Actually getting of subutex is fairly straightforward. When you have to finally go through cold turkey at the end it is fairly easy compared to other opiates. The cravings for it are not as high as heroin or even codeine. IMO. Its just something about subutex it does not create any real cravings in me, or others. Once clean the cravings for codeine could be very intense, but I doubt for subutex, as OP said there is that certain x factor for codeine.
Its funny I see people make such negative statements about opiate withdrawal and it really affects people as they get even more scared of the 'detox programme'.
And what's with the 'if you were truly an addict' snobbery, just leave it out as its exactly what OP hates, and I myself hate.
This.
Obviously if you've been put on Subuxone to get away from a codeine addiction you are now addicted to Suboxone instead - that's the whole point of opioid replacement treatment. It wouldn't work otherwise. But the point about addiction vs dependence is well made. Allein mentions being on (legitimately scripted after an injury) morphine and codeine at various times recently and not feeling addicted - technically he will be (sorry to talk about you without talking to you for a moment, Allein
) but it's all about the mental side. I said a similar thing last night in a thread (cos it's true) - addiction is partly physical, of course, but is
mostly mental. If codeine is your DOC (Drug Of Choice) then that is the thing you are mentally addicted to - the bupe is just covering the physical aspects while you deal with whatever issues there may be that have been feeding into keeping you addicted.
And telling somebody that they surely have 2-3 months of hell to look forward to is a bit irresponsible when you have no way of knowing this. It certainly wasn't the case for me and plenty other peeps I know who got on well enough with bupe to have used it for a full detox. I was just dandy after a week of w/d and I was taking part in some bizzarro medical trial at the time which massively increased w/d symptoms (yeah, they didn't mention that being a possibility when I agreed to it, and thankfully that particularly stupid idea for a w/d scheme never went any further - y'all can thank me later for saving yous from a fate worse than death
). I can honestly say that coming off bupe was, basically, a piece of piss. Took time but it was never all that hard compared to any other rattle I've done - even codeine was worse physically in some ways.
Incidentally, for those concerned with the dose involved, I also recently got switched from my codeine script to a bupe script at... 12mg/day (which I actually argued the doc down from the 16mg/day he initially wanted). It's a Subbiez thing. Docs like to have people around that kinda level cos you need that much to block cravings for other opioids. It's not that less won't take away the physical w/d stuff so much as it's not enough (for most) to feel un-addicted (yes that is an ugly word) enough to just not have to think about wanting to get fukked all the time.
Good luck with the bupe, Evel
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