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mydrugbuddy said:
Moderators are leaders almost by definition. I know you are all about equality and unity, but you guys as moderators are a higher status as you have more power than members. I know you dont think, or dont like to think in that way but you cannot rid BL of its' hierarchy, as much as you may want to.
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Yeah he can kinda. he can give power to the peoples.

That alone changes the dynamic. ie: the meta thread and seeking community feedback and ideas on changes in the forum.

That approach alone has evolved this place tenfold in terms of philosophical hierarchy, and increased the amount of influence posters have on the forum. This type of approach often gets rejected by many Mods due to it being more long winded, and it being perceived as a loss of their decision making abilities, but it's not the case imo.

Before that it was mainly cloak and dagger and information was unnecessarily kept undisclosed.

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I agree Mods should lead by example where possible, and promote equality, but they're human, and should allowed to be so as long as it's not detrimental to the fundamentals of the site message/purpose
 
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mydrugbuddy said:
Moderators are leaders almost by definition. I know you are all about equality and unity, but you guys as moderators are a higher status as you have more power than members. I know you dont think, or dont like to think in that way but you cannot rid BL of its' hierarchy, as much as you may want to.
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Nah, we're librarians by definition. The only power we have is over text. Admittedly that is as powerful as it gets on a discussion forum! But we can't make anyone change their actual real world behaviour.

Yes, there is a hierarchy in BL and like all hierarchies it's self-sustaining so there is fuck all I can do to change it as an individual, you are correct. No argument.

Yes I have "powers" that other members do not. It's not a situation I enjoy. But I try to exercise my powers to the minimum extent possible (and I think this is where it links in with what Marmalade just wrote, I wrote this post before seeing what she wrote, I'm not disagreeing with her, I have just put a different emphasis in my post). I try to promote HR too but there is nothing special about being a moderator that means I have the HR controls. If people ever listen to anything I say then I hope they do so because what I've said makes sense to them and not because I've got the word "Moderator" under my screen name.


Oh it's still cloak and dagger by the way. There is no way to avoid the cloak and dagger in this set up.
 
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We were still on topic. Any talk of the nature of Modding this place is on topic. It lets candidates know what they're in for, and generates worthwhile discussion that they're going to have to consider if theyre thinking of applying.

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Those applying for the right reasons should be interested in this type of information/discussion
 
knock said:
Oh it's still cloak and dagger by the way. There is no way to avoid the cloak and dagger in this set up.
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I know transparency isn't there fully, that's partly why I wouldnt apply (like I posted earlier), but don't skirt over the fact that you've been pretty instrumental in evolving the culture here, and including posters in decision making and opening things up, where possible.
 
yeah credit where credit is due, Knock has put a lot of effort into trying to level the playing field. That is the action of a leader though. :);) Sorry, i'll stop winding you (Knock) up and being pedantic, i havent really got any further or valid points to make.
 
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In seriousness, I'm sorry you didn't like the words I used, but, well, I think other people have said enough about the leadership thing. "Architect", well, this place is actually a kind of space that people interact with, and with each other in, and the way that it is designed and laid out has an impact on the nature of those interactions, and on how well the forum works. "Stakeholders", meanwhile, is just a catch-all term for, well, anyone who holds a stake in the site, be it staff, owners, posters, lurkers, researchers, donors, or anyone else. I almost think you do yourself a disservice by not accepting your importance- you do an awful lot for this site, and it does make a difference. Sorry, mate, you're having greatness thrust upon you. Even if your vision is for a devolved, decentralised, inclusive Bluelight, making that happen is still leading your flock in the direction you think is best.

The topic of the thread is that they're looking for mods, once that's been established (i.e. after the first post), these threads always turn into socials. Also, if you demand every thread stay on-topic, you do not have the makings of a great EADD mod.
 
babylonboy said:
In seriousness, I'm sorry you didn't like the words I used, but, well, I think other people have said enough about the leadership thing. "Architect", well, this place is actually a kind of space that people interact with, and with each other in, and the way that it is designed and laid out has an impact on the nature of those interactions, and on how well the forum works. "Stakeholders", meanwhile, is just a catch-all term for, well, anyone who holds a stake in the site, be it staff, owners, posters, lurkers, researchers, donors, or anyone else. I almost think you do yourself a disservice by not accepting your importance- you do an awful lot for this site, and it does make a difference. Sorry, mate, you're having greatness thrust upon you. Even if your vision is for a devolved, decentralised, inclusive Bluelight, making that happen is still leading your flock in the direction you think is best.
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And I appreciate that you took it in good humour. I find the leadership notion pretty difficult to stomach and my way of dealing with it is to go on about how I'm not a leader and people shouldn't think of me as such. So, that's just that :) As for "architect", I don't think being a mod puts me in a position to change the design or layout, and it's really not something I would be interested in working on, I'm more interested in structure and functionality, and my thoughts on that would take us so far from where we currently are that I don't think it would be possible to take Bluelight in that direction even if I could convince people that it was a good direction, and I don't think I can do that either :D

eugh you said "leading your flock", you really are on the wind up =D
 
you really are on the wind up
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How dare you! Everyone on this board knows I am a person capable of only the utmost sincerity! I demand satisfaction!

Seriously, though, I was being relatively earnest. If I don't overanalyse and needlessly complicate things, who will?
 
EADD isn't a democracy, though. Shadowy puppetmasters select inductees through an arcane and esoteric process shrouded in mystery to join their cabal, with all its secrecy. Basically, the mods are masons.
 
babylonboy said:
Basically, the mods are masons.
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And have the aprons to prove it...

NSFW:
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