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Fentanyl in Europe - is it spreading?

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I was just reading about fentanyl in Estonia:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17524945

The only other place that seems to have also spates is Norway. I read of 20 deaths in Tromsø. I looked at Sweden and their seemed far less. I wondered if any members of these countries could give more insight?


The fact that users, once hooked on fentanyl, found that heroin had no effect on them - they had to get more fentanyl to keep well. Looks like a 1-way street.
 
I've been using opioids, mainly oral morphine, for 12 months for genuine pain relief for a slipped spinal disc so am fairly tolerant to them, they worked for pain relief but I couldn't really get high off of them anymore. Just swapped over to Fentanyl patches and I'm high as a kite on them at the dose instructed by my doc, cannot believe how potent it is. No wonder it makes heroin look elementary.
 
Oral morphine sucks on so many levels. As long as your sticking to the doctors instructions, I'm glad they make you feel better. I was on fentanyl for 18 months a dacade ago. Stopping took 6 weeks (I was on a very high dose) and was done simply by chopping up parts of patches. The doctor (also a friend) told me just to use a ruler and reduce in a curve (go slower, the lower) and I felt achy and my guts were off but it wasn't a problem. I got no high, personally.

Back to the original thing... are people in these Nordic countries hearing of fentanyl turning up? Estonia has a problem for which methadone & buprenorphine are of little utility. Someone told me that people have worked up to 200mg/day habits when they had access to large amounts and that the withdrawal doesn't seem to end even after a year; like their body was permanently changed.
 
It's spreading like the bad rash in my pants lol, can't remember the last time drug use didn't stop escalating or getting further around the world.

I mean shieeeeet tyrone, as long as shit like krokodil will spread across the world then anything has the power to.

Especially the AIDS.

Clubcard I almost read that as 200mg fent, good lord!
 
No, I MEAN 200mg per day! That would be 72 hits of 2.75mg every 20 minutes night and day. The guys were at a university in the US and were making up 1-2oz batches periodically. SNIP

Just odd that Estonia has a HUGE problem and Norway has pockets.
 
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There have been several deaths from overdoses from Fentanyl this year here in Finland too.

I don't have much insight in opiates but since Heroin is almost non-existent here opiate users use other opiates to a much bigger degree than in Central Europe (applies to Sweden too).
 
Rybee said:
I've been using opioids, mainly oral morphine, for 12 months for genuine pain relief for a slipped spinal disc so am fairly tolerant to them, they worked for pain relief but I couldn't really get high off of them anymore. Just swapped over to Fentanyl patches and I'm high as a kite on them at the dose instructed by my doc, cannot believe how potent it is. No wonder it makes heroin look elementary.
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Fentanyl is an extremely deadly opioid. Please do not underestimate it because you will die if you don't give it a great deal of respect.
 
I would never touch unprescribed fentanyl but I appreciate your concern brutus. It seems like, with abuse it's not just the horrific OD risk but also the rapid increase in dose required to get high & then seemingly, never-ending withdrawal symptoms seen in people who got those HUGE habits. A friend told me that the N-phenylethyl makes fentanyl bind at an extra site of the receptor hence potency BUT none of the drugs used to treat withdrawal touch that site so symptoms persist.

Thank you for the insight Cyanoide.

Estonia is a country of 1.3 million souls and the articles claim that the only opioid on the street IS fentanyl. If that is true, it's got to be organized crime on a huge scale.
 
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I would never touch unprescribed fentanyl but I appreciate your concern brutus. It seems like, with abuse it's not just the horrific OD risk but also the rapid increase in dose required to get high & then seemingly, never-ending withdrawal symptoms seen in people who got those HUGE habits. A friend told me that the N-phenylethyl makes fentanyl bind at an extra site of the receptor hence potency BUT none of the drugs used to treat withdrawal touch that site so symptoms persist.

Thank you for the insight Cyanoide.

Estonia is a country of 1.3 million souls and the articles claim that the only opioid on the street IS fentanyl. If that is true, it's got to be organized crime on a huge scale.
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Organized crime in Estonia is mostly Russian and Lithuanian/Latvian. In that case the illicit fentanyl would probably be of Latvian/Lithuanian origin. E.g. almost 100% of all amphetamine here is manufactured in those countries and smuggled through Estonia.

Even though I don't have much knowledge about Estonia, but since my country (Finland) is flooded with buprenorphine, I'd be very surprised if it's not at least moderately popular among opiate users in Estonia too. 10 years ago opiate addicts from here travelled to Estonia (it's only an hour or so with ferry) to buy bubrenorphine because of the cheaper price there. But maybe things have changed there.
 
I'm not really sure how much fentanyl is abused in the UK, Ive only heard of one case but its used quite commonly in medical settings... and not with any of the warnings that I think should be given with them.

No clue about Estonia.
 
Rybee said:
I've been using opioids, mainly oral morphine, for 12 months for genuine pain relief for a slipped spinal disc so am fairly tolerant to them, they worked for pain relief but I couldn't really get high off of them anymore. Just swapped over to Fentanyl patches and I'm high as a kite on them at the dose instructed by my doc, cannot believe how potent it is. No wonder it makes heroin look elementary.
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I couldn't believe what I read--"high as a kite"? Since switching from Avinza to fentanyl nearly a year ago, I still haven't reached a point at which my baseline pain is addressed sufficiently that I don't have to ration and count out my breakthrough pain meds. Last month, I agreed to wait until next month (November having been a higher-stress, higher-activity month than December) to discuss upping the fent dosage.

Just want to be out of pain more often... "High" has been history for a long time. So while I admit to an unwelcome stab of jealousy, Brutus is right, as always. Be safe, be well.
 
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EP158207 said:
I'm not really sure how much fentanyl is abused in the UK, Ive only heard of one case but its used quite commonly in medical settings... and not with any of the warnings that I think should be given with them.

No clue about Estonia.
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It's about, just not sure to what extent. A man was arrested in my town about 5 months ago for selling pure fentanyl, but he was selling it as heroin. I imagine if he wasn't caught a lot of people were going to die.
 
Nah, its few and far between from one main source, def not spreding. Has potential too if some pricks clock onto it though
 
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