

"I never ever heard anything untoward," she said.

Ms Lillywhite said Radio 1 fans at the time were referred to as "trainspotters".

"They used to be male and female," she said.

"Radio 1 was so big at the time they could not wait to get any autographs."

Asked whether "big star" DJs at Radio 1 were too big to have complaints against them, she replied: "Not at all."
 
I can't say whether it is photoshopped or not just found it an interesting site.
Quite a bit of info on the web though about Harriet Harmen and her links to P.I.E in the early 1980's.

Meh. Had a very quick scan of the front page and the link to a another site purporting to be about P.I.E. (which actually redirects from summat with a name like "www.jimmysavile/helloworld.com" or similar - doesn't sound so legit to me frankly). Even the briefest of scans makes it very clear that it's nothing but photoshopped images, homophobia and anti-Semitism of the most egregiously hysteric kind. I'm no Labour supporter but that site and those it links to are blatantly utter bilge. I wouldn't believe a word of any of it and I'm a long way from being a supporter of Labour or any of the people mentioned. Have a lil looksee for yourself. You don't have to look far to see that the whole thing is utter arsewater. There's plenty to bash Labour (and indeed any other political party and/or minor sleb) out there without making what is presumably at least borderline libellous shit up too.
 
Surely the information posted about the peados on there is true though?

That's the problem when you have a site which is littered with blatant bullshit: how can you possibly know which bits (if any) are not bullshit? I'd look to a more reliable source for your info if I were you. If what they say is true they shouldn't need to be making shit up should they.
 
Fair enough Shambles but how do you know that the people highlighted of being found guilty in a court of law of peadophilia haven't been guilty of such things.
Surely those highlighted are true cases.
What about the Telegraph story about Harriet H , surely that's a more reliable source?
 
Yeah, the Telegraph is a more reliable source than the other website you linkied. I've not read the story so don't know what it is. I'm not saying everything on that dodgy site is dodgy because it's on that dodgy site, just that I wouldn't believe a word of it unless there are more reliable sources. And as for folk convicted in a court of law, they were convicted in a court of law. Anything they're being accused of that they weren't convicted for in a court of law doesn't count due to not having been convicted. I understand that people get angry about this stuff - and rightly so - but if we all just accept what we want to believe cos it suits whatever biases we happen to have and some shonky website says so too then where does that leave justice? What if the owner of that website decided that he didn't like me and started making shit up and posting photoshop images to "prove" I was a paedo? Or you? Or David Cameron? Or Ed Milliband? Or Nick Clegg? Or Nigel Farage? Or anybody you or I may happen to dislike - or anybody we happen to like for that matter. No conviction is no conviction. Don't believe everything you read on the internet. I thought we all knew that one.

Incidentally, if such accusations as are on that site do end up in convictions then I'll absolutely condemn the paedo scumbags. But they are but scumbags at worst until actually proven paedo scumbags. Kangaroo Courts are a Very Bad Idea. You never know when you might end up being the accused with no chance to defend yourself.

Incidentally, have you also noticed all the vicious homophobia and anti-Semitism on that site? Would you also agree with that or only the paedo insinuations? What's the difference?
 
To be honest I just looked at the labour party members that had been found guilty of peadophilia as I was shocked at that.
I shall have to take down the names of them and do some more searching to find out whether they were found guilty of the crimes or not.
Totally understand what you are saying Shambles and respect what you say and yes I probably do let my dislike of political figures cloud my judgement without doing any further investigation as to whether what is being said is true or not.
Listening to what you have said Shambles I am going to delete that post as I must admit I only paid attention to the Labour stuff and no attention to anything else on there that may offend people so am gonna remove it.
 
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Believe me, Max, I'd not be defending most of these people in general. I use the term 'politicunts' for good reason. Or at least good enough for me reasons. But I also know my dislike of certain people (particularly politicians and slebs) is actually based on precious little beyond ignorance and prejudice. I don't tend to look too deeply because I find the whole political system alienating and precious little of what I see of these people goes any way towards making me feel more positive towards any of 'em. Accusing them of paedophilia based on photoshopped images and deeply :sus: polemic is another matter though. There's plenty to bash the cunts for without having to make shit up too. If anything, sites like that work against whatever point it is they are trying to make because it obfuscates the truth and gives the pricks a reason to say that such accusations are clearly scurrilous cos look at the state of the site doing the accusing. If there is substance to these stories there will be reliable information out there hopefully, but the fact is that if they haven't been successfully prosecuted for a thing it is but hearsay and rumour at best.
 
Haven't read the above debate, just wanted to say that I think Peter Tatchell is fucking wicked.

I would be very sceptical of him being linked to owt really dodgy
 
I've got to try and learn to just not read something and then react to it straight away without investigating further.
I am a hothead a lot of the times and I just react before thinking things through first.
Sometimes I feel like the dumbest bloke on here. I wish I had spent more time doing some of that fancy book learning stuff.
Oh well, live and learn I guess.
 
you dont need book learning. I didnt do much of that either 'cept for management stuff. Just hit wiki if all else fails, and review a persons history.
 
I've got to try and learn to just not read something and then react to it straight away without investigating further.
I am a hothead a lot of the times and I just react before thinking things through first.
Sometimes I feel like the dumbest bloke on here. I wish I had spent more time doing some of that fancy book learning stuff.
Oh well, live and learn I guess.

I can totally relate to all of this. Trust me, not everybody on here has "fancy book learning" and there's plenty hotheaded react before think stuff afoot too. What you say is something we should all be trying to live up to.

And, FWIW, I can't profess to have an indepth knowledge of Peter Tatchell but I've liked all I have seen and heard. I suspect I agree with the stuff he's being pilloried for on that website. It's not half as controversial as it may seem from an initially reactionary reading.
 
Well at the very least I have learnt a lesson today which hopefully will make me think more in the future before jumping in with both feet.
Thanks Shambles, you really do know how to spell things out and make me think about whatever the subject matter happens to be. Wise man.
 
Haven't read the above debate, just wanted to say that I think Peter Tatchell is fucking wicked.

I would be very sceptical of him being linked to owt really dodgy

Apart from when he attempted to picket a Killing Joke gig because Jaz casually used the word 'faggot' in an interview once. About twenty-seven years prior to Tatchell's reaction. =D

He does make himself look absolutely ridiculous when he does stuff like that, but he does indeed have balls. And he likes balls too. A lot.

More power to him. But for fuck's sake, Peter - do your research first!
 
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Well at the very least I have learnt a lesson today which hopefully will make me think more in the future before jumping in with both feet.
Thanks Shambles, you really do know how to spell things out and make me think about whatever the subject matter happens to be. Wise man.

:)

I really would struggle to think of a higher compliment than that. Thanks, Max, made my day so ya have =D<3=D
 
Jesus Shambles you're on a power trip today. Stop telling maxalfie what to do. Your knowledge knows no bounds. Stop trying to pass it around. It's fucking inconsiderate.
 
Police are set to review information they received from "a number of other people" during the trial of Coronation Street star William Roache, who was cleared of historic sex offences against five women.

Roache, 81, who plays Ken Barlow in the ITV soap, was found not guilty by a jury of two counts of rape and four counts of indecent assault following a four-week trial at Preston Crown Court.

Today Lancashire Police said they had been contacted with "further information", but said there is "no current investigation".

A spokeswoman said: "During the course of the trial of Mr Roache, a number of other people have contacted the police with further information.

"This information will be reviewed to ascertain what action, if any, needs to be taken in relation to it.

"Mr Roache was acquitted of all the charges in the trial and there is no current investigation."

It has been reported that the information came from three women.

Speaking on the steps of the court after his acquittal on Thursday, Mr Roache said: ''I have just got one thing to say, in these situations there are no winners and I think we should all be much kinder to ourselves. Now if you will excuse me I would like to get back to work.''

Mr Roache did not respond when asked if the trial had been ''a witch-hunt''.

In her closing speech to the jury, prosecutor Anne Whyte said that if Roache was telling the truth and the complainants were all liars then he could be seen as a victim of ''a huge, distorted, perverse witch-hunt''.

i really think the is something off about this and the other guy out corro getting off with more like the turned grass and the jury was told to let them off
 
has anyone read Crime by Irvine Welsh? Good book. Very differnet feel to the rest of Welsh's writings.

Anyway, just as in Ecstasy Welsh describes a celebrity who sounds like Savile, near the beginning of the book a reference is made to the BBC and its sickness. Book from 2009/2008. Before the news became mainstream. Interesting is that.

Did anyone ever mention Elvis Presley among all here?
 
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