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cubic K sucks so bad.

Cubic k > shardy k anyday
The cubic k I've had as almost always been far superior, plus if you want to put some back in the bag you can just pick it up with your fingers (but who wants to put it back in the bag anyways)
 
I imagine he's pointing towards the fact that he prefers a certain isomer of K over the other. Or racemic.

I prefer mine racemic, but I'm oldschool like that, I never even knew there were different kinds for the longest time.
 
buildersoftime said:
Surely the main problem is that the original post doesn't actually say anything useful?
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Well, it's really hard to crush up...I've never had this much of a struggle with it. Had to use a mug and even then it was mainly futile. Effects - maybe slight body rush but nothing else to speak of. This never happens with the shards. Always go to K-land with those.

Ballz_Trippington said:
Sorry but you are coming across as an ungrateful spoiled brat. A lot of people like me have NO connection to ANY K at all. At least you can get some.
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haha, pfft. I was just expressing my anger. Ungrateful? You make a 2hr round trip to get 'k' that has no effect whatsoever. And really you should be grateful that you can't score any, because it DESTROYS your insides.
 
There is often confusion surrounding the difference between the isomers and not everyone agrees, but anyway IME it is S-ketamine that tends to produce crystals that are shaped cube or barrel like, smooth and chunky. Some similarity to the appearance of sugar.
R-ketamine on the other hand IME tends to look jagged, shard or needle like. I really wanna recrystallize separate isomers sometime and put it under a microscope, unfortunately I don't have a microscope mountable camera...

S-ketamine is more potent by weight than R-ketamine and I agree that it is bad for your insides, it feels dirtying and burdening to me. The psychological effect is more narcotic or anaesthetic while R-ketamine is much more psychedelic or schizo / psychosis like. You could consider both dissociative but it seems to me that S-ketamine leans a lot more on anaesthesia making you lose touch with the world while R-ketamine fucks with your cognition until you start failing to comprehend meaning and association.

Apparently non-recreational users who get ketamine administered in trials or medical settings prefer S-ketamine but these people are not looking for a trip. People who are looking for a trip may appreciate the relative lack of physical side-effects of R-ketamine. In my opinion the effects of the isomers are complementary and that makes normal racemic ketamine which is the most common, the most complete and effective even if pure R-ket is cleaner. Then again I bet S-ketamine is less likely to disturb a person mentally so you might call that clean as well.

I wonder if S-ketamine or more specifically its metabolite S-norketamine is the main perpetrator of long-term side effects associated with chronic ketamine (ab)use such as gallbladder cramping (K pains / K cramps) and damage to the bladder by thickening and scarring of the lining and cystitis.

Here is our subthread on the topic: http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/447697-Ketamine-Subthread-Isomers-R-and-S-Ketamine
 
Solipsis said:
There is often confusion surrounding the difference between the isomers and not everyone agrees, but anyway IME it is S-ketamine that tends to produce crystals that are shaped cube or barrel like, smooth and chunky. Some similarity to the appearance of sugar.
R-ketamine on the other hand IME tends to look jagged, shard or needle like. I really wanna recrystallize separate isomers sometime and put it under a microscope, unfortunately I don't have a microscope mountable camera...

S-ketamine is more potent by weight than R-ketamine and I agree that it is bad for your insides, it feels dirtying and burdening to me. The psychological effect is more narcotic or anaesthetic while R-ketamine is much more psychedelic or schizo / psychosis like. You could consider both dissociative but it seems to me that S-ketamine leans a lot more on anaesthesia making you lose touch with the world while R-ketamine fucks with your cognition until you start failing to comprehend meaning and association.

Apparently non-recreational users who get ketamine administered in trials or medical settings prefer S-ketamine but these people are not looking for a trip. People who are looking for a trip may appreciate the relative lack of physical side-effects of R-ketamine. In my opinion the effects of the isomers are complementary and that makes normal racemic ketamine which is the most common, the most complete and effective even if pure R-ket is cleaner. Then again I bet S-ketamine is less likely to disturb a person mentally so you might call that clean as well.

I wonder if S-ketamine or more specifically its metabolite S-norketamine is the main perpetrator of long-term side effects associated with chronic ketamine (ab)use such as gallbladder cramping (K pains / K cramps) and damage to the bladder by thickening and scarring of the lining and cystitis.

Here is our subthread on the topic: http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/447697-Ketamine-Subthread-Isomers-R-and-S-Ketamine
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I appreciate the informative and interesting response.
 
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