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EADD: New (and less new) RCs - steric hindrance and vestigial rituals

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Yeah, I think that is meant to stop laws being used in relation for activities that they clearly were not intended to apply to, or conversely to allow them to be used in cases where a semantic technicality might allow someone to absurdly get off the hook:
The court applies the golden rule in Adler v George (1964). Under the Official Secrets Act 1920 it was an offence to obstruct a member of the armed forces 'in the vicinity' of a prohibited place. The defendant was actually in the prohibited place, rather than 'in the vicinity' of it, at the time of obstruction. The courts had to determine whether “in [the] vicinity of” included on/in the premises. The court applied the golden rule. The court said the in the vicinity did include on or in as well. It would be absurd for a person to be liable if they were near to a prohibited place and not if they were actually in it. The defendant’s conviction was therefore upheld.
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In this case, the law would be used to stop people from producing, selling or using LSD analogues, which is what it was intended to do. Whether or not they meant any of the nitrogen atoms or the one I assumed they were referring to seems moot.
 
are MXP and diphenidine (sp?) 2 different but simillar substances ? Which one is the best ? And what is the difference between the 2 ?

(I dont think I'll bother getting any anyway, heard of another tale of blackouts, i sort of know what to expect with MXE if and when i next want to go down this kind of road)
 
Fascinating, I wasn't aware of this.

So how far does "ambiguity" extend? If a highly qualified chemist is required to interpret the incredibly technical nomenclature in the MoDA (alkoxy in PMA vs. alykleneoxy in 5-APDB), can the court claim that the law is ambiguous and should therefore be purporsively enforced?

Is the intention of the law even clear? If its purpose is to ban all analogues then yes, but this is too wide a scope and sets the scene for excessive scheduling which would hinder research.
 
mydrugbuddy said:
are MXP and diphenidine (sp?) 2 different but simillar substances ? Which one is the best ? And what is the difference between the 2 ?

(I dont think I'll bother getting any anyway, heard of another tale of blackouts, i sort of know what to expect with MXE if and when i next want to go down this kind of road)
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Yeah both similar, Diphenidine came out first with MXP shortly after. I haven't tried diphenidine but i hear MXP is stronger/has a warmth to it that diph apparently lacks. Not a k hole type drug but when i tried MXP i did get some nice waves of euphoria and some disso type effects but more stimmy than sedative. I think to get hole type effects the dose would be too high and potentially risky as its very new and little is known about it. It Aslo has some strange effects in higher doses that it seems to come in waves which can increase in strength each time, for multiple days (think shambles said that). Ive only tried MXP at 40mg which is fairly low compared to most other TR's iv read. I don't have much interest until more is known about it although i did enjoy the experience.
 
I suppose it was said to be the legal replacement for MXE as you can probably see if you try to research MXP online. Iv never tried MXE so can't compare but a lot of people say its not a replacement but an entirely different disso altogether with minor similarities.
 
mydrugbuddy said:
ok thanks, for that, exactly what i needed to know. I may or may not get some of these compounds in, but if MXE is better i dont really see the point.
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If you have a reliable source of MXE, don't bother.

Most people who've tried methoxphenidine and / or diphenidine have found them interesting but not at all captivating. I know I was underwhelmed.
 
Methoxetamine is a really special compound, one that stands out head and shoulders above related compounds, and even over the illegal drugs some people may turn to them to replace (I know I have found MXE (and 3-MeO-PCP, a similar, and certainly more challenging, but at least as worthy chemical) to have shown me more than ketamine has). They don't come along often. These new things didn't look interesting on paper, and it doesn't sound like they are in people. Why hamburger when could steak and all that.
 
for me part of the reason it's good to have hamburger is when I can't taste the steak any more due to overeating ;) or rather this is two different types of steak, I wouldn't call 3-MeO-PCP hamburger.

I don't find my tolerance to MXE affects how 3-MeO-PCP works for me. I've got a independent tolerance to both drugs now :| but 3-Meo-PCP was still working long after MXE gave up. I had hoped MXP would give me another fresh start but it hasn't worked out like that; I like it, it's nice, but it's nothing more than a pleasant feeling, no fireworks.
 
I was calling these phenidines hamburger, methoxetamine is like fillet steak, tender and juicy, 3-MeO-PCP is rib eye, a little tougher, but ultimately has more flavour.
 
i think dissassociatives are a bit like psychedelics really, you have to try a few to find out which you like.. for instance i never took off with mxe like others have, but i do enjoy low doses of 3meo pcp, and K if available. same with psychedelics, most ppl love 2c phens above all else, but id take a tryptamine over them any day.

still, id repeat for those who try it that MXP lasts a long time...
 
I had a tiny bit of K left from a rave (30-40mg) so took that once my 65mg dose of MXP kicked in as the MXP did very little on it's own. Wanted to start lower with the MXP as I'm usually pretty sensitive to low K doseages.

Had lots of really really weird visuals where I could see the outline of people faces in what looked like clouds of swarming golden sparkles or far off fireflies. These visuals were all just out of my visual field for most of the time, felt like I was chatting/agreeing with them. Talk about residual fucking stimulation though! Dosed at 8pm, sleep by roughly 4.
 
Sounds like a nice combo. Dissociative combo's can be crazy. Low dose DXM with low dose K gets you seriously frazzled, in the best possible way. I can imagine MXP and K being similarish since MXP is quite stimmy, though nowhere near as stimulating asDXM IMO. Nice.
 
mate told me that diph was horrible and MXP was even worse, I might give diph a go though as people on here seem to like it, I'm mainly interested in the afterglow/ potential anti-depressant properties.
 
I found using Eta to replace my opies/benzos etc tat I take on the daily with double dose (I ranged it based on methaqualone 350-400mg per dose seemed to do me good, but Ive had trouble coming across it latley since no uk vendors are sending to the us really anymore
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would you say its better than etaqualone ? (thats not particularly difficult)

I bought 1 gram of etaq and wasted the whole gram really, just working up, trying to find a safe, but enjoyable dose. I never did find the sweet spot. I bought some more afterwards but havent touched it, with the etiz and opis and sleeping pills im allready on, adding yet another downer to the mix just doesnt seem safe to me. I like getting high and taking risks, but not to the extent of potentially killing myself for the sake of getting high, which seems to be a real danger with etaq. I think all vendors are having trouble shifting the stuff, the prices are ridiculously cheap on some sites now, especially if you buy in bulk. It would be quite handy if i was actually into the stuff.
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I haven't tried diphenidine myself as am real short of money. I've read a ton of reports on the diphen thread though and I have to say it does sound very interesting. MXP was really great the two times I sampled that - so warm and colourful.
 
Can anyone tell me the difference in quality between the powder/crystal ethylphenidate? The crystal is more expensive so i presume its better somehow.
 
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