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Need more info on marajuana - gives me anxiety

Taz_Mania_Girl

Taz_Mania_Girl

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Hi all.

I have Multiple Sclerosis, and MJ has been touted as a perfect drug to help the painful spasms that are part of the disease. My doctor is more than willing, and even encouraging, about telling me the benefits. I tried it immediately, and my experience was this.

- usually talkative, I felt non-social and kind of dumb, not knowing how to respond quickly with jokes going straight over my head
- overly concerned with myself (paranoid-ish)
- did help with pain!
- anxiety heightened though, so just felt like being alone. Even alone, the anxiety persisted
- uncomfortable dry mouth
- overly tired and yucky the following morning

So, is this just due to the fact that I'm new to MJ? Does the anxiety, anti-social stuff pass with more use? I could really benefit from the use, but the side-effects are preventing me from wanting to contine.

Has anyone else experienced this? I am a lightweight obviously. My first drug of choice for pain relief is opiates. They make me feel normal, friendly, and at the same time they do what they are supposed to do --- relieve pain. My fear is that because opiates are so addictive (physically and psychologically), and you require more and more just to get the same effect that came easily at first. Also, withdrawl from opiates is terrible.

From my limited understanding, MJ withdrawl has no physical wd symptoms. Is that right? I know it can have psychological cravings afterwards.

Would really appreciate and enjoy hearing from you and your various experiences, both positive and negative.

Thanks in advance for your responses.

Taz
 
I Have The Same High Anxiety, plus The Other Not So Nice Side Effects. After 20 Years of Trying, I Cannot Get Used To The Feelings. Tolerance--I Let It Build Up a Few Times Over The years, But no Go...

People/Friend Don't Agree. They All Say."Get Used To It". It Takes Away "My Short-Term Memory As Well.

People Are Unique. Thank Goodness For That, Good Luck On Your Choices. Some Strains of Marijuana Are Geared TowArds Treating Anxiety--However That Did Not Work For me Either
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It Helps With Certain Types of Pain and Works wonders For Nausea.

Hugs
 
I would recommend you try eating it. Someone else may be able to correct me, but I guess it would have more effect on the body and less on the mind, if you ate it. Keep this junk out of your head, lol. It can be turned into a butter, I believe, and baked into bread, if you want to go straight away to super-pro.
If you have tried it more than once, with the same result, then I do not think your anxiety reaction will improve.
It is great to hear you got some relief. I liked MJ at one point. I was anti-social high-anxiety already so I never noticed that effect, but I did find that after time, for some reason, it developed some very negative psych-effects for me. I have met a few others who ended up with the same problem; aka being allergic to weed. Other users seem to never notice any negative effects.
 
I don't know if I'd go straight to eating it, it's too hard to titrate your dose, which is how people often end up just having to nap haha. I'd try to find something not too strong to start, maybe high-CBD if you can find it, but I've found Kush strains are good for pain (they call them OG here in socal though). They're usually indica so can be sedating but no more than morphine or opana. Vaporizing is a good method to start with, or if you don't want to make too big of an investment than just smoking really isn't too bad if done with the right strains, starting small.

If you're interested you should look into full extract cannabis oil made with ethanol (a similar product, but differing in important ways, is referred to as Phoenix Tears or Rick Simpson Oil). I've heard of people completely managing their MS with this oil (as well as literally curing cancer). Many people still scoff at the idea, but you live somewhere it's available, and the cost is really not that great, so you can't lose anything by trying...
 
pmoseman said:
I would recommend you try eating it. Someone else may be able to correct me, but I guess it would have more effect on the body and less on the mind, if you ate it.
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Def do not listen to this advice... Eating weed is incredibly difficult to control the dose and lasts a long time. There is no way to stop it once you're freaking out. There is also no ceiling on how fucked up you can get, so stay away. You might be better off smoking much less. You'd be surprised how effective a little bit is. Also, if you are in a med state, get some CBD weed.
 
funny enough just reading this, i had my first edible weed cracker and it was a whole new experience

I would recommend if you haven't done so. Consume when you need it, It surely cannot be a lifestyle due to it is a depressant after all. try not use it when to use it at times where you are physically/socially active throughout the day n use it before you go to bed to ease off any pains which may disturb you from sleeping.

good luck
 
I've done it for close to 20 years and I still often get anxious when smoking it. I can get incredibly anxious eating. I've cut way back because of this. Also, I feel scatter brained the day after which affects my work performance.

Certain types of higher quality buds go down smoothly for me. You may want to experiment with different types of bud if you have that option.
 
Comparison of smoked marijuana and oral Δ9-tetrahydrocannabinol in humans, Carl L. Hart. 2002
participants reported "negative" subjective effects (e.g., "irritable" and "miserable") during the days after smoking marijuana but not after oral
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Safety, tolerability, and efficacy of orally administered cannabinoids in MS, J. Killestein, MD. 2002
oral Δ9-Tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) and Cannabis sativa plant extract. Both drugs were safe, but adverse events were more common with plant-extract treatment.
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Emerging properties of cannabinoid medicines in management of multiple sclerosis, Gareth Pryce and David Baker. 2005
Because CB1 is widely expressed in the CNS, separation of beneficial from psychoactive effects of cannabis is essentially impossible, although the latter can be reduced by dose-titration.
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A rapid (seconds) increase in plasma THC levels (O100 mg lK1) occurs when cannabis smoke is inhaled [47,48], which gives the possibility of dose-titration to limit psychoactive side-effects. By contrast, oral delivery produces a slow (hours), low (!10 mg lK1) and erratic increase in plasma THC levels [45,47–51], which limits the possibility of adequate dose-titration for side-effects, other than to reduce the initially administered dose.
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It might be necessary to address problems in the oral delivery of cannabinoids, because this is unsatisfactory for short-term studies of symptom relief (owing to poor pharmacokinetics) and because other routes such as an aerosol inhaler [61,62] might produce better efficacy by enabling patients to dose- titrate to minimize side-effects.
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Cannabinoids for treatment of spasticity and other symptoms, related to multiple sclerosis (CAMS study): multicentre randomised placebo-controlled trial, John Zajicek. 2003
... because of the well recognised considerable interindividual variation in the tolerated dose with oral administration of cannabinoids. During this period, we asked patients to increase their dose by one capsule (2·5 mg ⌬9-THC equivalent) twice daily at weekly intervals. If side-effects developed, patients were advised not to increase the dose, and if side-effects were considered intolerable, the dose was reduced. Weeks 6–13 constituted a plateau phase, during which participants remained on a stable dose of medication
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We chose oral administration because it was considered unethical to expose individuals to the risks associated with smoking cannabis
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http://www.cannabis-med.org/data/pdf/2001-03-04-8.pdf
This article discusses various methods of administration. You should probably scan it for info. In short, oral can be more difficult to titrate, meaning you need to take more time getting the dose right to avoid negative side-effects, but if you can get a steady supply with the same level of THC then oral presents no issue. Plus oral also offers less negative side-effects and you can dose less often, 12 hours of relief.
 
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Since you have MS take the medications prescribed for it, or talk to your doctor and don't use cannabis for it. If you must use herb smoke small amounts of it, or vaporize it. Eating herb is way too strong, and it's not easy to gauge how strong the effects will be. If you're getting anxiety or panic from herb maybe it's not for you?
 
PriestTheyCalledHim said:
Since you have MS take the medications prescribed for it, or talk to your doctor and don't use cannabis for it. If you must use herb smoke small amounts of it, or vaporize it. Eating herb is way too strong, and it's not easy to gauge how strong the effects will be. If you're getting anxiety or panic from herb maybe it's not for you?
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I believe the MJ is what he was prescribed.
 
PriestTheyCalledHim said:
The original poster is a woman. Marijuana alone, without medications for MS won't do anything to help someone with MS.
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It may not cure MS, but I highly doubt if one chooses to avoid the typically prescribed medications for MS and if they choose to use marijuana, it would stop the potential symptom relief it could provide.
 
It sounds like the MJ is just for the painful spasms, not for the entire disorder. Seems like a perfectly fine thing to experiment with. Seriously though, is what CBD strains are for! People who don't like to get high but need the medical relief. Find CBD strains and you'll forever thank me.
 
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