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[MEGA] Synthetic Cannabinoid Discussion - Take 4

N0 W4RN1NG said:
^ FDU-PB22 is nice, but Toz if you're the kind of guy that gets 'immune' after a few hits until the next day (Im the EXACT same way, so I know what you mean) you will have to take it easy on FDU. It is less strong than F-U-B-PB22, for instance.
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that makes sense at least on paper since 8-quinolinol is replaced by a naphthalene group, similar to the structure of AM2201.

I do wish these ones didn't fall under the analog act in the U.S. being analogs of JWH-018.
 
either of you have any experience with AB-FUBINACA?

it is not easy to get the THJ series on this side of the pond and my plants are starting to wilt. :(
 
jeremysdemo said:
either of you have any experience with AB-FUBINACA?

it is not easy to get the THJ series on this side of the pond and my plants are starting to wilt. :(
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Yes, best cannabinoid since JWH-018 according to me. Extremely stoning cannabinoid, it's probably the most sedating one I've ever tried. Really potent also, on the level of 5F-PB-22. Lasts about 1 hour with tolerance so it's longer lasting than most cannabinoids also. About the same potency via oral ROA as smoking also.

The verdict is in on FDU-PB22 and PB22 - these cannabinoids felt extremely similiar, so similiar it was hard to tell them apart except for FDU being less potent. PB22 felt like a less potent version of 5F-Pb22. It was a decent cannabinoid, quite mellow high similiar to weed I think. I would still have prefered the 5F version because of increased potency and a more intense high.
 
IMO AB-Fubinaca is very similar to a good sativa, as might be expected from Ki values, but nowhere as potent as 5F-PB-22 nor as sedating as AB-Pinaca. While AB-Fubinaca is excellent on its own, it is best used in combination with AB-Pinaca. That combo is one of the best since 018/073.
 
intas said:
IMO AB-Fubinaca is very similar to a good sativa, as might be expected from Ki values, but nowhere as potent as 5F-PB-22 nor as sedating as AB-Pinaca. While AB-Fubinaca is excellent on its own, it is best used in combination with AB-Pinaca. That combo is one of the best since 018/073.
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Then we have had different cannabinoids sold as AB-Fubinaca. :/ Actually as expected from it's Ki values it should be indica and it should be very potent. High CB1 binding = sedating from what I gather?
 
What are you guys talking about? I highly doubt you could gleam that sort of information from CB Ki's, as Ki's have absolutely no barring on actual effect though they can give an estimation on how strong it may be though many other things factor into that as well.
 
Toz said:
Yes, best cannabinoid since JWH-018 according to me. Extremely stoning cannabinoid, it's probably the most sedating one I've ever tried. Really potent also, on the level of 5F-PB-22. Lasts about 1 hour with tolerance so it's longer lasting than most cannabinoids also. About the same potency via oral ROA as smoking also.
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thank you for sharing experience Toz.

that concerns me a bit, because I really don't want sedation, I prefer light mental highs that motivate and give the body energy, stimulate the creative center etc, as least for my daily mainstay.

I mean for night use to aid with sleep or combine with beer sounds good the way you describe it! %)

Toz said:
The verdict is in on FDU-PB22 and PB22 - these cannabinoids felt extremely similiar, so similiar it was hard to tell them apart except for FDU being less potent. PB22 felt like a less potent version of 5F-Pb22. It was a decent cannabinoid, quite mellow high similiar to weed I think. I would still have prefered the 5F version because of increased potency and a more intense high.
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everything you are saying makes sense, even from a clinical aspect, the three are very close analogs, and 5F's influence on noids is well documented.

still you would do better to give each one their own trial at least a month apart with down time in between.

I don't have time today to go into the whole endocannabinoid system, fatty acids and other factors that will contribute to different results but back to back testing in the same day has it's issues as far as accuracy of results.
 
jeremysdemo said:
thank you for sharing experience Toz.

that concerns me a bit, because I really don't want sedation, I prefer light mental highs that motivate and give the body energy, stimulate the creative center etc, as least for my daily mainstay.

I mean for night use to aid with sleep or combine with beer sounds good the way you describe it! %)
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If you don't have the same problem with tolerance, 5F-Ab-Pinaca (which is very light and stimulating) seems like a better choice then, or Ab-Pinaca (which is basically the same as fubinaca without the extremely sedating effects and less potent).

It seems we are looking for different highs, I usually mix my cannabinoids with low doses of ketamine or other NMDA antagonists so I prefer a cannabinoid that is a full agonist and very potent because they will intensify each other alot. This almost eliminates my neuropathic pain and allows me to get some rest I would otherwise have a very hard time aquiring.

Help?!?! said:
What are you guys talking about? I highly doubt you could gleam that sort of information from CB Ki's, as Ki's have absolutely no barring on actual effect though they can give an estimation on how strong it may be though many other things factor into that as well.
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I was just speaking from personal experience. Cannabinoids with high cb2 selctivity tends to be more stimulating and overall "weird".
 
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Toz said:
If you don't have the same problem with tolerance, 5F-Ab-Pinaca (which is very light and stimulating) seems like a better choice then, or Ab-Pinaca (which is basically the same as fubinaca without the extremely sedating effects and less potent).

It seems we are looking for different highs, I usually mix my cannabinoids with low doses of ketamine or other NMDA antagonists so I prefer a cannabinoid that is a full agonist and very potent because they will intensify each other alot. This almost eliminates my neuropathic pain and allows me to get some rest I would otherwise have a very hard time aquiring.
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I think you about nailed it there, different types of highs desired.

I have no pain, just a guitar,bass and drumset and a room full of recording equipment I like to tweak the knobs on, really hard to do when your mind is out to lunch or you just feel like napping all day.

I def like the stimulating, maybe even the "weird" sometimes if it happens to put my mind into a creative mode....

if you look at my past experience post most of the noids I listed are in the mellow range with the right doese, I might have left one out AM1248? but they all were sought out for that reason.
 
Ten (10) grams of mam-2201 lasted me a good half year, and I still have a bit left (like one gram). And I have a tolerance and smoke almost 24/7.
 
no go guys for US, (AB-FUBINACA) (ADB- PINACA) (5F-PB-22) (PB- 22)

read this emergency scheduling DEA report effective Jan. 10, 2014.

21 Crf part 1308

I'm not discussing the noids left available from my vendors here any further, best to keep them on the DL.
 
thenightwatch said:
^ effective February 10th actually, order those ones now if you want 'em
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I understand the 30 day from registry stipulation, to be in effect.

that being said many vendors are from China with few US vendors carrying stock (most drop ship), China vendors will not be back from Spring holiday until Feb. 7th. ;) takes about 8 days from shore to shore.

it is my understanding many people use synth noids to avoid urine test and other legal issues surrounding MJ, this sort of negates that benefit IMHO.

btw, legal cases involving PB-22 and 5F-pb22 are already documented in the US as far back Oct. 2013, the DEA utilized the "manufacturing and human consumption intent clause" to seize the assets of vendors and retail sellers tho there was no documentation or published assays to classify them a ‘cannabimimetic agents’ CB1 receptor agonist.

this legislation is a mere formality at this point, but it utilizes the emergency scheduling provision for safety and health of the community and sites several hospital cases and deaths.
 
yeah, indeed... at the end of the day none of these things are legally "safe" in the US. some are just more dangerous than others.

and as always, its a LOT more dangerous to sell than it is to buy.
 
true,

that is how the law is structured to penalize sellers with minimum time and fines and slap users on the wrist with a misdemeanor.
 
I highly encourage all of us to use abbreviations and asterisks when discussing new chems, as I have pointed out in this thread and also Jeremy's Demo, they are scheduling the ones we talk about...
 
N0 W4RN1NG said:
I highly encourage all of us to use abbreviations and asterisks when discussing new chems, as I have pointed out in this thread and also Jeremy's Demo, they are scheduling the ones we talk about...
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yeah we should come up with our own code names!

I'm thinking Theodore Huxtable James would be a good one...%)

Sub-dwarf B star (HIP 62157 in virgo) will be visible at 6:00pm on the 1st of feb.

I will let you all know how the sighting goes....=D
 
N0 W4RN1NG said:
MN-series compounds will metabolize into naphthylAMINE, a hazardous DNA alkylating agent also found in cigarettes.
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sounds like some scary shite.

out of caution I tended to avoid anything even remotely similar in name in the compounds, I don't want to kill my mice a do rather love them. :)

that being said, I recently noticed a new sound coming out of jam room 018 at the dorm, eg. punkish-rap-skibop. the naphthalen-1 drummer was the first in the band to play....was wondering if he was going to cause any ruckus like his similarly named brother did.
 
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