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i should be more concerned with phone interview preparation, ive applied for 50 jobs this afternoon, had 4 callbacks, and 3 failures to progress any further so far. Still this is only my 2nd attempt to apply for jobs this year, and i suppose just getting some call backs alone is a good thing. I just dont seem to be telling them what they want to hear or something, no matter what spin i put on the truth. :!

Persistence will pay off my friend tells me, i have to believe that, i do believe it.
 
true but I mean a trip to the amazon must include some sort of planning for at least the simple things like appropriate footwear and clothes. But i won't lose sleep over it.. i hope
 
^ There was actually an EADD thread bitchin' 'bout Hamilton (he's a BLer dontcha know). I quite like the fella actually... but can see the criticism :D

babylonboy said:
... Lyrica is a powerful ally when pursuing deep states of falling over a lot, rolling about the floor making funny noises, forgetting most of the previous. YMMV.
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Fix'd ;)

Marmalade said:
let's not be exploding any myths about floatation tanks pls ... Ken Russell taught me good


posting from my own floatation tank ie: zee bath
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Should've known somebody who knows a fine fillum when they see one was gonna beat me to that partcular reference. I actually only got around to watching it fairly recently. Classic <3

(i've always fancied a flotation tank but that film made me really fancy a flotation tank... with extras)
 
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Is this the thread to talk about branded so called legal highs, such as these things being sold as Charlie Sheen, Gold Dust, China White, Mind Melt, Gogaine etc?!
 
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as far as i know we can talk about that stuff in here but most people look down their noses at branded stuff as its whats wreaking the rc market
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Thanks for that mate, I agree that they are wrecking the RC market too. I have, however, found a site that I will be making some purchases of pipes, etc and they have some of these things on so thought I'd read up and see if it's worth ordering three things off one site or one thing off three!

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Thread for branded pills and powders...
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Cheers pal
 
European wreck-heads, i trust you lot more than the rest of BL, i've read over a few of the threads but if anyone who has a palpable aura of knowledge around them (e.g backroll or f&b back int' day) can shed some light on this i would be a very happy man

Got my hands on some butyr-fent this morning, only got a pretty small amount and the dose is said to be around 1mg, so if i were to try it id start at <100mcg and work my way up. I know this wqas breifly available with some other fent analogs a few months back, did nayone get the chance to sample? If though, thoughts/opinions> I cant see it being too much different to fent, but i re\ly liked fent, not as warm and euphoric as gear but i found it much more sedating and that blissfu totall nodding effect much easier. Anyways, just wondering if anyone in these parts of the virtual world had tried it (or AMF which i imagine would have relatively similar advice)

I have 30mg, but its in a baggy so inevitable id miss some. Even soi, if i were going to do some, i'd boil some water and find a sterilized container (got limited resources here), and use a syringe to meaure out exactly 15ml of water, i'd the, have a roughly 2mg/ml solution of butyr-fent to IM and IV at my leisure. Am i missing out any obvious harm reduction info othuer than dont do it? Im not planning to anyways, but itlk be in my stash nd itd be nice to have some HR to fall back on if i stumble back across it in a year or 2. I've made fucking sure i couldnt've mixed it with something else, AKAIK it dissolves absolutely fine in water, make sure the containers airtight in a cool dry place if i store it in a liquid, or leave it vaccum sealed otherwise

I feel like im missing something, and i really would love to hear some experiences on it, im sure some of you will have tried it!
 
^You can't just make up a solution in a sterile container and expect it to stay sterile, you need to add something to inhibit microbial growth, benzyl alcohol at 1%, for instance. Hate to be the bearer of bad news, I know you say you've only limited resources, but especially IMing, you run the risk of contracting a nasty infection if you make up an aqueous solution like that and let it sit. Even sealed ampoules of water designed for injection are supposed to be discarded immediately after the first shot for precisely this reason. Also, you need to be really, really careful when you're working with pure fentanyls. As in, you need to wear a mask and gloves and goggles, and work in an easily cleaned and ventilated area, and wash your entire body and clothes immediately afterwards. It might seem OTT, but we are talking about drugs that are so potent that an invisible speck can kill a person. I know you're tolerant, but still, the need for caution can hardly be overstated, and even if you're fine, you'd not like a guest in your house to suddenly go over. I'd even suggest prophylactically taking buprenorphine beforehand to prevent ODing, if opioid dependence/withdrawal doesn't preclude doing so, and with the understanding that such a precaution would not lessen the need for any of the other measures mentioned here. Fentanyl and its analogues are about as dangerous as recreational drugs get, as a look at the Shrine will confirm.
 
^The problem is weighing out individual doses. No-one has a home balance that can reliably measure sub-milligram quantities. It's much easier and safer to dissolve the whole lot into a standard solution at once, but this does require some sort of preservative. I would usually use vodka for drugs to be taken orally, but for IV that clearly doesn't work. Yes, sealed ampoules are even better than boiled water, but an ampoule that has already previously been opened is actually one of the worst sources of injection water (you'd be better off just using tapwater).
 
Fair comment, but what about trying this method:

Take 30ml of sterile water (boiled tap water should suffice for this) and dissolve yer 30mg fent analogue in it to give a 1mg/ml solution.

Next, take a pill box, or something similar which has separate small water tight compartments, preferably with a lid.

Using a 1ml syringe place 1mg of yer solution in each compartment.

Leave until all the water evaporates, thus precipitating 1mg of fent in each compartment.

Then when ready for a hit, use a fresh sterile amp and put the required volume of water into one compartment to dissolve the fent again.

Toss in a fresh sterile filter, draw up and bang.

This gets round the problems of weighing sub mg doses and storing a solution.
 
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Yeah, you're right, that works too. Even 1mg could be an awful lot of a fentanyl, though, so obviously one would want to titrate up, which would be hard by that method, or work out what dose you want in each evaporating dish, which you can't do until you've found a way to safely dose, if you see what I mean. Having said that, yes, your method should work just fine once you know how much you want each dosage unit to be, and the drug will be more stable dry, too.
 
Yeh I get you, but the guy said the dose was 1mg so I was using those figures accordingly. What he's got must be a much less potent analogue of fentanyl. It it was pure fent then I agree he would be treading on dodgy ground.
 
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F.U.B.A.R. said:
Fair comment, but what about trying this method:

Take 30ml of sterile water and dissolve yer fent analogue in it to give a 1mg/ml solution.

Next, take a pill box, or something similar which has separate small water tight compartments, preferably with a lid.

Using a 1ml syringe place 1mg of yer solution in each compartment.

Leave until all the water evaporates, thus precipitating 1mg of fent in each compartment.
Then when ready for a hit, use a fresh sterile amp and put the required volume of water into one compartment to dissolve the fent again. T

oss in a fresh sterile filter, draw up and bang.

This gets round the problem of weighing sub mg doses.
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Nice. If in a hurry then I expect acetone would make a decent solvent too since it evaporates off at like 55 degrees or something so is massively convenient in that regard.
 
Would there not still be some potential infection risk from the powder itself using that method? I really wouldn't know for sure but seems to me there could be. Albeit a pretty small risk compared to other options, I'm sure.

And whilst we're on the subject, anybody got a proper method for making sterile solutions that would be suitable for IM (or indeed IV but is really IM I'm interested in) use? I know f&b used to produce sterile IM solutions for his own use and vaguely recall it being rather simple but don't recall the details and is obviously a thing I'd like to be pretty damn sure I'm doing correctly if I do at all.
 
Not something I have any experience in myself but its something I'd be interested to know the answer to. Just throwing some idea's around: bacteria can't survive at temperatures above 63 degrees so heat is one method. Unfortunately certain drugs, especially some opiates, tend to fall apart at around 60 degrees themselves so this could end up being a non starter.

IM injection of a vodka solution would be ok in terms of dose so long as we're talking 1 or 2 ml (I believe the IV ethanol dose at which 50% of people drop dead is 29ml of pure ethanol - equivalent to just 3 shots of 40% spirits funnily enough). However, like I said , I know nothing about IM myself so I have no idea whether ethanol is damaging to muscle tissue, or simply hurts like a motherfucker or whatever so have no clue on that one unfortunately.

Shambles, you used to be quite big on the old MXE IM injection in thigh muscle a couple of years back if I remember correctly no?
 
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I was indeed, yes. Not just MXE either - a variety of RCs. I am aware this is not exactly HR at its finest hence asking about safer preparations. It's hard for an auld IV monster when the veins are all gone bye-bye. You really miss it. Plugging is a more than reasonable alternative in terms of effects - really rather similar to IM in many ways - but it does lack a certain something. And, much as every good boy enjoys fiddling with his arse - or perhaps the arses of others if especially keen - it doesn't have quite the same fetish factor as fiddling about with needles and swabs does. Which is perhaps a lil arse about face, as it were, but I digress. Frequently.

It is very true what they say about needle fetishes though - once you develop one it really is almost more about the preparation and administration than it is about the Brucie Bonus of getting fuxxorred in doublequick time. I don't want to be poking myself about anything like as much as I once did but I would like the option when the mood strikes sometimes. I am well aware of just how iffy IM can be if you get an infection though - a certain EADDer nearly lost a leg (not to mention his life) a year or so back from just that - so I really would like to know the safest way of going about it cos I suspect I've mostly just been fortunate to have not had any really worrisome issues so far.

And on the voddy thing, it would sting like all buggeryfuck so less than ideal. Plus I'm sure f&b's method didn't involve alcohol. Did involve heat, I'm sure, but have a niggling feeling there was more to it than simply heating. Not sure about heat's effect on the actual drug - if it's below the substances boiling point will it still be likely to degrade it? Obviously it can be done cos it is done but I really don't know much in the way of detail so hoping some of y'all more learned and technical types may be able to chip in :)
 
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