Psychedelics Without Weed

[Tikker]

AFOAF is wondering how common it is for people who use psychedelics to not use cannabis, or rarely use it.

He feels weed is much more 'muddy' and causes him anxiety related to heart surgery as a baby and a heart murmur, even though he's never had any restrictions. While he hasn't tripped without smoking, he has taken MDMA with and without. Without smoking always was a good experience for him, while with smoking was always bad and anxiety-ridden. A hippyflip with smoking had him asking to be driven to the ER.

Weed appears to be the common denominator for people using drugs, and so this FOAF is simply looking for any experiences or opinions on the matter.

 

[Gratuitous Grace]

I use psychedelics often -- every week or two or thereabouts -- and I never use cannabis. Specifically, just once in the last 20 years. And, like you or your "FOAF" or whomever, anxiety is the issue. I should probably learn how to combine the experiences effectively as I would probably really dig the enhanced visuals and over-the-topness that cannabis would bring to the table. IDK ... when the timing is right, I guess.

Interesting question. One I've been thinking about myself lately.

 

[Tikker]

I use psychedelics often -- every week or two or thereabouts -- and I never use cannabis. Specifically, just once in the last 20 years. And, like you or your "FOAF" or whomever, anxiety is the issue. I should probably learn how to combine the experiences effectively as I would probably really dig the enhanced visuals and over-the-topness that cannabis would bring to the table. IDK ... when the timing is right, I guess.

Interesting question. One I've been thinking about myself lately.

I'm glad it didn't take a lot of posts to find somebody that's went this route. Thank ya. If you're open to answering, which psychedelics do you use? This FOAF is looking to only mess with shrooms and LSD if he decides to drop weed altogether.

He has been thinking about quitting cannabis regardless, but as somebody who's always been into finding the deeper meaning of things psychedelics seem like a worthy thing to keep as a weekend alternative. (Alcohol is disgusting.)

 

[Felonious Monk]

I've taken LSD without the aid of cannabis. It can definitely give a more clear-headed trip, but it can be more uncomfortable getting into the tripping state, so you have to be more in-tune with your body to make it comfortable (ie. set and setting are more important without cannabis to soothe the psyche).

 

[Asante]

Its a sad thing that many psycherdelics users, while generally responsible with their psychedelics, tend to abuse weed.

Heavy pot smoking tends to turn group MDMA & psychedelics sessions into tard versions of what they could have been. The moment high THC enters, people socially withdraw and their short term memory goes down the drain, scrambling the subtle graces of the psychedelics and empathogens.

I smoked 10 lbs of quality weed over a decade so this is not an outsider opinion.

If you have never tripped or rolled without weed you havent tripped or rolled, period. Tripping and rolling produces a prominent crescendo, and in the background important lessons are taught. Adding lots of weed tends to crank up the crescendo at the expense of Depth and learning ability. Shrooms, LSD, they have something to show you and to show you they require your undivided attention.

 

[Gratuitous Grace]

I'm glad it didn't take a lot of posts to find somebody that's went this route. Thank ya. If you're open to answering, which psychedelics do you use? This FOAF is looking to only mess with shrooms and LSD if he decides to drop weed altogether.

Oh sure! Definitely open to answering ... but we're talking about 25+ years of use, here.

Over time, the bulk has been LSD and mescaline. DMT less often, although often enough. 'Shrooms not so much ... IDK why? Access, I guess. I've also been through numerous of the more recently available (last decade) chems with more numbers and letters in their names than it would be worthwhile to list. They tend to be variations on a theme, with the best (for me) being 4-AcO-DMT (so we're kinda back to a 'shroom-like experience, I guess), DPT (DMT-like), and AL-LAD in higher doses (very LSD-like).

 

[atara]

A great many people who have problems with cannabis will not have difficulty with psychedelics. They are totally different classes of drugs which are used together mostly by accident (though cannabis does relieve nausea).

In fact some of the anxiety commonly attributed to psychedelics may be in fact a result of concurrent cannabis intoxication. "Bad trips" may be significantly less likely in the absence of cannabis use.

My first psychedelic trips were taken without weed, mostly because I didn't have any at the time: I would recommend this to everyone.

 

[suture]

I've taken LSD without the aid of cannabis. It can definitely give a more clear-headed trip, but it can be more uncomfortable getting into the tripping state, so you have to be more in-tune with your body to make it comfortable (ie. set and setting are more important without cannabis to soothe the psyche).

Yeah this, basically.

If I'm smoking weed and I take psychedelics, it's not so much of a mindfuck and I tend to accept what is happening pretty well - although that alone can make a mushroom trip far less potent and it can ruin the 'special' vibe of an LSD trip, depending on the situation.

If I take psychedelics and THEN I smoke weed...it normally doesn't end well. What I find is that the weed just makes a trip much more paranoid and weird, although if I'm in one of those bad trips where there's a foot in both reality and the trip (and I'm trying to pull back to reality) what I find is that a huge bowl of strong weed can basically push me to the point where I just sit down and zone out on a mind trip, which does help in a situation like that because I'm too spaced to really be scared or confused. Bit of a wasted trip though. Generally I go into the experience bareback

 

[Diode]

I am a fan of smoking weed on psychedelics because of the personality it adds. However I get almost no effect if I smoke on mushrooms, and I get far too much effect if I smoke on 2C-E. I also am not a fan of DMT+Weed and I prefer it standalone. With mushrooms I simply don't get any enhancement, I hardly notice. 2C-E develops a crushing body load and razor-sharp visuals that feel somewhat unfriendly. With DMT it roughens the emotional content of the comeup and makes it more confusing.

With LSD and 5-MeO-aMT specifically, the enhancement offered by weed changes the nature of the entire experience. It adds almost an increased "confidence" in the visuals as well as causing everything to spontaneously transform into letters. I guess it adds another layer to the experience, it will definitely accentuate anxieties and your thought patterns will not be nearly as clear. This can be quite disorienting in high doses, but it's also fascinating for me to see how cannabis interacts with some chemicals. It's like a new different substance has been formed the second the vapour hits my lungs.

A friend of mine with an equal amount of experience, reports little to no effect from smoking weed on psychedelics. Baffling.

 

[BenzosBudOrBooty]

Usually I take mushrooms by itself.

Or with a beer or two.

A couple weeks ago I took a small dose of mushrooms then drank two stout beers, then a friend came over and we smoked a fat blunt. I felt invincible and puffed that shit like it was nobodys' biz. Man that was the start of a half hour of hell. Completely delusional about myself. Ego and identity confusion, both down and up. I thought I was never gonna come down.

Usually when I smoke weed I have a bad trip these days, so mix up some alcohol and shrooms and a fat blunt, man that was one fricking crazy trip. Although I learned from it.

 

[Zjesko]

Its a sad thing that many psycherdelics users, while generally responsible with their psychedelics, tend to abuse weed.

Heavy pot smoking tends to turn group MDMA & psychedelics sessions into tard versions of what they could have been. The moment high THC enters, people socially withdraw and their short term memory goes down the drain, scrambling the subtle graces of the psychedelics and empathogens.

I smoked 10 lbs of quality weed over a decade so this is not an outsider opinion.

If you have never tripped or rolled without weed you havent tripped or rolled, period. Tripping and rolling produces a prominent crescendo, and in the background important lessons are taught. Adding lots of weed tends to crank up the crescendo at the expense of Depth and learning ability. Shrooms, LSD, they have something to show you and to show you they require your undivided attention.

Very well said. I wish more people had this mindset; don't get me wrong weed is wonderful and offers wonders of great benefits. But sometimes you just gotta experience things on their own

 

[psyisk]

When I was a younger lad I use to dome a bunch of cones through my peaks and comedowns. Now when I take the slightest bit of thc in ny body, it spirals me into anxiety. Long story short I stay away from cannabis on hallucinogens.

 

[porkstock]

Its a sad thing that many psycherdelics users, while generally responsible with their psychedelics, tend to abuse weed.

Heavy pot smoking tends to turn group MDMA & psychedelics sessions into tard versions of what they could have been. The moment high THC enters, people socially withdraw and their short term memory goes down the drain, scrambling the subtle graces of the psychedelics and empathogens.

I smoked 10 lbs of quality weed over a decade so this is not an outsider opinion.

If you have never tripped or rolled without weed you havent tripped or rolled, period. Tripping and rolling produces a prominent crescendo, and in the background important lessons are taught. Adding lots of weed tends to crank up the crescendo at the expense of Depth and learning ability. Shrooms, LSD, they have something to show you and to show you they require your undivided attention.

yeah i've got to agree with this.

i smoke weed mostly every day, but when i choose to trip, i usually don't smoke that day until after the peak of my trip. weed and psychedelics don't mix ALL that well. a little of each is ok, but i'd rather than more of the psychedelic and not "have to" smoke to make it stronger.

 

[SWIM Had A Dream]

"they have something to show you and they require your undivided attention"

what a very interesting topic....I am a habitual mj user...several times per day...and I am preparing myself for experiences with several different pd's, some that I have never tried before...Before reading this thread I did not even consider the possibility of exploring the subtleties of these compounds without being stoned.

The thing is...when I don't toke...I get irritable. This is obviously something I'd like to avoid when experiencing PD's. It isn't something that happens until around 2 days without a puff. Maybe a nice herbal attitude adjustment before bed the night before an expected trip is the answer. It may be the case that I've never experienced PD's without being stoned...I'm so very interested to see what I've been missing

 

[Kapitan]

A great many people who have problems with cannabis will not have difficulty with psychedelics. They are totally different classes of drugs which are used together mostly by accident (though cannabis does relieve nausea).

This is me. I have terrible, debilitating anxiety on cannabis, and occasionally paranoid delusions. It's reached a point where I basically can't smoke at all anymore. If pot did to everyone what it does to me, no one would smoke it

However, I have no problems with psychedelics. Well ... no more problems than most people, anyway. I've had bad trips, but they were in the minority. The vast majority (>90% ) of my trips have not involved marijuana.

 

[lovepsychadelics]

I don't use pot while on psychs. Used to heaps but now days it makes my hear a little jittery.

 

[ParappaTheRapper]

I made a thread like this once. it was better than your thread. *fart sound.

but. I feel that tripping without sensimillia is more.psychological. More managable but more difficult.
with the sticky icky purple super skunk, it is difficult yet simple and empty. like. swhaggy grass buds alone.

 

[《Plasticity》]

Marijuana is usually what I add to psychedelics if the trip is not where I want to be. TBH when I smoke on psychedelics I don't even feel the weed, just an increase in visuals and bodyhigh, rarely does it add any headfuck. It's strange as I can get paranoid when smoking weed alone but it just feels so tranquill when added to psychedelics. I agree that many people assume that because marijuana causes problems then psychedelics wil... HELLO they work on completely different parts of the brain and IMO they are nothing alike. In fact I'd go out to say that I have had stronger anxiety on lots of cannabis than psychedelics. The anxiety on cannabis tends to be delusional or forced in a manner that I can't control or expand upon while bad psychedelic trips at least allow me to learn something. Just my experience.

 

[DubNaut]

I no longer smoke cannabis, during this time I've used more psychs than before.

When I did smoke I always smoked. My comment is pretty empty. I miss smoking out of nodtalgia nothing more me thinks

 

[infectious]

Dissociatives are my favorite class of drugs, followed by psychedelics. So, I've had my fair share of trips. I also use to be quite a pothead. I don't use pot regularly anymore (and TBH, when I do use cannabinoids, it's usually synthetic given the price difference). However, when I trip, I will chain-toke if it's around. I don't really crave it for the effect, but I love the way bud smells/tastes/looks whilst tripping. Yet, I never feel any difference in the trip, unless I dose pretty low (and then the trip is slightly potentiated by pot). I mean, I used to turn down free medicinal bud all the time, cuz I was tripping and wouldn't feel it, and thus it would be wasteful. I guess to get exact, I can feel it near the very end, but that's it.

Sidenote - When dissociated, my lung capacity is immense. I can clear a 1g nug outta a good glass bong in a single hit.