Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine Mega Thread and FAQ v16.0

[Mr.Scagnattie]

Oh, I could see how all see it differently. I just know how I have been affected thus far and COULD NOT BE HAPPIER! hell, I just signed a new lease today to a SICK apartment that I would NEVER BE ABLE TO DO BEFORE! isnt that great?

you know what it takes? it takes confidence, man. do you agree? getting clean is not easy, trust me.. I know! but you gotta want it and be confident in your attack. no bullshit, ya know!?!? and hell, if these bupe pills make me life bright and shiny for life, then so be it. man, people face way worse, so I am happy to have this drug save my fucking life.

I agree. I'm not knocking what you're doing. Suboxone gave me 2 years of sobriety. It was wonderful, so I know what that's like.

Whatever way works for you, is all good. At the end of the day, it's about getting clean, however possible.

 

[RTrain]

I've noticed that since the taper started to now. Bowel movements have almost returned to normal and my sex drive is back up. Not to where it was in the before time but it's there.

I will drop to 1 mg tomorrow, if I find it's too much I will take a .5 later in the day. For the most part I'm going to try and follow the plan the rehab has for me and I better keep going to the end. There might be things they haven't told me yet.

I'm a big boy and can do what I want. If I take off and do it alone from this point what if I screw up? If I screw up they make you wait 3 months to start all over again, through this rehab.

For some reason I have it in my head that after I jump from .5 or what ever at day 3 or 4 when I'm feeling it I will take a 5/325 vike. ( I have like 10) Can't really get in trouble like that, can you?

I will take 2-3 vikes at the end to smooth out the landing. Maybe 1 in the morning and one at night, for 2 days? That idea sure looks good on paper.

I keep talking about the same stuff, but I have no where else to talk about it. I appreciate that there is a Mega thread here dedicated just for this.

.5 is not that low of a bupe dose to jump off, I think that point has been made several times. You can go much lower and it will make a huge difference. You got strips and pills right? Save the pills to dissolve in some water. You need an oral syringe, 1 cc works good. Cut a pill in half, so 4 mg, mix 16 cc of water with it. Make sure its mixed well before dosing for even distribution in the solution. Now you get .25 mg for every cc of the solution. use .4 cc and you get a dose as low as .1 mg. I do it in a pill bottle and keep it in the fridge for freshness. I also use saline rather than just plain water, to keep it sterile as possible.

*I've never dealt with strips but I believe you can dissolve those in water, too, so the same process is possible.

 

[Jabberwocky]

I agree. I'm not knocking what you're doing. Suboxone gave me 2 years of sobriety. It was wonderful, so I know what that's like.

Whatever way works for you, is all good. At the end of the day, it's about getting clean, however possible.

exactly, man. even when I speak at a group or meeting ill say I am on bupe and people frown. ill look at them and say "go fuck yourself". were they on street corners half dead like I was? were they maxing every fucking card to be found out? did they overdraf account day after day. did they get paid every 2 weeks and before he 2 weeks even hit I'd be negetive. did they OD multiple times and think nothing of it as if it was all part of being a "normal" druggie? fuck them all.

I am happy as fuck nowadays and I thank bupe. 12-16MG a day keeps the Dr. NOT far away, ha.

 

[Eveleivibe]

I would not take any vikes - it's counter-productive. But that's my advise it's up to you.

 

[RTrain]

I would not take any vikes - it's counter-productive. But that's my advise it's up to you.

Pretty much. You have to deal with it all at one point, that is just delaying the healing of the brain. Also 10 5 mg vics being taken as mentioned (1 bid) will only last around 1/4 of the w/d. I better strategy than taking them the first days of Sub w/d are to just take them if you absolutely need them. Like to induce sleep on a day you really need it, or if you need to pull it together for a few hours. As sparingly as possible would be the key, not at all would be the best.

 

[Ziggy stardust]

.5 is not that low of a bupe dose to jump off, I think that point has been made several times. You can go much lower and it will make a huge difference. You got strips and pills right? Save the pills to dissolve in some water. You need an oral syringe, 1 cc works good. Cut a pill in half, so 4 mg, mix 16 cc of water with it. Make sure its mixed well before dosing for even distribution in the solution. Now you get .25 mg for every cc of the solution. use .4 cc and you get a dose as low as .1 mg. I do it in a pill bottle and keep it in the fridge for freshness. I also use saline rather than just plain water, to keep it sterile as possible.

*I've never dealt with strips but I believe you can dissolve those in water, too, so the same process is possible.

You can use vodka or ever clear to dilute sub too...it's said to help with bioavailability, but I'm not sure about that.
I used a little Rescue Remedy bottle with a dropper top and dropped 2mg sub pill into the 10ml rescue remedy stuff.

 

[Not Again]

Instead of worrying about it, I'm going to just ride it out and see how I feel. Tomorrow I'm supposed to go to 1 mg. Today is my last day at 2mg.

Lets just see. If I start feeling shitty I have some sub the Dr's don't know I have. not much, but enough to help through the little times. I'm in a positive mindset and ready for this.

 

[Ziggy stardust]

Instead of worrying about it, I'm going to just ride it out and see how I feel. Tomorrow I'm supposed to go to 1 mg. Today is my last day at 2mg.

Lets just see. If I start feeling shitty I have some sub the Dr's don't know I have. not much, but enough to help through the little times. I'm in a positive mindset and ready for this.

That's a BIG drop....50% of your dose. I'm surprised your sub Dr didn't want you to go to 1.5mg. (Recomended drop is 20% of your dose)
That being said...I dropped from 2mg to 1mg and it wasn't horrible. You'll typically feel the drop on the second or third day and it takes about 3-5 days to even out again...
Good luck..and don't check your self for symptoms..(you'll sure to find them..lol) ...just stay busy.

 

[Not Again]

That's a BIG drop....50% of your dose. I'm surprised your sub Dr didn't want you to go to 1.5mg. (Recomended drop is 20% of your dose)
That being said...I dropped from 2mg to 1mg and it wasn't horrible. You'll typically feel the drop on the second or third day and it takes about 3-5 days to even out again...
Good luck..and don't check your self for symptoms..(you'll sure to find them..lol) ...just stay busy.

Thanks. This is the way this rehab does it. It's part of Kaiser. 3-4 week taper.I'm staying busy. when I start feeling down I take half an adderall and get to doing something. I have the luxury of only having to work 2 days this week and 2 days next. Both Sat and Sun. Short days. I'm the boss and call all the shots. So I took some Vacation time.

I really don't have to get back to work full time till after the New Year.

 

[RTrain]

That's a BIG drop....50% of your dose. I'm surprised your sub Dr didn't want you to go to 1.5mg. (Recomended drop is 20% of your dose)
That being said...I dropped from 2mg to 1mg and it wasn't horrible. You'll typically feel the drop on the second or third day and it takes about 3-5 days to even out again...
Good luck..and don't check your self for symptoms..(you'll sure to find them..lol) ...just stay busy.

Agreed. Dropping to 75% of the past dose every 3 or 4 days is a pretty good way to taper Subs when doing a short taper. The idea of a taper is to avoid unnecessary pain. The key to that is gradual reductions.

 

[Tommyboy]

Oh, I could see how all see it differently. I just know how I have been affected thus far and COULD NOT BE HAPPIER! hell, I just signed a new lease today to a SICK apartment that I would NEVER BE ABLE TO DO BEFORE! isnt that great?

you know what it takes? it takes confidence, man. do you agree? getting clean is not easy, trust me.. I know! but you gotta want it and be confident in your attack. no bullshit, ya know!?!? and hell, if these bupe pills make me life bright and shiny for life, then so be it. man, people face way worse, so I am happy to have this drug save my fucking life.

I'm just throwing this out there so you are aware of it. It's great that you are off of dope and all, but if you are taking weed, benzos, and adderall on top of the suboxone then isn't that still living an addictive lifestyle? I know you are not blowing money on dope, but you are getting a potent opioid prescribed to you by a doctor, and then still dabbling in 3 other classes of drugs which may be why you feel so great with your dose of suboxone.

As for the rush to get off of suboxone, after I got off of it after being prescribed it for 18 months I realized how much it had dulled me and how much it was altering my brain chemistry 24/7. Not to sound nasty but the only time that I ever had 'wet dreams' was when I was withdrawing from the suboxone, and there is a whole thread about that here, so just imagine how much it is dulling peoples brains if a whole group of people coming off of it are all experiencing these wet dreams. It's things like that that made me realize that it was best for me to use the drug for a few months before tapering off. That and the length of the withdrawals after coming off of it are what made me want to rush off of it, but I wouldn't consider 2-3 months between start and finishing it as rushing off of it.

 

[RTrain]

^ I second that 2-3 months is not rushing off. That gives you plenty of time to stabilize at a dose around 4-8 mg and then you can do a relatively slow taper, like the drop to 75% every 3-4 days that I mentioned above. The thing is 2-3 months could be rushing off. The idea of rushing off Subs is kind of subjective, some people will screw themselves over by getting off too soon and not fixing the problems they had that led to their opiate addictions. It doesn't matter how long you wait, if you didn't change your life to make being clean of opiates a feasible reality, then you are stacking the odds well in favor of a relapse. Well that is at least how I see it.

Also, wondering what dose you stopped at that you were getting those dreams? Oh and just for the record I prefer to call them "sticky dreams", a lot more accurate IMO/E.

 

[Jabberwocky]

I'm just throwing this out there so you are aware of it. It's great that you are off of dope and all, but if you are taking weed, benzos, and adderall on top of the suboxone then isn't that still living an addictive lifestyle? I know you are not blowing money on dope, but you are getting a potent opioid prescribed to you by a doctor, and then still dabbling in 3 other classes of drugs which may be why you feel so great with your dose of suboxone.

dude, I am far from sober. I've said it in my blogs and said it on here many times; sobriety to me is is actually SAVING my life and staying far the FCK away from dope! the benzo's were always scripted but yes I do take for "fun" when smoking weed, which is also scripted due to the brain cancer (which is basically gone at this point but I still push the weed). although I have the OK for the trees elsewhere, I still buy from the street since I know a dude who pushes the medical shit from RI.

the adderall was actually a FUN last 2 days. those were 20MG time release. I've never taken adderrall much but the last 2 days were fun; wide awake at work and working my ass off. wont be able to get or see addy for a bit now but they were fun for the past 2 days. plus, addy is an upper and those were never me but it was nice to take it w/ no real dope in my body and see how the adderall worked. the boss man was surprised at all that got done today.

here's a random question can easily be looked up but rather ask here: how many days in a row of high MG Valium usage (diazapram) would get you "addicted". I am back on a script and it says taken as needed but filled w/ 30 10MG Valium. I took 2 earlier tonight just to get an idea and ended up passing out. maybe take halves WHEN NEEDED and only ONE when having fun? last thing I want/need is basically another benzo withdrawal. but I do need benzo's w/ the work/life.

 

[Jabberwocky]

The idea of rushing off Subs is kind of subjective, some people will screw themselves over by getting off too soon and not fixing the problems they had that led to their opiate addictions. It doesn't matter how long you wait, if you didn't change your life to make being clean of opiates a feasible reality, then you are stacking the odds well in favor of a relapse. Well that is at least how I see it.

this right here is EXACTLY what I am talking about. why the rush? what have you done since you stopped using your dope? did you change your scenery? did you change jobs? lose the ex bf/gf? lose the connect? lose the number? did you move? you still chilling with that same non-sober crew? there is SO MUCH MORE THAN JUST STOPPING!

when I was shooting and not caring, I was at a job I COULD NOT STAND, I was w/ a girl that was NOT FOR ME but I didnt know what to do, so I kept her around because it was my "out". I couldnt come close to paying the rent or bills w/o her. I owe her my life and I am a true piece of shiznit for the way I lived through her. I lived an area that I have in my mind as my dope home, even driving by my past home I think of what I did in there and what happened throughout the years there. I changed my phone #, my job, left the GF, change my address and recently just scored a NEW PLACE, I change the way I see/view life. the once negative BostonBrown starting to see things in a different light. realizing what I did almost took my life and realizing how lucky I was to have the life I do and the ability to MOVE ON from what was mentioned prior, because not too many can just completely turn around and move. I did it all, man. I did it fucking ALL. Subox, weed, benzo and ever addy... means ZERO to me. I've prob taken enough benzos and surly enough adderrall (only 2 since) to fit in my hand. weed I smoke 2-3 times a week. so sure, I still "use" but my $30/wk habit vs. my $200/day habit sure has changed life, me, surroundings, others thoughts and ideas about me, and so much more.

getting off the drug is one thing; staying away and changing what lead you to that path is another. I have NOT SPOKE TO ONE DEALER since I left. They are cool w/ it cu they know I want out and OD'd so they are not even bothering me. I respect that. I've talked OVER THE PHONE to a few who have slipped up and re-used and try to talk them back. other than that, the dope peeps have been far, far away. although, even if it was here next to me, I'd still push it aside. maybe its the subox talking but I have no need. the thought of it makes me sick thinking of the life I lived on dope. I do not have ONE GOOD STORY AT ALL TO TELL. imagine? I dont have a good story to tell? about dope? not one. what would be a good story? how my bad was fatter than usual? no, cuz they were usually smaller. how I had to use random public restrooms to shoot? nah, doesnt sound so good. that I spent my check weeks ahead of time for the dope? probably not great. that I lied day in and day out about where I was, what I was up to, etc. nope, another BAD ONE! how my sex drive and attraction to my once girlfriend fell apart to the dope? hmm.. again, not so great. maybe its because the dope would only be 15 minutes away but yet cost me a lot for 2-3G's depending on the day? nah. plus,3G's days I'd be on the road and in weird places for an hour. how about NOT being able to go to my GF's brothers wedding in Puerto Rico because I was STUCK and didnt have the money to buy a ticket/gift (told her straight up) and how if I left I would go into withdrawals and not know what to do there? how about before that when I nodded out at her parents table into a dish of turkey dinner for thanksgiving. normal, right? how I smashed cars in my backyard and ran over a little kids biker toy w/o even remembering and got out of the car and said sorry but kept it running and went back in to go back to nodding out? that sounds good, too, huh? wow, I miss getting high. its the best, right? I wanna rush off these subox and hopefully lead back to that life; cuz it sounds SOOOO AWESOME! oh wait, my bad.. it totally sucked and those are only a few of the 399393939393 negative things I've done.

ABOUT THE DREAMS: they have to do w/ subox? I never really had sticky dreams or even sexual dreams but lately I've been waking up w/ a rock in the pants and remember in each dream how I was w/ this girl, or was at this place w/ this girl, etc. this is kinda new to me as well cuz it would usually always cut off before ANYTHING happened and I'd wake up. but now the dream plays out and the big boy downstairs gets happy. NOT WET REALLY.. but HAPPY! ha.

 

[Ziggy stardust]

^^^^^
I don't think anyone is questioning your need to be on Sub. You sound like you need some time to sort out why you needed dope in the first place. I agree with Tommy that if your still actively looking for some way to alter your senses your not ready yet to be off sub. Every Adderal, every benzo has a rebound effect. After a couple days on Addys your gonna be down. No posting euphorically. After benzo use your going to be more anxious....it's just how the drugs work.
As far as how long it takes to get addicted to benzos? I'd say to keep the usage to under two weeks. Why do you feel the need to take them?

 

[Jabberwocky]

^^^^^
I don't think anyone is questioning your need to be on Sub. You sound like you need some time to sort out why you needed dope in the first place. I agree with Tommy that if your still actively looking for some way to alter your senses your not ready yet to be off sub. Every Adderal, every benzo has a rebound effect. After a couple days on Addys your gonna be down. No posting euphorically. After benzo use your going to be more anxious....it's just how the drugs work.
As far as how long it takes to get addicted to benzos? I'd say to keep the usage to under two weeks. Why do you feel the need to take them?

there is no doubt I NEED bupe and I dont see any questioning it. what I am questioning is why others are always in such a rush, or low dosage to get off the bupe itself. I've road the bupe/dope roller coaster for a while toward the end of my last run due to funds NOT being there. I'd take those bupe dosages we usually mention here but I was taking those doses just to hold off until I could pick up the next batch; even if it were 8 hours later. which is why I am one to believe that 1-4MG does not do much to a true junkie who is trying to stop and having a hard time. once I started out at 24MG and dropped to 16MG in less than a week; I've felt great since. Been about 4 months now and there are no cravings, no problems, no nothing. I truly feel blessed for what I have been given and the Dr. I have been seeing.

He's also prescribed me just 10MG Celexa which supposed has some sort of interaction w/ the bupe; but we all know how Dr's are and how each drugs plays a part w/ another in various ways, blah blah. w/ each doc. you hear a different story, but whatever because everything is working fine over here.

My doc. knows I smoke weed. He sees the script and can understand w/ the cancer/tumor that if it's what helps me stay clean, or at least so far. he also knows I've been re-scripted the benzo's due to anxiety; thing is, they script me on a WEEKLY basis, so they cannot be abused, which I am fine by. he has under pretty good control which I am fine w/ and absolutely happy w the results.

the 1 addy I took the other day was just a trade for a benzo through a work guy. probably havent done addy in years before that one.

 

[Ziggy stardust]

there is no doubt I NEED bupe and I dont see any questioning it. what I am questioning is why others are always in such a rush, or low dosage to get off the bupe itself. I've road the bupe/dope roller coaster for a while toward the end of my last run due to funds NOT being there. I'd take those bupe dosages we usually mention here but I was taking those doses just to hold off until I could pick up the next batch; even if it were 8 hours later. which is why I am one to believe that 1-4MG does not do much to a true junkie who is trying to stop and having a hard time. once I started out at 24MG and dropped to 16MG in less than a week; I've felt great since. Been about 4 months now and there are no cravings, no problems, no nothing. I truly feel blessed for what I have been given and the Dr. I have

I sounded exactly like you 14 yrs ago when I started methadone. Methadone DID save my life. I was ODing shooting the goo in fentanyl patches and totally addicted to daily IVing Morphine and Dilaudid. I'd ODed at work and was given CPR by janitor after they kicked the door in. I woke up in the ICU four days later unable to Speak or walk...after rehab I was sent to a mental hospital for six weeks. That was the sixth OD and my last....
But I've come to grips with why I use and after 13 yrs of maintaince I wanted to live drug free...like the "normies".
I don't think you should question why anyone wants off drugs...anymore than someone should question why you need them. It's his business, and if he feels he needs to, he can get back on sub. It's never a failure...it's a learning experience and a brave try.
I personally think he's got the right attitude and isn't in active addiction any longer....and he's going to be free of opiates.

 

[Ziggy stardust]

BTW...how's it going today, NA?

 

[Not Again]

Today 1 mg.

3 days here then , unsure of what their going to do.

I go in tomorrow and find out.

I slept real hard last night like it almost hurt to sleep.

They gave me clonidine, haven't taken it yet. Don't even know when or if I should. 1mg feels like an accomplishment.Getting here with very little problems is even better. Didn't take any benzo's last night or the past couple nights.Trying to get a break in case I need them for a few nights down the road.

1 mg is so little . It's amazing that something so very tiny can be so powerful.

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

^^^

The clonidine will help a lot when you finally come off the suboxone for good.