Opioids I need help, badly...

[Tommyboy]

Try some herbal tea. It can be relaxing and you can make a healthy habit out of steeping then sipping on a nice cup of tea at night.

 

[teological]

Try some herbal tea. It can be relaxing and you can make a healthy habit out of steeping then sipping on a nice cup of tea at night.

Tommy, is there any that you would recommend? Any that can sedate and are legal?

Also, as I mentioned before, I am looking forward to those new anti-energy drinks once they start to hit supermarket shelves/corner stores...anyone try them?

 

[Eveleivibe]

Just be careful, Teological. Not preaching at you n believe me I know where you're coming from as does any addict. But no one is immune from addiction. The only way to do that is by not taking drugs at all. Tommy is right, herbal teas are good at relaxing people. I drink camomile tea every night. There again it's not for everyone. Like I said I, nor anyone else, can tell you not to take drugs just be careful.

Evey

 

[RVAbrowntownRVA]

It gets worse...stop now or toughen up.

 

[footscrazy]

Tommy, is there any that you would recommend? Any that can sedate and are legal?

Also, as I mentioned before, I am looking forward to those new anti-energy drinks once they start to hit supermarket shelves/corner stores...anyone try them?

Damiana and passionflower are two herbal teas with relaxing properties. They're both very mild, definitely, but I like damiana. I've never seen damiana on sale in Aus but you can buy it online easily and as far as I'm aware it's not illegal. Kava is something else you could consider - you can get it in pill form in supplement shops here and that also has mild relaxing, sedating properties.

I've tried one of the relaxing energy drinks - can't remember the brand but it was 'calm in a can'. Pretty sure it contained passionflower as one of the ingredients. I didn't find it did anything but my benchmark for drug effects is pretty high - I really only appreciate getting wrecked, so you might find it more beneficial.

As for methadone I honestly reckon you'd be better off staying with your 25-35mg oxy if that's working for you and you're not looking to get off opioids. Methadone would raise your tolerance, and it seems a shame to rope yourself in to long, drawn out methadone withdrawals, especially if you don't get bad withdrawals now. You'd have to use a lot more than 25-35mg of oxy if you ever wanted to get high on that again too. Plus, putting it on your medical record that you're a drug abuser can have consequences for the rest of your life. Just things to consider before going down that route. I'm on suboxone and I can't say getting some effects from my daily dose if I was on methadone isn't appealing, but suboxone is a lot more manageable in the sense it's tablets rather than a liquid - meaning it's much more easily stored and taken on trips. It's not really feasible for me to store methadone takeaways in the fridge without my housemates finding out my dirty secret - so getting some tabs I can stick in my bottom drawer is a lot easier to manage. Not to mention going to pick up your dose every day starts to feel like a real fuck around, and IME, those on methadone get less takeaways and less quickly than those on sub.

 

[teological]

Damiana and passionflower are two herbal teas with relaxing properties. They're both very mild, definitely, but I like damiana. I've never seen damiana on sale in Aus but you can buy it online easily and as far as I'm aware it's not illegal. Kava is something else you could consider - you can get it in pill form in supplement shops here and that also has mild relaxing, sedating properties.

As for methadone I honestly reckon you'd be better off staying with your 25-35mg oxy if that's working for you and you're not looking to get off opioids. Methadone would raise your tolerance, and it seems a shame to rope yourself in to long, drawn out methadone withdrawals, especially if you don't get bad withdrawals now.

Hey Footscrazy, thanks for your tip. I will take a look with regards to the herbal tea. I have never been able to locate fresh Kava plant matter, as I reckon I would like it. I have bought the tablets from a chemist that apparently contain the kava-tones, they did jack shit. In the end I took the entire bottle at once, and it still did nothing...so that seems to be some sort of scam. It was an expensive brand too.

Yeah, I do actually get high from the 35mg Oxy, but I would much rather use something else that is not an opiate/illegal on a daily basis and try to use opiates occasionally, like I used to. The Methadone, I am considering as I become a legal user, but again am showing restraint due to the problems you listed and more...I did not know the Methadone actually gets you high during MMT, which is why I was not interested to begin with. Also, to get on MMT, do I have to prove that I am abusing opiates? Like do they do a drug test to see my level of use? Would 30mg of Oxy a day let me become an eligible contender for MMT?

With regards to your benchmarks of drug effects, I know exactly where you are coming from as I am the same...thanks for your tips, I always find your posts helpful with regards to meditation and looking at your problems from a third person objectified view...right now I know I am severely addicted to substances on a psychological level and really need to find something less damaging to my social life...

 

[bukweat]

Unfortunately unless you can begin a taper and self-detox your habit will only get worse, with all that brings. Try NA it helps don't get hung up on the god-thing, only recovery,
If you do decide to continue using be prepared to lose famly, friends, self-respect, and possibly your freedom.
You can kick this 5-7 days and the phys. shite is mostly done . Then the hard work of fixing what's between your ears. Peace on you.

 

[fizzymk]

Hey Footscrazy, thanks for your tip. I will take a look with regards to the herbal tea. I have never been able to locate fresh Kava plant matter, as I reckon I would like it. I have bought the tablets from a chemist that apparently contain the kava-tones, they did jack shit. In the end I took the entire bottle at once, and it still did nothing...so that seems to be some sort of scam. It was an expensive brand too.

Yeah, I do actually get high from the 35mg Oxy, but I would much rather use something else that is not an opiate/illegal on a daily basis and try to use opiates occasionally, like I used to. The Methadone, I am considering as I become a legal user, but again am showing restraint due to the problems you listed and more...I did not know the Methadone actually gets you high during MMT, which is why I was not interested to begin with. Also, to get on MMT, do I have to prove that I am abusing opiates? Like do they do a drug test to see my level of use? Would 30mg of Oxy a day let me become an eligible contender for MMT?

With regards to your benchmarks of drug effects, I know exactly where you are coming from as I am the same...thanks for your tips, I always find your posts helpful with regards to meditation and looking at your problems from a third person objectified view...right now I know I am severely addicted to substances on a psychological level and really need to find something less damaging to my social life...

At the MMT clinics here, you do have to piss dirty in order to get accepted and start receiving methadone. As of the past couple years, methadone is crazy regulated, more so than any other drug Ive seen since oxy80s.

 

[fizzymk]

Unfortunately unless you can begin a taper and self-detox your habit will only get worse, with all that brings. Try NA it helps don't get hung up on the god-thing, only recovery,
If you do decide to continue using be prepared to lose famly, friends, self-respect, and possibly your freedom.
You can kick this 5-7 days and the phys. shite is mostly done . Then the hard work of fixing what's between your ears. Peace on you.

That is definitely not true concerning methadone, 5-7 days into wds, are when it STARTS getting really tough. This is the problem with coming off methadone, the wds only get worse and worse each day, not better by each day, (which would seem logical), and people have to go thru this HELL for 3-4 weeks, most cannot make it that long, with those level of wds and end up doing some other drug to get a break from wds, only to end up right back in the rut.

 

[teological]

Fuck sometimes I really wish I never messed with this opiate shit

 

[fizzymk]

Fuck sometimes I really wish I never messed with this opiate shit

My thoughts exactly!!

I keep wondering when someone will come up with some other synthetic drug that mimics opiates, but not with all the bad shit, it is 2013, and we are supposed to have all this advanced medical research going on, they came up with fake pot, why cant someone create a pill or substance that gives opiate addicts the feeling we crave without the negative shit that comes with it? Seems like anything can be created chemically...??

 

[teological]

Well, it is technically illegal without a prescription. If it was legal to use on a recreation level, I think we would start to see more innovations to make $$.

 

[BadMonkey]

I've little to no sympathy for you OP.

You're recreationally using drugs for fun, you don't want to use opioids or benzo's so you're asking what else there is on the market that you can get high on.

Addiction is a serious disease. You are not an addict. You're just mucking about with drugs to get high and making it out as if you have a problem.

My advice? Get a hobby and grow up.

Oh, he's an addict by now, I'm sure.

 

[Eveleivibe]

ok I see I'm subscribed to this thread because it's come up on my subscribed list. I can't find my post n have had a drink so, apart from the first page, am looking no further.

Teological, if you are around, how are you doing now???
Addiction changes our thinking and makes us think in ways that we would not normally think. So you'll get no judgement from me, just asking how you are doing and if there's any help that we can give you?

Rybee - that post was a little harsh, not going at you. But this is a drug site and a harm reduction site. People are going to take drugs, and whether they are an addict or not, we are going to help and advise them to use in the least harmful way. Not judging or going at you but let's not be so hard on people, eh?! Because we really don't know them or their situation. All we know of them are there posts.

Take care,
Evey

 

[Blacksheepannie]

I also need some help.

Oh, he's an addict by now, I'm sure.

This is my first post so please excuse any errors. I've been on methadone 31 years just started suboxone 2 days ago. I hate it so far and so want something else. Any hope or will the nausea pass with time?

 

[TheLostBoys]

I feel you OP......I know how you feel when st home & nothing to do. Even when you have something to do, boredom sets in, that's where opiates enter the scene & relieve boredom & make life more enjoyable.

Trying to have your cake & eat it too.......well in the opiate world it just isn't so.

If you continue with opiates, just try & keep your tolerance low as possible for as long as possible.