Hey, I just moved from Florida out to so cal, I've had an opiate habit the last six years switched to IV about 6 months ago. In Fl I was primarily using Dilaudid Ivd and occasional Oxy. Now I'm on the west coast I was sober for a bit, now I'm using tar, I'm getting pain while injecting. I'm using my regular sites, registering, reregistering halfway through and there are no after bumps or lumps like from a missed shot. Occasionally a histamine reaction but no correlation with the pain. I'm also using fresh rigs for every shot. I was thinking maybe I'm not waiting long enough for the solution to cool down all the way? I'm waiting a couple minutes after heating it to do the shot. Should I wait longer or is it something else? I've heard tar was rough on the veins but it seems odd to me. After I'm done depressing the plunger the pain fades a few seconds after and the rush and blissful high come right along.
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Heroin Pain when I'm shooting up
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shroomster
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That's definitely strange. It sounds like you know how to inject, and are injecting properly. Try cooling the product down pre injection and let us know how that works out for ya. Also. note that, although it's extremely common, you don't need to heat your product. The active ingredient is water solube - all the black spotty crap that's left behind is stuff you don't want in your body. Stir vigorously and be patient. I say this, but I personally heat bth and even meth in the cooker because I'm impatient.
Mr.Scagnattie
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Do not cook your shots. Heroin is water soluble by itself, all you're doing by cooking it is melting the cuts into your mix. It doesn't kill any bacteria either cooking it.
If you are feeling pain when IV'ing, you must be missing, at least a little bit. Leaky vein, wrong angle, poor technique, etc.
Have you tried different veins and still experience the same feeling? Is it like a sharp, burning pain?
If you are feeling pain when IV'ing, you must be missing, at least a little bit. Leaky vein, wrong angle, poor technique, etc.
Have you tried different veins and still experience the same feeling? Is it like a sharp, burning pain?
blackjesus
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you may be injectng in an artery when you are thinking your in a vein, you will notice a bright red blood as oppose to the deep blue/red/black blood from a vein, also when i push into an artery it burns like hell
Any hives or itchy redness that forms after you shoot, does not have to be at the injection sight but it usually close... did you check the PH of your shot ever?
blackjesus
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i know this was directed at the OP but ive never heard of checking the PH, does one do this with simple litmus strip like in high school chem lab? Also if checking the ph of a substance such as tar what does a low or high measurement indicate? and is that any different for white dope?
missmeyet?
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I am originally from FLorida also and now live on the Western side of the US. I use white powder too but more frequently (since it is all you can get locally on this side of the US) I use BTH or the brown powder that is BTH just powdered out. I never, ever, ever heat a shot with any of those kinds, not even once.
Everyone above is correct, the active ingredient you want (H) is completely and easily soluble in cold water. If it is BTH I just take the plunger of clean syringe and not only stir it vigorously as suggested I also use that to squish it up really well. You may still have some small peices of stuff in the water but the heroin has dissolved out of this..what you have left is the "junk", the cut. By heating the shot you are melting down all the really bad stuff that you dont want to inject in your body and allowing it to be in a form that passes right through your filter and into you. This is especially true if you have not allowed it to cool 110% before you run it through a filter, which is obviously a possibility since you think they may still be too warm. At least if it is cooled down completely before you put it through a filter then some of it is solidifying back and will get caught in the filter. Another thing is, it is absolutely terrible for your veins for you to be putting a solution in there that is not 100% cool, you will do all kinds of horrible damage to your veins very quickly. In the immediate time, you are causing a lot of inflammation in them (and you will actually burn them just like you can your skin which is bad news) and a lot of scarring in them in the long term.
I also use a 22 micron filter each and every time I shoot BTH. Even after running the solution through a cotton filter twice you should see all the "gook" and junk that gets in the micron filter..makes me cringe to think about all of that stuff going into your body...I know that so many find it a pain in the ass to obtain and use micron filters but if they could see what all is in mine from BTH and still cared even a tiny bit about their health and their body they would never do it without it again. You can get them on the internet, some needle exchanges have them I beleive also. I just bought a box on Amazon for very cheap.
As far as the burning, even though you can see that your are still in the vein you may have poke a hole in the vein on the other side causing some solution to leak, or even just a little movement of the needle can cause damage around the site (inside, where the needle is entering the vein) allowing some solution to leak out there. IME, it is usually something like that. You may also just be really sensitive to it and just the little amount that is on the needle could be causing you some pain. I sometimes also get pretty bad histamine reactions (and not just from H but mosquito bites cause the exact same reaction in me..Im just really sensitive) at the site of injection but also all the way up the vein. Along the path of the vein will sometimes get that puffiness and a lot of redness. The itching is so intense for a few moments for me that it is actually painful..so I guess it could be something like that.
Sorry for the long rant..just had gotten done explaining almost same thing to a friend in real life which is probably what caused me to go on and on here. Some people are just so hard headed...but once I showed her the micron filter with all that nastiness in it I think I finally got through just a little.
Oh and also, just remember that pain in your body is almost always an indication that you are doing some type of damage or harming it. Please heed that and just be as careful as possible. One or two times of it probably (maybe) wont result in any long term consequences, but continued use most definitely will.
Everyone above is correct, the active ingredient you want (H) is completely and easily soluble in cold water. If it is BTH I just take the plunger of clean syringe and not only stir it vigorously as suggested I also use that to squish it up really well. You may still have some small peices of stuff in the water but the heroin has dissolved out of this..what you have left is the "junk", the cut. By heating the shot you are melting down all the really bad stuff that you dont want to inject in your body and allowing it to be in a form that passes right through your filter and into you. This is especially true if you have not allowed it to cool 110% before you run it through a filter, which is obviously a possibility since you think they may still be too warm. At least if it is cooled down completely before you put it through a filter then some of it is solidifying back and will get caught in the filter. Another thing is, it is absolutely terrible for your veins for you to be putting a solution in there that is not 100% cool, you will do all kinds of horrible damage to your veins very quickly. In the immediate time, you are causing a lot of inflammation in them (and you will actually burn them just like you can your skin which is bad news) and a lot of scarring in them in the long term.
I also use a 22 micron filter each and every time I shoot BTH. Even after running the solution through a cotton filter twice you should see all the "gook" and junk that gets in the micron filter..makes me cringe to think about all of that stuff going into your body...I know that so many find it a pain in the ass to obtain and use micron filters but if they could see what all is in mine from BTH and still cared even a tiny bit about their health and their body they would never do it without it again. You can get them on the internet, some needle exchanges have them I beleive also. I just bought a box on Amazon for very cheap.
As far as the burning, even though you can see that your are still in the vein you may have poke a hole in the vein on the other side causing some solution to leak, or even just a little movement of the needle can cause damage around the site (inside, where the needle is entering the vein) allowing some solution to leak out there. IME, it is usually something like that. You may also just be really sensitive to it and just the little amount that is on the needle could be causing you some pain. I sometimes also get pretty bad histamine reactions (and not just from H but mosquito bites cause the exact same reaction in me..Im just really sensitive) at the site of injection but also all the way up the vein. Along the path of the vein will sometimes get that puffiness and a lot of redness. The itching is so intense for a few moments for me that it is actually painful..so I guess it could be something like that.
Sorry for the long rant..just had gotten done explaining almost same thing to a friend in real life which is probably what caused me to go on and on here. Some people are just so hard headed...but once I showed her the micron filter with all that nastiness in it I think I finally got through just a little.
Oh and also, just remember that pain in your body is almost always an indication that you are doing some type of damage or harming it. Please heed that and just be as careful as possible. One or two times of it probably (maybe) wont result in any long term consequences, but continued use most definitely will.
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depending on the ph of the solution it is often beneficial to add citric acid to a shot of brown herion.. this also may be beneficial to add to tar in order to make it more soluble without heating it. I assume this could also dissolve certain cuts as well though.
"Citric acid is commonly used as a buffer to increase the solubility of brown heroin." >source<
I'm not sure this is the case i just know that when I would shoot brown without clearing it with acid I would usually get a painful shot.
The redness and hives associated with a pain that radiates up the vessel being used can mean an allergic reaction.. if this continues it could get worse and become a severe allergic reaction if the body get sensitive enough.
+1
I'm hitting the same veins I always have so I doubt it is an artery, I'm taking a break for a week or so. Next time I'll try switching up injection site also noted ill no longer heat my shots up. Thanks for the replies guy as I'm taking a break I have no way to test out the different theories. I'll keep everyone updated though.
Mr.Scagnattie
Bluelighter
^^
Yeah you probably damaged the vein to the degree where parts of your shot are leaking out, or it's becoming easier to slip out of the vein a little, which is why you feeling pain when IV'ing.
You should never just continue to use the same spot to inject. Rotate your sites and you'll avoid problems like this in the future.
Yeah you probably damaged the vein to the degree where parts of your shot are leaking out, or it's becoming easier to slip out of the vein a little, which is why you feeling pain when IV'ing.
You should never just continue to use the same spot to inject. Rotate your sites and you'll avoid problems like this in the future.
Tutned out to be a couple leaky viens. Though I was rotating before hand I'm now using more iv sites. The pain has stopped since I switched sites. The only difference in my preparation is that I stopped heating the solution because many of you said it releases the cuts into the solution. I did test the new sites with both heated and cwe shots to test my previous theory about my shots being "hot"and not waiting long enough for it too cool causing the pain when slamming. It made no difference once I got away from the leaky veins. Thanks for all the responses.