First time LSD big dose?

[Letshavefun]

Hey there, I'm new on this site. Nice to meet you all!
Swim has been extremely interested in psychedelics for the past few years, not for fun, for the experience, they want to "break through". They had an idea. Instead of doing LSD-25 multiple times, they would like to experience one very large dose. They are thinking either 1mg if they can find good quality stuff, or a 10 strip. They have done relatively careful planning, and though they don't have experience with psychedelics, the have experience with blow, weed, speed, painkillers, and LOTS with inhalants (mainly propane and nitrous). They were wondering if this would be a bad idea? What to warn against? Will LSD-25 have any reaction to the 10mg daily Prozac they are on?
Thanks guys. This is much appreciated.

 

[thefanod]

Prozac will make it less powerful and somewhat depressed. If your going to do this do 1 tab one week 2 the second 3 the third and finish off the rest on the fourth week.. i mean even that is a bit scary. The most i've ever done is 3 blotter papers and i was tripping for 12 hours and i was experienced with 5-meo-dmt. Look dont do lsd as your first psychedelic.. thats just asking for trouble especially at 10 tabs.. Here is an idea. Try other psy's first like Lsa or even dissociates like mxe to help prepare yourself for a 12 hour ride through a unknown world.
1. Prozac will make the ride less powerful
2. NO DO NOT DO A 10 STRIP ON YOUR FIRST TIME!!! >.<
3. Try other psy's first to be more prepared if you wanna do the 10 strip (DON'T!!! >.<)
4. You huffed propane...? ._.

 

[Cartesia]

Take it easy cowboy.

I took acid at a low dose once, then took a heroic dose... I was not capable of dealing with that shit.

It's a bit like saying you want to ride a motorbike down a cliff face through a forest instead of riding a pushbike down the street, when you've never ridden any kind of bike before. Trust me, you won't get bored or feel like you're not going anywhere with a normal dose of acid.

 

[Letshavefun]

Alright I figured it might be worth a shot but I think I'll start with lsa, I have about 10000 morning glory seeds from the plants in my backyard... Thanks for the feedback guys!

 

[dan k]

1. do not eat a ten strip untill you have had at least a few trips under your belt
2. 1mg would be about a ten strip
3. 250ug is more than enough for a breakthrough for a first timer
3. make sure you are getting legitimate lsd, invest in an ehrlich reagent
4. dont take the prozac that day or the day before
5. propane???

 

[Letshavefun]

Refer to my other thread about the propane.. I am not worried about the legitimacy of the LSD, i have a very good trusted source,as for the prozac, I guess that would work!

 

[rollonsafely]

Even trusted sources have to make back their money if the spend it all on bunk. The only person you should trust is you. If you arent testing your stuff yourself then you are asking for trouble. It may be lsd this time and the next time but eventually you will be sold something bad, its just a matter of time. Why not start practicing safety habits now?

 

[Letshavefun]

This source is not in it for money, he is a very good friend and has been for almost my whole life.

 

[Solipsis]

Welcome to BL / PD!

Don't do 1 mg or a ten-strip for your first time, if you never tripped before you are not in a position to judge that it is better and more grand or epic to experience that instead of something lesser. Furthermore why think that you will only trip once and want to make it count?
For very experienced trippers high doses like this may be considered to add something special but for the unexperienced it is only very likely to produce an experience you can't keep up with at all, it is likely to be very hard to process. Don't be arrogant to think that that is something worthy and something you want.
200-400 ug is already a high enough dose to experience strong warping effects and that too would probably be too much. Start with 100-200 ug or no more than 2 hits if you want to skip the regular most careful, appropriate and responsible approach.

But still be sensible and be reasonable.

If you don't have a good argument against this that should tell you you are in the wrong. If you have please let's hear it.

Also don't combine it with anything for your first time, it is wild and unpredictable enough as it is for your first time if you are doing a full dose.
Prozac (even if you stop the day before) can have influence and it can make the experience weaker, stronger or more unpleasant. I've heard all of those reported with SSRI's and it simply seems unpredictable and impossible to tell. Which is even more reason to take it easy if you don't want to run serious risks.

Other people seem to be trying to tell you similar things here ^^ but more briefly. It is always good to listen to the advice of others who have experience with the thing you are asking about, even if a good friend of yours isn't warning you about the same things. That friend may have the very best intentions but maybe has not learned about what is safe and what is not.

Trust me on this - you can always do a higher dose a next time but you can't take it back if you make a mistake. That is a rule of thumb with drugs. I hope you will take a proper dose and I hope that you have a great time.

(I don't think propane is reactive but if nothing else I guess it dries out your lungs? Anyway it is probably not safe - I will refer to your other thread possibly)

 

[rollonsafely]

This source is not in it for money, he is a very good friend and has been for almost my whole life.

Oh i forgot, good people are immune to getting bad drugs and unknowingly selling it expecting it to be LSD. Even the best of people who are "not in it for money" make mistakes.

 

[.:Holy::Toast:.]

Do not do this oh god please don't do this.
LSD lasts a very long time, and a bad trip can make your 4-5 hour peak feel like 20.
With no psychedelic experience you have absolutely no idea what you'd be getting yourself in to.
Doses like that are best left to much more experienced psychonauts, and even with a very experienced tripper, results would still be unpredictable.
Take a low dose, enjoy the shit out of it, and then you'll realize how unnecessary it would have been to down a ten strip

 

[Out_front]

After taking LSD twice and shrooms once, my pet parakeet suffered from an acute case of psychedelic hubris. He thought because he had done lots of research about LSD, read trip reports and several books about the experience and the culture that he would be able to handle a much higher dose. By no means was this trip a bad trip, in fact it was perhaps one of the most elucidating and beautiful experiences of his little birdy life, nevertheless it was most definitely overwhelming for a large portion (roughly 4 hours) of the trip-- breathing had become so foreign a concept that he had no idea what was causing his chest to move up and down and was completely flummoxed and unable to move. Also, aside from the fact that a heroic dose LSD trip will be overwhelming for someone who is inexperienced, my parakeet finds it rather doubtful that SWIY, after experiencing the true majesty of the LSD experience, will never want to trip again. Like everyone above, it is better to work one's way toward a heroic dose, rather than start with a heroic dose.

 

[Letshavefun]

Alright, so I'm going to do some LSA extracted from morning glory seeds first, not sure on dosage yet. And I will take your advice about the acid, build some knowledge and experience with psychedelics first. What would you guys recommend? (I can't do shrooms, when I did I had an allergic reaction)

 

[hypnagogic]

I'd suggest LSD over LSA for a first psychedelic trip. Use an Ehrlich's kit to get a better idea of what you're taking and start with a low dose. My first trip was with LSD and I'm sure I would have been at least a little put off if I had to deal with the discomfort of an LSA come up my first time.

 

[Letshavefun]

Oh trust me, propane has some pretty noticeable effects... And no, I will certainly take your suggestion, no 10 strips for me

 

[Solipsis]

LSA seeds cannot really be compared with LSD. Yes they are both psychedelics and yes the chemicals are similar, but the experiences are in my opinion not so similar and having experience with one of them doesn't teach you that much about the other. I would still recommend you to do it if the dose of LSA seeds is reasonable because any introductory experiences with psychedelics are good, but after that if you want to take LSD I still advise the same thing which is that you start with a low to normal dose of it.
Personally I've taken dozens of different psychedelics in various doses and when I start with one that is new to me I first take a light dose and then see how I can go further step by step.

What allergic reaction to mushrooms did you have, I'm curious?

As for the dosage recommended with morning glories, we have a central MGS seeds thread here:
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/...MGS-LSA-Thread-Part-3-Fluffy-Dreams-Continued

And there is an erowid page here:
http://www.erowid.org/plants/morning_glory/morning_glory_dose.shtml

Do some solid reading on whatever you plan embarking on (including forum threads, trip reports and info vaults where things like dosage and duration and stuff like that are listed), and in general use the Psychedelic Index for a menu/list of centralized topics in the psychedelics forum. And use the Beginner's FAQ to get a feel for the different steps in getting acquainted with psychedelics and how you can use our message board to your advantage.

Also guys (out_front lookin at you ) talking about parakeets or SWIM or SWIY are not needed and are actually not allowed on this forum. Forget what you think you know about that, except that other sites have the opposite policy because they are apparently paranoid and ignorant?

safe journeys and be sure to ask away

 

[Letshavefun]

My airways closed and I apparently went into anaphylactic shock, I really don't remember anything except for waking up in the hospital. As for a first trip, what would you guys recommend as a first experience?

 

[Solipsis]

Damn sorry to hear that. I hope for you it wasn't the tryptamines in the shrooms but something else.

We don't allow recommending drugs like that on the forum, too bad buddy Please read the rules. Thnxx

The point wasn't that LSD is a poor choice to begin with, just to take it very easy. As for what other psychedelics you can choose, it depends on what you are looking for and it is best that you just read around about different substances and don't be in a hurry. Like I said use the Psychedelic Index (link below in my signature), and get acquainted. At the bottom there are threads about topics, not focused on substances but on properties and a lot of other things. That might be of use to you but you have to make your own choices.
Some psychedelics appear to be lighter for most people and they tend to be more forgiving which makes it better suited for beginners. Other psychedelics are very intense qualitatively and there isn't much wiggle room at all. And there are also psychedelics which produce very rich experiences but it may take a more experienced person to take it in the right direction and not get heavy body loads or adverse reactions from improper preparations or combinations etc.
In that sense there is a tool for every level and I feel it is a mistake to go for the jackpot right away. Firstly: it would be ignoring that milder psychedelics can still be tearjerkingly wonderful and intense especially if you are new to it, secondly: heavier duty experiences demand something from a person and you cannot bluff your way past that, and thirdly: if you try to go fast the fun might be over more quickly, you might end up with harmful experiences that give you a bad relationship with psychedelics as a whole (which sucks as a basis for further experiments).

 

[Letshavefun]

I wonder if there is a way to test if I am allergic to tryptamines? maybe take a tiny bit of acid, below threshold, and be ready to stab myself with an epi pen?

 

[pmoseman]

Ya. My experience seems to validate the claim that previous LSD use makes it easier to experience the white light. Sadly though it was a rather troubling experience. It all seemed to unfold by itself and that is when the voices started. I also had amnesia, some very realistic hallucinations, and just had to try not to think because all my thoughts were fantasies and I did not feel safe having them. Inward versus outward spirals, naming myself, casting spells, That sort of crap.
A blank state of mind was a welcome change to the rambling thoughts, that was what I was after since I was a child, but it made me feel helpless, being unable to think on my own or really feel emotions. It is difficult to make sense of it all. I think a person should be aware, I have heard it explained various ways. I see it now as a step backwards into a primitive sort of mind. The delusions must have really started after a heavy dose of LSD. To me it seems like a mutiny.
Personally, I feel better now than I ever had before, faculties are back at normal. It was a fairly hard choice to remain drug free. Kind of hard to explain why, but my thinking was fucked up. Of course I did not stop 100%, still smoked weed, drank beer, but those occasional uses of pot made me start to go insane again. I decided the beer was not really helping either. Constantly hallucinating is a bitch to sort out and a hard fight to win.
Of course it was wise to continue living and am happy about that choice. The worse part is I never liked the drugs a whole helluva lot. They could be a lot of fun if you had no consequences to worry about. Other fun things do not have those kind of consequences.