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Opiate and opioid withdrawal: Coping strategies and medication

Come on fella, all that work and you throw it away on a kratom which ain't all that great but has a horrible WD. At least take an actually opiate which doesnt have a brutal WD. as its pretty obvious you don't want to stop taking opiates.

I say this as I can see you walking straight back into another addiction.
 
i bought 3 mini pouches of "extract" at £4 each and 1 pack of leaves at £7.99 which i ground up into powder anyway and it was about the same ammount as one of the pouches. The extract looks just the same as the stuff the internet vendors give fancy names to like red vein thai for example (except this was green !). It is miles cheaper off the net in bulk ammounts. Depending on your tolerance you might need the whole lot at once, i took the 3 pouches first and shortly after ground up the leaves. Its not really worth £20, but like i say is far better VFM off the net. But you could get your samples from the headshop and see if it does tickle your receptors in a satisfactory way. If you are used to Oxy etc and have quite a bit of tolerance it may not be worth your while at all.
 
Come on fella, all that work and you throw it away on a kratom which ain't all that great but has a horrible WD. At least take an actually opiate which doesnt have a brutal WD. as its pretty obvious you don't want to stop taking opiates.

I say this as I can see you walking straight back into another addiction.

yeah i can see it happening too. I happen to find kratom very nice now ive lowered my tolerance. I'm aware tolerance can and will probably rise very quickly if i let this become a daily thing. I need to master it at this early stage of relapse or im headed for a full on kratom addiction. I can see the hazard coming from miles away, i have to hope some part of me stops me colliding straight into it. I do want to stop taking opis, i just find it extremely difficult to live without them.
 
i bought 3 mini pouches of "extract" at £4 each and 1 pack of leaves at £7.99 which i ground up into powder anyway and it was about the same ammount as one of the pouches. The extract looks just the same as the stuff the internet vendors give fancy names to like red vein thai for example (except this was green !). It is miles cheaper off the net in bulk ammounts. Depending on your tolerance you might need the whole lot at once, i took the 3 pouches first and shortly after ground up the leaves. Its not really worth £20, but like i say is far better VFM off the net. But you could get your samples from the headshop and see if it does tickle your receptors in a satisfactory way. If you are used to Oxy etc and have quite a bit of tolerance it may not be worth your while at all.

Yeah, it does seem kinda expensive for an experiment, bearing in mind that £20 of oxy would more than see me through an evening.

Might buy some online and see what the score is. Though as you say, it's possibly not worth my while at all.
 
Yeah, it does seem kinda expensive for an experiment, bearing in mind that £20 of oxy would more than see me through an evening.

Might buy some online and see what the score is. Though as you say, it's possibly not worth my while at all.

well unless you are getting your oxy extremely cheaply, i guess you are taking 20 - 40 mg, or something in that region ? If you are taking more than 50mg or so i would imagine your tolerance would make kratom quite worthless. The yoghurt method is far more effective and far more pallatable than making an undrinkable tea out of it.
 
in that case i would guess you are going to need a lot of kratom. Like ten teaspoonfulls or something, and thats just for starters. That would be pallatable mixed into a couple of yogurts and probably cheaper than 60mg of oxy. Apparently kratom works on a number of different receptors rather than just the 2 main opi receptors.
 
Ok I'm nearly done with my first 24 hours. Only to codeine but it is my first addiction to opies and first withdrawal so it's been a bit of a shock.

Yesterday I took my last dose which is about half what I normally take. By last night I was sweating and not sleeping. Somehow got to sleep and managed to sleep a bit.

Today I went out on my pharmacy mission. I Went to the doc, got Xanax (wouldn't give me Valium) then went to the pharmacy, got
Alieve -anti inflammatory
Sominex
Lope (immodium)
Vitamins b / magnesium mix and a full multi vitamin thing

Restless legs coming on now but im prepared now at least.

Also sorry to anyone who thinks this might be a bit tame that have gone through much worse. But just know ive gone through a shit load with other things at least.
 
It's not a competion as to who has the worst thing to w/d from. It seems to be different for everybody regardless of which opi they are w/d ing from. Allthough having said that poppy pods are meant to have one of the most prolonged w/ds of all. It sounds like you have a very good selection of meds to ease your w/ds a bit and that is a good start and will probably help a great deal. All i can say is good luck, and take things one day at a time.

If you smoke cigarettes i would recommend quitting them too. That helps a great deal with the physical side of things.
 
MDB- I'm sure you have heard it or thought it before, but for such a benign gentle seeming substance Kratom has some seriously nasty withdrawals. The opioid part isn't too bad at reasonable amounts, but the depression- anxiety- lethargy aspect of it lingers forever..quite different than opioid PAWS, more like antidepressant style. It can be a real wolf in sheeps clothing!

Great for withdrawal from other opioids, great as a maintenance drug too, but a serious bitch to come off of after prolonged use. I'd rather kick a much stronger short acting opioid if I'd been on the Kratom as maintenance for a while.....much more straight forward.....in addition to it's Mu action Kratom has alkaloids working on the adrenergic system, NMDA antagonism, calcium channel blockers, muscle relaxers, etc etc. Not nearly as extreme but kind of like how poppies are so much nastier to kick than morphine...kicking dozens of drugs at once!

Tread carefully man. Be well.
 
^ Seconding that and Sam's thoughts. Won't belabout the point cos you know yourself, MDB. If you can see it coming could you maybe just try to at least skip a day or two here and there?

Also sorry to anyone who thinks this might be a bit tame that have gone through much worse. But just know ive gone through a shit load with other things at least.

No need to be apologising - addiction is addiction and withdrawal is withdrawal. We don't make judgements about what the addiction happens to be to - they're all shit and withdrawals are horrid no matter what.

It looks like you have the basic all-purpose cluck kit to hand - all of those should help to some extent (and a warm bath works wonders too for RLS and general grottiness). Other than that it's basically just doing it. Are you planning on tapering down or stopping CT? Dropping half your dose overnight is a bit drastic but good on you if you did it okay. It's generally the final stages of a taper that are trickiest. Receptors will (grudgingly) get by on less than they're used to as long as there's still plenty sloshing about but once your dose is down to dregs you're gonna get some w/d symptoms no matter what. Shitty but just the way it is.

From what I recall you haven't been using for all that long in the grand scheme so it shouldn't be too bad (of course these things are all relative and it's unlikely to feel like it's "not too bad" at the time, unfortunately). Symptoms get worse each time you go through an addiction-w/d cycle. If you can take anything from the experience that's not a bad thing to be taking: it only gets worse each time you relapse so relapsing is best avoided if at all possible.

W/D symptoms can be minimised by doing a gradual taper down but the flipside is that it's more drawn out. Different people prefer one method over the other - some prefer a long, slow taper down with a lil bump back to Earth at the end and others just like to get it all over and done with as quickly as possible so opt for CT. I'm in the former camp but it really is all down to what suits the individual.

The plus point of it being your first opi-w/d is that it should be fairly well controlled and managed with the OTC meds and supplements you already have. Try not to overdo it with the benzos cos we all know they can become kinda moreish themselves and they're not necessarily gonna actually get you to sleep at night so much as help with the anxiety that is a common feature of w/d and generally take the edge off things. They definitely help but they will not actually block out the w/d effects so much as ease them. Loperamide I've actually never used but anything to help with the GI stuff is a massive bonus cos lawdy does that get unpleasant 8(

Basically, you're good to go whether you opt for a quick taper, a slow taper or plain ol' CT. Try not to expect the worst and you may find it's not quite as bad as you think first time out after a relatively brief period of use. No fun at all but eminently doable. And do please report back whenever you feel like doing so and make good use of the facilities here to vent and bitch and whine or whatever you feel like doing. Plenty here know exactly what you're going through and it really can help to compare notes and feedback and general support. It's unlikely to be the greatest week of your life but it is only a week at most - usually more like 4-5 days for codeine - and it will pass.

And good luck with it <3
 
Assignment done. Finally got it to 4041 words (41 over) but I'm glad that's over. Council coming tomorrow to stick a fan in the bathroom so no more condensation. I don't like opening the windows especially in winter.

Sorry I haven't been around much today my head's smash after doing that all day, nearly put fist through my laptop as IT WOULD NOT SEND arrrrrrgggg. Now watching little one in her swimming lesson but think she 's mostly talking lol.
 
thank you amanitadine. That is exactly the type of thing i need to try to keep reminding myself about all of the time. The occasional dose for recreation and relief i can justify to myself but to allow myself to fall into a prolonged and daily habit would be just beyond stupid.
 
Yes that is the plan. Ideally i only want to be taking it fortnightly or something like that.

Like I've said before, it can be done. I really do think that a period of total abstinence (opi wise) would be for the best though. It's your call.

I tried to tell myself I'd stopped all but the weakest stuff, and it ended up with me doing CWEs every other night at least, buying codeine and DHC off disreputable websites and generally not killing the cravings. You know yourself that I ended up cracking, scoring with a stranger and going on a silly smack binge a few months down the line. Thankfully I had the lithium and all the appointments to get me back in line, but it could easily have been different. Had I taken a break I likely wouldn't have felt I had to resort to doing what I did.

Your shout, as ever. Maybe worth considering though.
 
yeah it would be for the best. I just dont feel that i have the inner strength to do it at the moment. One one hand we have complete sloth demotivation and lethargy, on the other we have energy, motivation, ideas, and joy. The time it takes for that balance to shift is a challenge for even the strongest of people im sure.
 
Just as a note of solidarity, I have become dependent on kratom and my use has shot up over the "holidays". I stopped weighing my doses, and then out of curiousity I weighed what I was about to have yesterday, and it was 10g. And that was my second dose. Previously I had been disciplined and only ever had 5g a day, over about 18 months. But for various reasons my use has shot up.

I've also been breaking my rules about poppy tea, and had been having a brew 3 times a week. Last night's brew was the first for a week, so that's an improvement, but I was in a foul mood without it.

I'm going to have to go through some pain to get my use back under control. I know my habit is small compared to others, but it has become a dependency, and it's not an easy one to get out of. I've been relying on etizolam daily too, which is another of my rules broken. I've not been going berserk with the stuff like I did a couple of years ago, it's been controlled, but it's another dependency that I'm not happy about.
 
The problem as far as i can see is that what feels so good is meant to be wrong. It fixes most of my ills and then coats them with sugar. Tolerance and sustainabilty may be a problem. I am most definately in the very early stages of a kratom honeymoon. Its become one of my favourite substances within days. Its in my top 4 allready. I dunno what pattern my usage is going to take yet, if i do get in too deep with it, i suspect it will be muirder to get out of the hole ive dug for myself, if one day it turns on me.

The music appreciation on it is incredible, if there was a "warmth" level in graphic equalisers it boosts this factor up by 10. im going to be getting back into attending live gigs now i reckon. If i can keep my usage linited to such occasions that would be perfect.
 
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