Anyone tell me whats wrong with this cycle..??

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I've copied this post from a NZ body-building web-site, The young man running it is 19yrs old, skinny 85kg Asian, who has been on gear about a year..


So my pet juice monkey has been running some EQ for the first time and I thought I would report on the results so far.

After 6 weeks of 875mg test e, 875mg EQ and 700mg tren ace where my ape saw rapid strength gains from the tren ace and weight gained as a result of dirty bulking, he decided to drop the tren for cost reasons and run the Test and EQ at 1g each. So far its been about 9 or 10 weeks and his delts are looking pretty full while strength has stagnated from stopping the tren. Not overly bloofy as he has been keeping his diet pretty clean by counting the number of nuts he eats every day. It is pretty hard for him to refrain from gorging himself with salted cashews (his favourite) but he's a soldier and soldiers aren't pussies.

His vascularity has increased as veins in forearms are visible even when relaxed and when pumped or hot the vas is poppin! Quad veins also visible at all times which wasn't like that before EQ. Blood pressure is normal and healthy so no worries there.

Apeman is happy with his gains so far but he is going to up the dose to 3g with the inclusion of deca at 1g a week in about a months time. He currently injects 4 times a week on Monday Tuesday Thursday and Friday. 500mg test on Monday and Thursday, 500mg EQ on Tuesday and Friday. He will probably work the deca in by taking 500mg on Wednesday and 500mg again on Saturday.


Taking into account the limited time the above monkey has been on AAS, and what modern science informs us about the time needed for up-regulation of the AR... Plus the differing affinitys for the AR expressed by Test, Nandrolone & Boldernone, and the resultant side effects known to be caused by running High Test..High Tren cycles....

Would anyone else like to inform Monkey how retardant and devoid of scientific logic the above cycle is....!!!!
 
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What kind of 85kg 19 year or needs 3G a week to push past a plateau lol I actually don't think one would exist.

to run with top level national competitors all you need to do is a diet and come in really lean like Michael burge did at the comp he did last year.

So when you take 3gram a week at 19 and 85kg what are you taking at 24 when your probably only not much over 100kg at the same bodyfat when you could got there with 1/3 of it.

all I try to tell people is why use more than you have too, to get the required result. so at 85kg on a gram of gear a week your levels are sky high do you think you'll get to 90kg faster using 3grams a week? I don't think you would, it's humanly impossible to just keep putting in muscle or to put it on at unheard of rates.

there are people who win bodybuilding shows and then are people who do bodybuilding shows. The two groups aren't separated by steroid dosages.

In other words you either got it or you don't. Use don't abuse. And this is a clear case of abuse, not that I care i don't know the op but it needs to be said so other dumbarses don't follow suite


Another reply:

To elaborate on my earlier criticism:

There are three factors to take into account:

i) Toms age

ii) Number of years on AAS

iii) Choice of compounds, amount & ratios

What science, my own personal experience & a couple of biochemists and pro-body-builders from GH-15 have to say:

When considering dose to gains V side effects, comparing 3-4g/week as opposed to 1-1.5g/week it depends how much AR are up-regulated through prolonged high-dose usage. Jumping up from 1.5-3-4g will not result in any more gains for most people. If you have been using gear for just over a year or less there is no way AR will have up-regulated enough to benefit from 3-4g… 1.5-2g is an absolute maximum dose for gains before AR re-saturation, all that will be achieved is more side effects..

If you have been on AAS a while (years) or if especially on hGH then running more gear may be an option, hGH allows the running of more gear for greater gains… Only if you are a veteran with extreme goals + hGH would you get away with 3-4g/week. Most people would just get the side effects…..

When selecting compounds there are a number of factors to consider: Tren, Test, Boldenone, & Deca all have differing affinity’s for the androgen receptor (AR), Trenbolone having the greatest binding affinity….. therefore it would seem logical any compound administered in conjunction with high dose Tren would have greater competition for AR. It would seem prudent to keep Test low, just enough for sexual function, mood etc so that there is no residual Test floating around your blood stream unable to bind AR aromatizing and converting to DHT via 5-alpha reductase, resulting in high Estrogen and progesterone side effects… With a Boldenone Test cycle, Test has the greater binding affinity, therefore it is suggested to run Test low 250mg and Boldenone high 600-800mg… If Test is of equal amount Boldenone has difficulty competing for AR…. with Test having precedence..

I remember being on 2.5g/week pharma gear back home and the side effects crippled me, if you aren’t experiencing any side, let alone being crippled by 3g then your gear is seriously under-dosed. JasonDB from GH-15 talked about how to tell if you gear is correctly dosed by private blood work: Basically 2000mg/week of any estered gear Test, Tren, Deca etc (all produce similar blood levels in tests) 2000mg/week should = 8-9000ng/dl……. 500mg/week should = 2-2200ng/dl….

There is information out there that negates the need for unnecessarily high dosed cycles and poor choices of compound combinations, you just need to look…!!!

My 2c……

Anyone else like to chime in..!!!!
 
I say it all the time, people need to focus on diet. Steroids won't fill the voids of a shitty diet.
 
I think he's a bit young to be on gear in the first place and that 1g total per week would be plenty. Like 1g test or 200mg test and 800mg tren or 500 test 500 deca, ... and maybe some dbol either before workouts for the entire cycle or for the last 4-6 weeks (I'm a fan of using orals once the injectables have already kicked in). And by some I mean 20-30mg, no more.
 
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I think he's a bit young to be on gear in the first place and that 1g total per week would be plenty. Like 1g test or 200mg test and 800mg tren or 500 test 500 deca, ... and maybe some dbol either before workouts for the entire cycle or for the last 4-6 weeks (I'm a fan of using orals once the injectables have already kicked in). And by some I mean 20-30mg, no more.
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Same here not many choose orals for their synergistic quality's at low dose... Interesting comment regarding Deca 500 Test 500... Older thinking was to keep Test higher than Deca... More recently there are those that propose Low Test - High Deca due to Nandrolones greater affinity for AR... Your thought pls...
 
I think the deca/test thing is very individual, kinda like the high test + low tren or high tren + low test. If you're prone to decas sexual sides you'll probably need more test (or should just take something else), if not low test high deca would be good if you're prone to side effects from too much androgens or too much e2. If neither you can run any combo you want, best experiment on yourself and see what works best (just use npp and tp or tpp (if you can find it) so you can quickly change doses)... for me 1g test is better than test + deca with the same combined dose.

And yeah... orals work so much better together with high levels of injectables than for a kick start. Maybe has something to do with most injectables having strong binding to the AR while most orals don't and work by other ways? Or maybe because they reach the liver in high concentration so it excretes more igf?
 
black53 said:
I think the deca/test thing is very individual, kinda like the high test + low tren or high tren + low test. If you're prone to decas sexual sides you'll probably need more test (or should just take something else), if not low test high deca would be good if you're prone to side effects from too much androgens or too much e2. If neither you can run any combo you want, best experiment on yourself and see what works best (just use npp and tp or tpp (if you can find it) so you can quickly change doses)... for me 1g test is better than test + deca with the same combined dose.

And yeah... orals work so much better together with high levels of injectables than for a kick start. Maybe has something to do with most injectables having strong binding to the AR while most orals don't and work by other ways? Or maybe because they reach the liver in high concentration so it excretes more igf?
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Thats interesting.. Is that a theory of yours, or have you found evidence that some low dose orals may effect levels of IGF, if so which ones..?

I've only run Test Deca at 500/400 or 1000/800... It would be interesting to try something like 250/600-800... Deca as with most compounds is a personal thing, I've always responded well.... But there are some people that just cant handle the sides from Nandrolone...
 
I won't claim it's totally my idea, but there are scientific articles about androgens increasing liver igf production and orals will hit the liver in a much higher dose than injectables... so based on that I believe there might one of the reasons (probably also the reason why they fuck with your hdl/ldl (both are produced by the liver) more than injectables). As to which ones, I'm not sure, but I bet dbol would be one of them.

I ran it just once at 600mg test + 400mg deca... wasn't bad or anything, no real sides too, but 1g test was better, cheaper and also without sides. I do like low dose test + high dose tren, works really well and has very little sides. I hated tren before, because medium test + medium tren or high test + low tren = really bad sides (can't sleep, feel sick all day, ..).
Also tried methyl tren (injectable version) and either mine was under dosed or the thing gets overhyped.

I'd like to try 1-test cyp, drol, halotestin, dimethylnandrolone and npp+tren once, but the first is hard to get in Europe, the second is out of stock whenever I order from my source, halotestin is a bit expensive, can't find dimethylnandrolone anywhere and npp+tren.. some people say you're just inviting side effects others that it's great so...

Oh and low test+high mast and drol + dbol at the same time. First to see if the claims of it being tren light at high doses are true, second because there's supposedly some synergy between them.
 
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Too often do you see Test bumped up high when combined at high dose with other compounds of greater AR binding affinity (Tren)..

I'm of the opinion If Tren is high, having the greater AR binding affinity than Test, then Test should be lowered to TRT amounts just enough to retain sexual function and mood etc..
My theory is: Tren will have preference at AR, with Test facing the greater competition, therefore there would be greater amounts of Test in blood plasma unable to bind AR, would have greater time exposed to aromatase and 5-alpha reductase, leaving the user at greater risk of Estrogen, Progesteron, prolactin sides and prostate issues..

your thought pls...
 
Honestly, I don't know why low test/high tren usually has less side effects than the other way around. I don't think your theory is the whole story, because other compounds with high binding affinities can be used with high test and because I don't think you're saturating your androgen receptors anyway (if we're talking about sane doses). Perhaps there are some bad interactions between tests non-AR mediated effects and tren that are specific to those two compounds?
 
Could be worse, he could be doing 10mg methyl tren + 200mg drol on top of everything else :)
 
Dirtybulking.

19.

Skinny.

Steroid newbie

3 grams of gear

Gorges on salted nuts

Animal abuse

I will be back later tonight with detailed replies. Holy fuck this ape faggot really rustled my jimmies with his faggotry. I cannot stand these little teen faggots running grams of gear. When will they learn? Holy fuck this pissed me off.
 
-Guido- said:
Dirtybulking.

19.

Skinny.

Steroid newbie

3 grams of gear

Gorges on salted nuts

Animal abuse

I will be back later tonight with detailed replies. Holy fuck this ape faggot really rustled my jimmies with his faggotry. I cannot stand these little teen faggots running grams of gear. When will they learn? Holy fuck this pissed me off.
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Guido..... You have a way with words...Lol ... Trying not to piss myself...
 
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My experience with tren: Imagine that your asshole is stuffed with a huge log. Then suddenly you remove it and attempt to replace it with a few fingers. It wont feel as good because your anus is all stretched out from the log. What I'm trying to say is that after my tren cycle I never managed to get back where I was without tren :(
 
bloody hell I missed a lot while away lol. If he makes it to a second cycle it would be interesting to see what that one looks like. And please monkeys hump every thing as is for the love of god do not boost their libido with test.
 
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