Nebuliser for administration of psychedelic salts?

[Blue Druid]

Hm, interesting to hear about the risks of inhaling alcohol, wasn't aware of that. Still as it was only 1ml of rum, so 0.4ml of actual alcohol I'm not too concerned.

Actually I think it'd be a good idea to avoid using alcohol in future because even when mixed with 2ml of water it was still difficult to get a good vapor going with the nebuliser, it didn't atomise the liquid well and it was difficult to inhale it all. I think the alcohol mixed with gooey black 4-ACO-DMT was too thick to nebulise well. I'm not sure if this was due to the alcohol or the 4-AcO-DMT.

There was clearly an effect within 10 min of starting inhaling and I could feel the head buzz but it never developed into visuals.
After that as drops of the 4-aco-dmt/rum/water - I'll call it solution for convenience - were sticking to the top of th nebuliser I added some more water to try to increase the fluidity & improve nebulisation and this seemed to improve things a bit.
I was watching a comedy program on tv and found it very funny, more than I ordinarily would, and was very relaxed. I did find some difficulty in using the nebuliser & had to turn it off a few times to get my breath back but once I got into a pattern of using the nebuliser I found a better way to use it. Breathing in deeply and holding it for a while while vapor built up in the chamber, exhaling through the nose then breathing in the vapor.
That seemed to work better and I felt it was more intense with effects seeming to build up better.

In retrospect I think that I previously wasn't getting all of the solution inhaled, infact I noticed some had gotten into the water reservoir of the nebuliser, which I don't think it should do. It wasn't a particularly impressive experience, though it was obvious I was affected & getting something, just not as much as I'd've liked. It seems likely my initial dose was closer to the 7.5mg mark than 10 & this combined with the initial problems using the nebuliser & the solution getting into the water reservoir meant I was inhaling a lower dose than expected and over a longer timeframe.

Nonetheless despite being more of a threshold dose & coming up less quickly than expected bacause of this it was enjoyable and I felt I could've easily gone out to a party & socialised quite easily. It wa a very relaxed experience just sitting watching tv and listening to music.

I did notice that the effects didn't seem to last that long or to build up much as I continued hitting the nebuliser, but that may well be an effect of dose. All in all a bit of a disappointment but there was enough going on - and enough technical issues - that I think it's definitely worth trying again now I've got a better hang of most effective way to use the nebuliser & know to use water rather than alcohol in solution.

 

[psood0nym]

^It sounds like there were way too many confounding factors involved to say anything. Ideally a low-volume nebulizer would be used with as little space between where the actual nebulization occurs and the breathing nozzle as those are designed to get the full dose of a drug out of the volumes most would use for psychedlics. A person could try dissolving X mg of salt in water and nebulizing it up into a chilled glass held at an angle so the vapor condenses entirely inside the glass and runs down into a collection container. If everything is coming out in the vapor and none escapes you should have near X mg of salt after you evaporate the water you collected. This way you can test efficacy without risking product.

 

[WSH]

It's not really a psychedelic, but I just nebulized some ketamine and it works fine.
I also tried it with mxe a couple of days ago and it worked too.
It comes on faster than IM, comparable to IV.
Now I'm curious if it's gonna work with 5-meo-dmt, I'm gonna try it soon.

 

[psood0nym]

^Thanks for posting. I don't see why nebulizing shouldn't work, but I think the particulars of the set up are important. Can you post the specs of the nebulizer you used and the volume of the drug solutions/amount of time to exhaust them?

 

[Blue Druid]

I've also tried this again, using 4-AcO-MET this time with much better results.

As far as details of the set-up go I used this nebuliser, with the little tube rather than mask:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Portable-...ity_Disability_Medical_ET&hash=item35d0ffcf90
and this time rubbed vaseline over the gasket separating the medicine cup from the water vessel. Worked really well & no 4-AcO-MET got into the water resevoir. Also had a better nebulising technique this time.
One thing I noticed was it isn't as quick a come-up as some have speculated, partly due to the length of time taken to breath in the 4-AcO-MET solution, though that may be as I'd had about 3, 3.5ml in there.

I found first noticeable effects after about 20 mins with effects strengthening from there, with the peak probably about half to 45 min in.
Ended up being very high for 4 hours and unable to sleep for another 4.
Unfortunately I'm unable to say exactly how much I nebulised as my scales are a piece of shit & badly broken - something I've now realised, and indeed spent a lot of time obsessing over & reading B&D scales thread while on the 4-AcO-MET - but I think it was around 16-20mg. Really can't say for sure though.

I'd say this ROA does work, though I think a lot depends on the time spent breathing in the water vapor, which inturn depends on the amount of water used/viscosity of the drug/water solution.

I'm looking forwards to trying this with DPT as was my original plan, once I get the opportunity, though I may try out a few more things with it first.

 

[crOOk]

My first thought was for its use with DPT as the hcl is available to me and it's reported to be less effective orally & it's a real nose-clogger to snort.

True, the HCl salt of DPT is a bitch (really nasty drip) and the chemical is pretty worthless orally if you are looking for a good and proper asskicking. The freebase can be vaporized very well, but it's a liquid, so measuring it out and filling it into the smoking device is a bitch as well. The HCl also isn't some caustic shit that fucks up your nose, so there's a good chance it won't do much damage in your lungs either (wildly guessing here).

I guess I would still prefer dosing the DPT HCl rectally, unless it does actually hit you within seconds when you nebulize it.

 

[WSH]

I've now tried it with 5-meo-dmt, there were NO effects with 6mg nebulized and only SLIGHT effects with 12mg.
I thought that maybe the 5-meo-dmt has degraded, so i tried it intravenously and 0.75mg IV was MUCH more intense than 12mg nebulized.
So it doesn't really work with 5-meo-dmt, but with mxe and k it worked nicely.

^Thanks for posting. I don't see why nebulizing shouldn't work, but I think the particulars of the set up are important. Can you post the specs of the nebulizer you used and the volume of the drug solutions/amount of time to exhaust them?

My nebulizer is able to nebulize slightly more than 1ml per minute, and with k i used a completely saturated solution (200mg per 1ml), so i could inhale 70mg in only 20 seconds.