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Opiate and opioid withdrawal: Coping strategies and medication

Yes indeed, there are ways and means. I am just being self indulgent with the kratom i think. I dont need to take it, at least certainly not every day. I think the one day at a time thing helps, to really break it down like that, like just get through today with no xxxxx. And then the next day i can make that decsion again. Thanks for your responses. They do help me to reach conclusions to where my train of thought is taking me.
 
Much as I dislike the 12 Step approach, I do think they are absolutely spot on with the one day at a time thing. It's just too much trying to think about the big picture and tends to be demoralising and often ends up being a reason for not trying - if you can't imagine a lifetime of sobriety then what's the point in even trying kinda thing. None of us can plan or foresee the future but we can deal with the here and now. We can choose whether or not to do any given thing each time a decision presents itself. If one of those decisions happens to be not having that kratom yoghurt just for today it's a reasonable and achievable goal, no need to decide ahead of time what happens the next day until it comes around - exactly as you say :)
 
I don't want to be a cunt but if you can't handle what iam about to say then your a weak ass muthafuka erither that or a sad bastard who needs to get out more . mAYBE U JUST ENJOY WALLOWING IN PITY.

rIGHT I DO DRUGS LOADS OF em have done 4 a good 25 years When it comes to Heroin & Opiates i maybe among the the biggest consumers on the whole of BL let alone EADD.


MdB hAVE U EVER HEARD ME WALLOW about these things ? Sure i may bring them up .

You aren't even a fukin Heroin addict n to my knowledge have no reAL IDEA OF THe suffering that we go through on the daily .


I am on a huge script for benzo's been on em over 20 years btw , have to take oxy for pain on top of methadone as the da,mage i ahve inflicted on my body due to my reckless addiction and 14 yeas of FEMORAL: injecting despite being hospitalised for Anemia , Sceptisimia it's about 6 diffderent stays adds up to about 4/5 months
I've been homeless, i've lost many people i had really close bonds with & also a 3 that i would go as far as to say i loved as a friend

.also an Intelligent , Good Looking woman who was especially dear to me ,i believe we woul;d be still together if she didn't die of a overdose after getting clean n then having a few drinks ( FUKIN Thats the fuker right ther) iF she hadn't hadv those vfukij drinks she would never off had a hit ffs :|

FGuk i have lost t2 life time friends in the last 3 months people i grew up with.

ON NTHE FLIPSIDE

i have been on DLA since 1997 this ain't stopped me travelling all over Southern SpaIN, LIVING IN pORTUGAL, n going to fukin loads of other countries , even a test series in Sri Lanka ffs


I have a brand new flat in one of the Most beautiful n expenSIve Cities in Europe NOT BOUGHT FFFS Housing Association of course

yeah i still struggle buT fUK I HAVE A LIFE I DO DRUGS N DESPITE DEGENERATIVE ILLNESS N MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES I ENJOY IT 4 THE BEST [PART
I DUNNO WTF IS WRONG WIV U SON COS U AIN'T THE FUKIN TIKCET

aLO U KNOW I iIKE YA AS I PUT A GOOD FEW HOURS IN TO GIVINGu good advice

U KNOW LIKE LISTENING TO STUFF [video=youtube_share;GMGmfr7DXQg]http://youtu.be/GMGmfr7DXQg[/video] maybe things may be different if you were here @ Lmgleat with meomn A DOve in 1991 ?




If i was u i would shut the fuk up about opiates it's fukinembarrsassing n makes a mockery of my Partners deATH N THE SUFFERING OF
THOUSANDS
 
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Take a proper opiate would again be my advice. Fuk kratom.

Or just stop. As to me you over think.
 
brimz said:
I DUNNO WTF IS WRONG WIV U SON COS U AIN'T THE FUKIN TIKCET
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well you wouldnt be the first person to say that or think that, that's for sure. I have mental health issues like many others here, the opiates, as lightweight as they were, kill them stone dead. When i stop taking opiates the mental health issues come back worse than ever. Some may call that weak, some may call it wallowing it pity, some may call it being unwell, some may call it faulty thinking. Im going with the latter option, as that is something i can change.

Of course i respect and understand the points you are making but what am i to do when people keep asking me how im doing and giving me suggestions ? Ignore them ? Anyway, out of respect for what you have said, and to show that i do understand what you mean i wont mention another word about it. Ive been sensing a build up of anger and frustration from you for a while now, I get what its about now.
 
mydrugbuddy said:
oh christ yes, and thats with 15 - 20 mg of etizolam. What do you imagine things are like without that. I wish i could just turn of the swich for 'thinking too much', the closest thing i get to that is benzos.
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you sound like you need to go to a keyworker n talk though these things that plague your mind that you need to block out with benzos, get on a taper n reduce and work through the problems, its anot an easy thing to do but you are no longer self medicating, its to get high..

The only reason i say this is because you quit bupe, took you ages and many days of suffering..within a week you were getting mashed on kratom.. you either WANT to stop or you dont, and from your posts its the latter

And tbh many MANY ppl here have said kratom comes with additional SSRI withdrawal, you think you got off lightly with bupe, kratom is whole other can of worms
 
brimz said:
If i was u i would shut the fuk up about opiates it's fukinembarrsassing n makes a mockery of my Partners deATH N THE SUFFERING OF
THOUSANDS
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Whilst I can see where you were coming from with some of what you said up there, I have to say I think this goes way too far. You and yours have certainly suffered greatly but it's not a competetion - what exactly would denote a 'winner' in such thing? Everybody has their problems and everybody reacts to and deals with them differently. Walk a mile in somebody's shoes and all that. However much we may think we know about each other from what is posted here it's only ever gonna be an inkling of a snapshot of the reality of it.

As you - and all us other addicts - will know, people with addictions can be maddeningly frustrating. I know I am at times and I have no doubt that applies to all of us in this situation. Addict 'logic' can be a perverse beast but nobody should feel they can't say what they want to say or talk about whatever they want to talk about here. There's more than one way to skin a cat and sometimes a stark post that puts things in a bit of perspective like yours can be what's needed, sometimes my more softly-softly approach may help, often I suspect it's a bit of both plus as many more perspectives and inputs from others as we can get.

This addiction bizniz is horrible and everything you say is true - anything we can do to try to help MDB and anybody else who hasn't gone as far down the road as that is surely a good thing, yes?
 
Right, see the quandry im in brimz ? My posts lead to responses, am i not allowed to respond to people out of respect for the people that have suffered far more physical pain and torment than i have ever even imagined?

Yeah i am seeing a support team BCF. Its true i dont really want to stop, but as i have a flight to take, and no prescriptions, i have to. Its a bit of a catch 22 as i self medicate to blot out my symtoms, even my workers dont want me making myself more unwell. But for them to have something to work with i need to reduce dosages at least for a period of time where i become unwell, and can catch these thoughts and thought patterns and get to the bottom of them. Its possible my mind is plagued for no good reasoon, and that its just chemically unbalanced. I think this is the case tbh.
 
breakcorefiend said:
you are no longer self medicating, its to get high..

The only reason i say this is because you quit bupe, took you ages and many days of suffering..within a week you were getting mashed on kratom.. you either WANT to stop or you dont, and from your posts its the latter
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+1, in a big way.

Depression / mental health problems are very subjective and all, and I deplore any kind of mental health dicksizing, but you make it sound as if life is intolerable without massive (and I mean MASSIVE) doses of benzos in your system; the kind which prevent you from functioning properly rather than helping.

You were NOT physically addicted to AH-7921, yet you chose to acquire some buprenorphine just in case you felt withdrawal from AH-7921. You then decided you liked bupe, so got yourself addicted to that.

mydrugbuddy said:
oh christ yes, and thats with 15 - 20 mg of etizolam. What do you imagine things are like without that. I wish i could just turn of the swich for 'thinking too much', the closest thing i get to that is benzos.
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EVERYBODY feels like that some of the time. Some people feel like that most of the time. Unfortunately, I'm one of the latter. Believe me, it's somewhat tempting to go through life dosed up on benzos, but it isn't sustainable.

You have to learn alternative coping strategies. It isn't always easy, but the more you try and take the simple way out, the harder it'll be when you do have to face the music.
 
Sammy G said:
+1, in a big way.

Depression / mental health problems are very subjective and all, and I deplore any kind of mental health dicksizing, but you make it sound as if life is intolerable without massive (and I mean MASSIVE) doses of benzos in your system; the kind which prevent you from functioning properly rather than helping..
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at times it has been. My head sometimes gets so invaded with intrusive nonsensical/paranoid type thoughts that i am oblivious to external reality, there is so much shit going on inside my head that it takes 99% of my attention to try to keep that at bay. This has lead to a lot of problems in dealing with the 'real world'. (the severity of the symptoms varied from day to day, hout to hour) Thats why i was instantly hooked to etizolam, it instantly switched all that shit off, my mind was at peace for the first time in months. I got to feel "so this is how it feels to be normal".
 
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mydrugbuddy said:
Right, see the quandry im in brimz ? My posts lead to responses, am i not allowed to respond to people out of respect for the people that have suffered far more physical pain and torment than i have ever even imagined?

Yeah i am seeing a support team BCF. Its true i dont really want to stop, but as i have a flight to take, and no prescriptions, i have to. Its a bit of a catch 22 as i self medicate to blot out my symtoms, even my workers dont want me making myself more unwell. But for them to have something to work with i need to reduce dosages at least for a period of time where i become unwell, and can catch these thoughts and thought patterns and get to the bottom of them. Its possible my mind is plagued for no good reasoon, and that its just chemically unbalanced. I think this is the case tbh.
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ok well that is positive that you are talking it through, Do you think you would benefit from a residential rehab? like 4 weeks of cbt, detoxing, group therapy and rehabilitation?

You dont currently work so it means you won't lose a job and ultimately would benefit building your coping skills rather than reaching for a bottle of etiz solution, this is all being said to help not to annoy btw
 
mydrugbuddy said:
at times it has been. My head sometimes gets so invaded with intrusive nonsensical/paranoid type thoughts that i am oblivious to external reality, there is so much shit going on inside my head that it takes 99% of my attention to try to keep that at bay. (the severity of the symptoms varied from day to day, hout to hour) Thats why i was instantly hooked to etizolam, it instantly switched all that shit off, my mind was at peace for the first time in months. I got to feel "so this is how it feels to be normal".
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Sounds like anxiety to me. Which will have been exacerbated by all your drug-taking.

Have you thought about carrying on with your mirtazipine and trying to leave the drugs alone for a while? Then maybe looking at some basic breathing exercises and the like?
 
mydrugbuddy said:
Right, thank you for that. I dont mean that sarcastically. I mean it genuinely, as that fucking scares me. Im going to stop dicking around with kratom.
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My intention wasn't to scare you, just to fully inform you that you are playing with fire, even traditional opiates would be better to use, they have a short but nasty withdrawal, kratom on the other hand, doesn't.

Ask Shambles as he went through hell ( i think it was shambles anyway?)
 
breakcorefiend said:
ok well that is positive that you are talking it through, Do you think you would benefit from a residential rehab? like 4 weeks of cbt, detoxing, group therapy and rehabilitation?

You dont currently work so it means you won't lose a job and ultimately would benefit building your coping skills rather than reaching for a bottle of etiz solution, this is all being said to help not to annoy btw
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yeah i see where you are coming from. Im a long way off being ready for a residential rehab. Theres no way im reducing of 15-20mg of etizolam in 4 weeks. If / when i get my dose down to 1 or 2 mg i may consider it at that point.

Sam i have found that things like aerobic exercise; cycling and walking help massively. Im also going to be looking into mindfullness & meditation, breathing exercises and diet. I should also stop and stay off the nicotine and caffeine, that makes my symptoms far worse. I know there are things i can be doing to help myself more that i am not doing as much of that i should. I have even frustrated my counsellor with this, the way i dont help myself, and she is one of the most non judgemental and patient people imaginable.
 
brimz said:
I don't want to be a cunt but if you can't handle what iam about to say then your a weak ass muthafuka erither that or a sad bastard who needs to get out more . mAYBE U JUST ENJOY WALLOWING IN PITY.

rIGHT I DO DRUGS LOADS OF em have done 4 a good 25 years When it comes to Heroin & Opiates i maybe among the the biggest consumers on the whole of BL let alone EADD.


MdB hAVE U EVER HEARD ME WALLOW about these things ? Sure i may bring them up .

You aren't even a fukin Heroin addict n to my knowledge have no reAL IDEA OF THe suffering that we go through on the daily .


I am on a huge script for benzo's been on em over 20 years btw , have to take oxy for pain on top of methadone as the da,mage i ahve inflicted on my body due to my reckless addiction and 14 yeas of FEMORAL: injecting despite being hospitalised for Anemia , Sceptisimia it's about 6 diffderent stays adds up to about 4/5 months
I've been homeless, i've lost many people i had really close bonds with & also a 3 that i would go as far as to say i loved as a friend

.also an Intelligent , Good Looking woman who was especially dear to me ,i believe we woul;d be still together if she didn't die of a overdose after getting clean n then having a few drinks ( FUKIN Thats the fuker right ther) iF she hadn't hadv those vfukij drinks she would never off had a hit ffs :|

FGuk i have lost t2 life time friends in the last 3 months people i grew up with.

ON NTHE FLIPSIDE

i have been on DLA since 1997 this ain't stopped me travelling all over Southern SpaIN, LIVING IN pORTUGAL, n going to fukin loads of other countries , even a test series in Sri Lanka ffs


I have a brand new flat in one of the Most beautiful n expenSIve Cities in Europe NOT BOUGHT FFFS Housing Association of course

yeah i still struggle buT fUK I HAVE A LIFE I DO DRUGS N DESPITE DEGENERATIVE ILLNESS N MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES I ENJOY IT 4 THE BEST [PART
I DUNNO WTF IS WRONG WIV U SON COS U AIN'T THE FUKIN TIKCET

aLO U KNOW I iIKE YA AS I PUT A GOOD FEW HOURS IN TO GIVINGu good advice

U KNOW LIKE LISTENING TO STUFF [video=youtube_share;GMGmfr7DXQg]http://youtu.be/GMGmfr7DXQg[/video] maybe things may be different if you were here @ Lmgleat with meomn A DOve in 1991 ?




If i was u i would shut the fuk up about opiates it's fukinembarrsassing n makes a mockery of my Partners deATH N THE SUFFERING OF
THOUSANDS
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Ahem Brimz,

Look you're a goid person n I have respect for you. You've been through things I could never imagine n you've also a disability yet you've come through the other side. So you're an inspiration n a credit to Bluelight.

However, do you really think it's fair to tell another member they are "wallowing in self pity". I think MDB has his own troubles n what I learn in counselling training was that if it is BIG to that person then it's an issue worth addressing n working through with that person.

It is clearly obvious that MDB has issues with opiates n isn't handling the situation well at present n we're trying to help him through that. Ot does not matter if he's never used heroin. He still has a problem with addiction n still has a problem with opiates. That's the whole point in Bluelight. I would personally rather hear people "wallow in pity" as you call it if it means that, that person will open up, talk to us n we can help him or her. After all this is a thread for people to cope with withdrawals. And I really hope that MDB doesn't feel he can't say anything now as he has every right to.

Like I said, I'm not trying to go at you or offend you but because another hasn't been through the pain n suffering that you have, does not necessarily mean that they are not going through pain and or suffering of their own. I am sincerely sorry that you lost your friend. I can't begin to imagine that pain n my heart goes out to you. But please try to think when you say things like "you haven't even done heroin" or whatever the exact words - because that's similar to what another member said to me a few weeks back n it makes people feel small n like their addiction is insignificant, which is absolutely not so.

Take care,
Evey xxxx
 
Maybe the thread needs splitting apart into a heroin w/d support thread, and a seperate one for other so called lesser opiates. I dunno, im mixed up in this too much to be able to see it properly objectively. There is a 'pecking order' thing about drugs for some people, other people i have met dont even make any disntinctions between 'soft drugs' like cannabis and hard drugs like heroin and crack, they were all the same thing for him in the end. A heroin and crack user that i met at my support clinic told me that, that was the way he thought about things. What i am going through physically is clearly a million times different to what brimz and his associates are going through.

Maybe it is not helpfull to lump everything together in this thread, i really dont know. Obviously i totally agree with Shambles in the 'walk a mile in someone elses shoes' thing. My issues may seem like nothing to brimz but they are life changing issues for me. They make the difference as to whether life is nothing but a depressing and bitter struggle or whether it is something to be lived and enjoyed.
 
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