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MDMA - beat your tolerance, make your roll last up to x3 longer, minimise comedown

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Background - been mashing up to 450mg MDMA per outing. The magic is long gone and I am lucky to get 90 minutes out of one dose.

So, I have 3 club nights to go to in 7 days. It's like a suicide mission for my serotonin receptors.

1st night - did 300mg. It was OK, not amazing.

I knew I had another night coming up, so I started munching 74% cocoa dark chocolate as I heard it helps, obviously loaded with the all important tryptophan.

2nd night (2 days later) - did 150mg first dose. Incredible, got my smile back that I had lost on MDMA and was having a fckin excellent time. Better than my previous night! And the company was worse.

Felt a bit ropey a day later, and had some up-down feelings but not too bad otherwise. Kept munching the dark chocolate at 100g a day or so.

3rd night (3 days later) - did 120mg first and ONLY dose. Amazing, was happy beyond belief, danced all night and kept going for an incredible 5 hours. WTF, 5 hours! I would be typically stone cold sober within 2 hours. And doing so many MDMA trips so close together, I expected no buzz.

I keep munching the 74% cocoa as part of my diet every day. Min 50g, but 75g. In general I feel fantastic. It's like a new wonder drug I discovered.

10 days later, I go for another clubnight.

This time I take 100mg. Smallest dose ever. And I am bouncing till 5am. I redose at 70mg after 5 hours, in fear of losing the buzz but I actually don't think I needed it.

Summary - I went from 300/450mg a night, to 100mg a night and got a better feeling. I would say the magic 'ALMOST' returned.

Recommendations - 75g of 74% cocoa dark chocolate every day for 7 days pre-MDMA. I eat 50g or so as soon as I get up to make sure my system eats it up asap.

Oh btw, I don't recommend doing 3 clubnights in one week. I think every 30 days is OK, but every 90 days if you can.
 
I don't really recommend eating 50g of 74% dark chocolate for breakfast either. There's this thing called diabetes.

However, I do agree with you about taking more moderate doses and that (to an extent) less equals more. There is a definite dose response curve to MDMA and higher doses certainly have a tendency to produce more monginess and tiredness as opposed to the desired effect. I've just reduced my dose down from 175mg to 140mg and I can definitely feel the love more. And I'm an old timer with 25 years experience. I don't believe people do simply "lose the magic". It's either them getting into abusive behaviour (high doses etc) or plain old crap drugs (I believe you have a particularly bad period going on of methylone being sold as MDMA in the USA).
 
Well yes, chocolate is full of fat and sugar I agree. I usually wash it down with a protein shake and some porridge and my blood sugar feels good.

All my stuff is tested + with a test kit. I get the best MDMA crystal and pills from Holland.

Magic definitely goes, but I almost got it back with the chocolate. The main thing for me is duration. Redosing makes dopamine and that makes you a mong. I hate that.
 
Good idea about the dark chocolate, definitely haven't heard that before gonna give it a try.
I heard that piractetam can also help bring the "magic back" so I may try chocolate + pi?
I wouldnt expect milk chocolate to work would it?
 
Mr. Mayor said:
Good idea about the dark chocolate, definitely haven't heard that before gonna give it a try.
I heard that piractetam can also help bring the "magic back" so I may try chocolate + pi?
I wouldnt expect milk chocolate to work would it?
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I tried Piracetam but it did not bring the magic back. Or extend the duration. Instead it made the high clearer and the memory was very strong of the night unlike the blurry MDMA recall.
 
Mr. Mayor said:
Good idea about the dark chocolate, definitely haven't heard that before gonna give it a try.
I heard that piractetam can also help bring the "magic back" so I may try chocolate + pi?
I wouldnt expect milk chocolate to work would it?
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I can vouch for the whole dark chocolate making the roll super intense, I wrote a report about it on a different thread but it is on here, if you find it you will see a lot of peeps that had similar experiences. The roll was almost too intense. I would say at least %65 cocoa or more.

here it is: http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads...and-Dark-Chocolate-e-diet?highlight=dark+choc
 
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If you google Chocolate and MAOIs you will find a myriad of websites stating that chocolate has MAOI properties.. Dig a little deeper you'll see its just a rumour spread by misinformation. Chocolate does contain tetrahydro-beta-carbolines which are MAOIs - however it only contains trace amounts - I've seen it stated as up to 7mcg - obviously not enough to have any effect on your roll.
 
quote from Erowid : ' As neither MDMA nor chocolate are MAOIs, combining them should not be a problem. We have never received a report of health problems resulting from mixing chocolate with MDMA.'
 
Figure I'll ditch this here since it's on my mind and this thread is about as relevant as I'll get without starting my own lol

I've rolled the past 3 weekends in a row (NAUGHTY BOY FUCK I KNOW lol)....prior to each roll I'd fast off the entire of Saturday and do a decent whack of exercise, however prior to the first and last of these 3 rolls I would down a serving of Vital Greens in the car on my way out to the clubs. Each of these 3 occasions I would take a 200mg cap of tested crystal (all from the same batch), and on the first and last about 30 minutes after drinking the Vital Greens.

First roll was wicked, as expected. The peak lasted at least 3-4 hours.

Second roll was still pretty damn good, but as expected not as good as the first. Note - I'd left my shaker on the bench at home, so no Vital Greens.

Third roll (weekend we just had) was something else. Usual fast, downed the vital greens on the way out, then T+0:00 downed my 200mg cap...T+0:30 I begun to feel effects...T+0:40 is where things took a turn towards the unexpected. This was THE MOST INTENSE come up I've ever experienced. Full blown synaesthesia, eyes wobbling like a motherfucker, ALL the good things. This was quite possibly my most intense (not to be mistaken with magical, lol) roll ever. The rush was unbelievable, the high almost too good to be true.


Point of the post - what, if anything, about the vital greens could effect the intensity of the roll? I'm leaning towards alkalising or at least reducing the acidity of my digestive system, resulting in more MDMA being absorbed without being broken down? I can almost assure you that if it has anything to do with a placebo effect of sorts, it's not because I expected the Vital Greens to intensify the roll - by the time I took my cap I'd forgotten all about drinking the stuff anyway. Only thing I can think of would be set and setting, which was fairly optimal, but set and setting won't effect the physical intensity of the substance in the way it did with me. Might enjoy the roll more, but it wouldn't cause the come up to blow me out of my seat :D


Thoughts?
 
Yikes.... beat your brain more like it.
you shouldn't roll more then once every 1-3 months and that's on the extreme short end.
this is bad for you control your self and space them out before you do something real damage..

I also believe in lower doses being better some times.
ideally I like to take 125-160mgs of tested mdma.
I've had some 200mg rolls where I was just gone and the come down was hell.
 
Oh, in no way am I condoning frequent use lol. Normally I space rolls out ~2 months.

Haven't experienced ANY comedown or dip since Saturday night though, and it's currently 11:10am Tuesday morning. Not that this means I should do it again, of course.

Unfortunately for me, I have a hard headed tolerance to just about any compound. Psychedelics for example, I generally need roughly double the dosage to hit the same level as others :(
 
badrobot114 said:
Would help if you let us know what are the ingredients in Vital Greens lol
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Sorry, there was a link in my post but it's a bit hard to tell the words are a URL with the forum background. Here:

http://www.martinandpleasance.com/products/vital-greens-300g/

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I knew I had another night coming up, so I started munching 74% cocoa dark chocolate as I heard it helps, obviously loaded with the all important tryptophan.
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Chocolate does not contain large amounts of tryptophan, and if it did, it would likely make little difference (it's dietarily common anyway). Nor does chocolate contain anything like an active dose of an MAOI. This is a testament to the power of the placebo effect, coupled with the mild stimulants, caffeine and theobromine.

ebola
 
PsychedelicHaze said:
The placebo effect. Curing cancer since the sugar pill.
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Just wanted to say I took some sugar pills before my last roll, and damn, I was rolling -HARD-.

On a serious note, there might be some pharmacological merit behind dark chocolate and MDMA still. Especially when MDMA is taken often and levels of Serotonin in the brain are lower than baseline. Surprisingly, the more intriguing account in this thread is actually from trozzle and his Vital Greens.
 
^^ haha cheers! I certainly don't want to suggest that the Vital Greens directly impacted the intensity of my roll, but all I can absolutely assure you of is that if my roll was mindblowing thanks to a placebo effect, the placebo had nothing whatsoever to do with the Vital Greens. I'd forgotten all about drinking it, and I certainly wouldn't be expecting it to intensify my roll as much as it did even if it was on my mind.


There's a small chance it was to do with the contents of my cap though lol - found myself a single rock that weighed bang fucking on 200mg. I'm talking +/- 2mg. 200mg as I said is my ideal dose, so perhaps this was a sign from the Molly gods? IT WAS MEANT TO BE, I TELLS YA! But no seriously, maybe it was to do with it being a single solid rock rather than semi-powdered crystal; even though they've all been from the same batch.


Meh, I'll continue downing my Vital Greens before I roll. Not like it's doing any HARM :) I (and I'm sure others) would really appreciate it if someone else could give this a shot though, see if there's any merit behind my claims. Fast the entire day, down the Vital Greens an hour or so before you drop, report on experience :D
 
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