RCs Best stimulant RC - Study Aid

[tentram]

haha yeah agreed. i'm with ya now.

 

[Znegative]

From my experience with 4-FA, it is not comparable in the least to Dextroamphetamine. It's possible that what I was sold was not the real deal, however, the vendor that I was ordering from had a really fucking good reputation. IMO, the 4-FA that I tried is more similar to MDMA than D-amp.

I would also highly advise you not to use MDPV (or similar drugs) for any purpose at all. While PV does provide a similar stimulation in low dosages as amphetamine does, it's really not the kind of stim that leads you to being productive or creative. I don't know how to describe it exactly...I've never felt like stimulants were great party drugs (especially seeing as I was always injecting them intravenously), but PV has this strange kind of 'club" drug feeling, like you get "pumped". The duration of effect is certainly long enough that it should definately keep you up all night if your cramming for a test, but most likely you'll just end up doing more MDPV. In fact, the only thing I can remember doing on that drug is more of it, or benzo's/opiates to try and knock myself out. Not productive, just dangerous and addictive.

I imagine ethylphenidate might be helpful (though I've never tried it personally) if you find MTP effective, but in all honesty I wouldn't turn to RC's for this purpose. A lot of these drugs are incredibly addictive, way more so than adderall... And the closest feeling I've gotten to d-amphetamine is honestly propylhexadrine, though I'm sure some will disagree..

 

[tricomb]

I fail to see how this is different from a what do I take thread.

Closed.

 

[dekoker]

pentedrone is good, coke too but thats expensive, you need to put your laptop away when you want to study, then pentedrone is good it keeps you focussed but with laptop you're searching everything but not schoolwork

 

[Nekroschizofrenik]

I've been using buphedrone.
It's active in doses as low as even 10-20mg. Increased focus and concentration lasts for like 4-6 hours. Never felt the urge to take some more after initial dose's effects wear off. I have never felt any comedown (though I've taken so far just 1g in total), apart from feeling of slight fatigue, but it's really insignificant (however, my friend, who's more 'acquainted' with stimulants, apparently had comedowns after buph).

Also, I'll have N-ethylbuphedrone soon. From what I've read, you have to take bigger amount of NEB, comparing to 'basic' buphedrone, but the stimulation supposedly lasts longer - heard even of 12 hours of light stimulation, but I can't say nothing about the dose.

As to pentedrone - my friend says, pente is more of a 'party' stimulant and it's effects last shorter than buphedrone.

So I think I can recommend buphedrone, but keep in mind, I'm not overly experienced.

 

[Boupstarnm]

Imho 2-fa or mpa. Anything else I've found on the rc market is too euphoric, too edgy or doesn't last long enough. Maybe 4-fa.

Imo if you gave people a blind taste test, most people wouldn't be able to tell adderall and mpa.

Fuck ethylphenidate, that's only good for marathon fap sessions. Same with 4-mmc and it's cousins.

Edit: also without sourcing, mpa is by farrrrr the easiest to get. Every vendor has that shit in stock. Surprisingly despite everyone's love for 2-fa and 4-fa it's hard as fuck to find. At least in the states. Maybe all you assholes are buy kilos for your head stash

 

[MrPorter]

4-fa at 15mg works wonders for me, but then I study well without it anyway. Only really use it for things I just don't care about or not really interested in.

I think someone did a study and the information retention on a drug was more, but recall and using that information in an exam was the same as without that drug. But this is just so vague, think I read it about 2 years ago maybe on here, maybe not.

 

[gcaudios]

As others have said 2-fa or 2-fma are amazing from my experience, just make sure you do it ORALLY. Once you do it nasally or smoked, you end any productivity that isnt physical.

I know that good 2-fa has been scarce lately, but a medium oral dose of 2-fma, will be very smooth and very productive, as least from my experience. Again I have to stress the ORAL dosing part. Once you start to chase any sort of rush, you screw yourself over and lose any ability to concentrate.

Ive found 4-fa to be way to serotonergic. Ethylphenidate is so-so, sometimes it was alright for me, sometimes it was a dirty feeling high. Again, 2-fma was great for this, especially physical work.

Ive never tried MPA, but it seems like its been a recommendation. I may do a little research into the subject.

 

[WarlordHarmony]

For me the best way to study is to be in a comfterble position. Mine is propped up in bed with my knees under pillows to help support my back. I'm laying down with my back at a 45* angle btw. I have my books in front of me and I turn off all the TVs and radios. No distractions. I study and read until I get a little sleepy. I take a small 15-30 min nap. This is a good thing. While you are resting or sleeping your brain is processing all the info you just took in. If I felt anxiety or stressed a small dose of Xanax kicked the anxiety away and I could focus remember what I read and could process the material.

The max you can study is 2 hrs at time and retain info. Take breaks and keep hydrated and eat healthy foods.

This is the best advice I can give you to study with out losing the the stuff you just studied.

Right on, I took all the legal ADD/ADHD meds from Strattera to Aderall and used Old School Amps (Pemoline, Amphepramone from Brazil years before it became popular as a RC, I used Aminptine with Amphetamines and Coke, Ammineptine was only legal in Switzerland and uruguay when I got it in the late 90s when I was about to enter College life) and after using 10% of your head and 90% of your butt and be rested and comfortable like Coraline said (my grandfather was a Mathemitican, a pretty respected one, and when I studied with him we always took breaks to do whatever we wanted (napping or playing video games, I was like 12) for half an hour, and well he always cited quotes and studies about the elasticity of the brain and how you retain the contents way better if after learning them you let your subconscious soak in them....

Well back to drugs, I had success with Mexican Ardafinil I found at my cousin's once, was way better than the brand name Modafinil I had used in the past, which was good, but it was to study things I already sorta knew and was interested on.... On the other hand amineptine is/was an atypical tryciclic antidepressant that is a Selective Dopamine Reuptake Inhibtor, so basically the amp/coke last waaaaayyy longer and you get a way much more dopaminergic effect, perfect for studying things you thought you'd never will!!

Well it was a damn rarity when I got it back in 99, but there must be something similar in the RC scene, it's not good at all for women though it cause some Utero/Fertilty problems IIRC and the medical community hated it...it was a rarity from a really special and well versed pharmacist senior friend from when I started med school, he took me under his wing whilst e was there and it was amazing...I studied on everything and it a lll depends o how you are feeling, how you slept/ate, etc....sometimes Venlafaxine and Methylphenidate were way better than adder all and viceversa.....Amphepramone was good for sex but sucked for studying, I haven't tried RC substituted cathinones, and really don't think they'd help as a study aid, way lees PV's...Doctors here in the 60s and 70s took amphetamine sulphate like there's was no tomorrow at Uni...and manynof them have high positions in anti drug organisms now, lol, I know first hand cause many of those docs told me of the days where they took amphetamines and coffee to study for 3days straight....nowadays the new generation uses cocaine which is a terrible study aid unless it's great quality and you have loads of strength and self control....even worse med school students in their last years doing internships at public hospitals here be at the ERs they have to do 36hours+ shifts sometimes so they do loads of coke and benzos to come down and go and work that way....

I used to extract and recrystalyze adder all (d-amp) and ritalin (methylphenidate) with ethanol and a heat lamp, sometimes other solvents were used but it was really simple and the extracted stuff is so much lighter/better for studying, but you need a 000 accurate scale or it's easy to do a huge ass line... As far as the actual RC scene goes I had MDAI, 5-Meo-DALT, DOB (whig cause confusion but could be used to absorb knowledge) and 25i and 25CNBOMe....had 25i once sold as LSD and made me toss the dealer....but anyways I have this friend who's really into experimenting this new RCs with me and since with a short trip we can get Methylphenidate from shady Farmacias (think a safer Tijuana) he really wanted 4-fa after a lot of reading, but I'm gonna order some 2-fma 2-fa when I find it hope the vendor also stocks 4-fa and we'll kill two birds with one stone, the sources I use don't stock it...and I'm very leary of using new sources and SoS reports...before I had a caffeine OD (drank about 80oz of coffee at a Dunkin' Donuts at an airport after chatting up the girl that worked there for 8hours instead of sleeping waiting to connect flights) one of the worse experiences of my life, worse than tramadol seizures, and in a way than H ODs cuz you don't remember till you're back alive...caffeine OD at/after a packed flight was hell, but yeah it was a great study aid!!!

Now I have IBS so I have to take loads of lope (I used to be addicted to opies so I always had opies on me when i did stimulants) so can't drink coffee....I'm gonna try 4-fa for partying, I don't study anymore but I'm always doing research/learning will see how these new stimulants affect that....and if you can get Amineptine and take coke/amps 45mins after...wow, you can do anything....but once again it's all mental, if you feel that you need a study aid or otherwise you won't be able to study you're doing it wrong, and if you really have an attention deficit search medical help...damn if I had to chose from my vendors I would go with Ethylphenidate, unit 1gram is a fucking lot, enough for about 2 semesters for me, so be careful....really moderate doses of high quality amp/coke help, but if you can stomach a couple of double espressos every couple of hours that had me working like there was no tomorrow!!!

Basically you blot loads of great answers, it feels great to be again here on bluelight! Hope your studying seshs go great!

 

[bennyZA]

SERIOUS 2-FMA HEALTH WARNING:

So I think this is really important to tell people, in fact I would have made a thread just for this news I got from my friend, maybe this post will be split off if a mod thinks it should be... but... MASSIVE WARNING ON USING 2-FMA AS A REGULAR STUDY DRUG

I want to preface this by saying I don't know shit about biology and barely anything about organic chemistry (other than what most druggies know) and that my friend i will be speaking about is also not an expert in either subject, so please feel free to correct me if I say something stupid (Sekio, I'm looking at you buddy) but in the end, 2-FMA is directly responsible for potentially fatal heart issues.

So a friend of mine lost his adderall script so he decided to try 2-FMA, he said it was absolutely amazing, made life easier in general So he started taking it like he used to take adderall. He said that he felt better overall, was able to get more done, was able to take on much more than simple amphetamines ever let him, in fact, he would talk for hours about how 2-FMA should be the new adderall of the future...

Well, he has now had 2 heart surgeries in 2 weeks due to a severe heart arrhythmia and some other complication I can't remember. It was caused by large amounts of toxic 'amphetamine like substances' that had been accumulating in his fatty tissue and eventually began to effect his peripheral nervous system and heart without him realizing it. It's actual similar to normal amphetamine overuse but the 'amphetamine like substances' released slowly were severely cardio-toxic byproducts of 2-FMA. At first they couldn't figure out what was wrong cause he wouldn't admit to using an RC on a regular basis. Finally he realized he had to tell them and supposedly these byproducts of 2-FMA accumulate much more over time than normal amphetamines, are released even more slowly, and are much more toxic. Eventually his heart basically began to short circuit without him even realizing anything was wrong until he collapsed. Not only did he have to get emergency surgery for the arrhythmia but he had to get some other massively invasive procedure today for some other problem it caused to his heart. He is lucky he's alive at this point, and frankly, all of us - his friends - are freaking out because we'll know in 3 weeks whether they fixed his heart for good or not.

tl;dr: My buddy basically summed up that if you take 2-FMA as regularly as he did (daily for probably about a year) cardio-toxic phenethylamines build up so slowly in your body to the point where you don't even notice the effects until there is enough of these toxic chemicals to cause serious heart damage.

Oh, and btw, his newest doctor is one of the few RC experts and is actually going to use my friend in a study and is positive it is from 2-FMA because the only other drugs he's done in the last year were weed and caffeine (he does not drink).

I also want to point out I have no dog in this race. In fact, I was about to go on a regular 2-FMA 'diet.' Either way, I don't care what you do, but 2-FMA - for sure - fucked up my friends heart and we are not sure what's going to happen.

Please, if you are religious say a prayer for my friend. I think everyone should use this time to reflect on the dangers of regular RC use. As much as I hate them, the FDA exists for precisely this reason. Please spread the message that 2-FMA can cause this problem.

Again, my biology or pharmacology info may be wrong so please feel free to point out any mistakes.

 

[AromaticNitrogen]

I found adrafinil very helpful with little side effects save stinky urine. Not so much for focus sprints, but rather marathons.

 

[Ziiirp]

@bennyZA

Thanks for the important warning. There was the user lenses in the 2-FMA-toxicity thread (http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/598215-2-FMA-Toxicity/page2), who speculated about potentially toxic metabolites of the fluoro(meth)amphetamines that are produced in the organism even days after the ingestion. That correlates with my impression, that the comedown on 2-FMA seems to be very delayed (~2 days later). So far I did not feel any complications with my heart, but I did not use more than once a week for a few months (last time 2 weeks ago). I will definitely stop now (even though there is the minor possibilty, that the toxic byproducts were synthesis related), since I did not even like the effects very much, very overhyped stuff IMHO. Thanks again for the warning and I hope your friend will be fine again after the hard time is over.

 

[bennyZA]

Yea, my friend said the doctor said something about fluoride, I don't know what tho. Details are sketchy as fuck right now. I only found out that it was the 2-FMA that caused the heart issues yesterday, although none of his friend - me included - were surprised the 2-FMA was involved. The first docs didn't even know what happened until he mentioned that he had been using 2-FMA regularly.

He is REALLY REALLY REALLY lucky there is a young-ish medical doctor in our city who is working specifically on long term effects of phenethylamines and is super interested in this case. What interests the doc so much is because it involves a relatively non-intoxicating RC that he was willing to risk his life to take because of current drug prohibition laws.

I really hope no one uses an RC as a daily drug, it's simply too dangerous (this coming from a dude who used to be an RC fiend who was seriously thinking about going to same route as my friend).

 

[bluespeed]

bennyZA:
Fuck those are scary informations, thank you very much for posting it though. It's one of those exceptionally rare reports on long term effect of a RC.

We all secretly know that basically any RC has the potential to cause serious, irreversible damage of basically any kind, or even death, but we ignore the voice of reason because Hey, last night I felt great. It will be like that next time too.

"I really hope no one uses an RC as a daily drug, it's simply too dangerous (this coming from a dude who used to be an RC fiend who was seriously thinking about going to same route as my friend). "
Unfortunately I assure you there are people who use various RCs daily; it's not in thousands, more like hundreds of thousands if not millions of people around the world. Just look at how many bluelighters use MXE daily, for instance. And I bet the number of people who use RC stims daily is much higher than mxe because stims are the drugs of this time. From junkies who shoot 4-mmc intravenously to highly busy people who consider them better alternatives to cofee or illegal strong stimulants.


Could anyone make at least uneducated, or better yet educated, guess on whether the same risk applies for 3- and 4-FA/FMA?

 

[sekio]

Yea, my friend said the doctor said something about fluoride, I don't know what tho. Details are sketchy as fuck right now. I only found out that it was the 2-FMA that caused the heart issues yesterday, although none of his friend - me included - were surprised the 2-FMA was involved. The first docs didn't even know what happened until he mentioned that he had been using 2-FMA regularly.

The fluoride is not neccesarily to blame; if you use large doses of methamphetamine daily it's no good for your heart, either.

These are methamphetamine analogues we are talking about here, people. The same risk applies for all the fluorinated amphetamines, especially 3-FA, which is suspiciously close to fenfluramine, which was known for causing heart valve damage.

 

[adder]

Could anyone make at least uneducated, or better yet educated, guess on whether the same risk applies for 3- and 4-FA/FMA?

Substituting any hydrogen on the benzene ring of amphetamine and similar drugs with fluorine makes the compound more lipophilic, so the compound can pass through the blood-brain barrier easier. This strategy is often used when designing new drugs. It could have a higher incidence of accumulating in fat tissues, but this is all theory though. If 2-FMA was known to cause such complications, then all other fluorinated amphetamine and methamphetamine analogues would be suspected as well. Still, it's only theory that makes some sense to me. The risk however would also be associated with repeated use that would make it impossible for human body to get rid of toxic compounds.

It's impossible to tell how much and how often is safe and not safe.

 

[doppelgänger1]

SERIOUS 2-FMA HEALTH WARNING:

So I think this is really important to tell people, in fact I would have made a thread just for this news I got from my friend, maybe this post will be split off if a mod thinks it should be... but... MASSIVE WARNING ON USING 2-FMA AS A REGULAR STUDY DRUG

What are the diagnoses the doctor gave your friend? How much and how long did he use 2-fma?
How do they know it was caused by a 2fma metabolite and not just an adverse effect of 2fma (which can also be caused by plain amphetamine)?

 

[ThaDudeAbides]

THANK YOU for this post. You may have just saved my friends life. He likes stims more than I do. When I gave them up I handed him 50grams of 2-FMA before I flushed it. He took it. I recently found out how long it lasted him. Now he wants to order 100g.

I'm a fucking drug addict, but I shared this info with him PRAYING he listens and reconsiders his stim use. However being an addict myself I don't have much faith in getting through to him.

THANK YOU for this post.

 

[bennyZA]

What are the diagnoses the doctor gave your friend? How much and how long did he use 2-fma?
How do they know it was caused by a 2fma metabolite and not just an adverse effect of 2fma (which can also be caused by plain amphetamine)?

It's been a little while since I've talked to him, he's been laying low, so when I find out I'll let you know as soon as I can. I've been off the radar myself, so I'll try and get back when I can.

 

[Dmytry]

why not try a nootropic for studying, and mix with caffeine for wakefulness. im a huge fan of noopept + caffeine, although modafinil seems like it would be what you were looking for