New Drug That’s As Addictive As Heroin And Perfectly Legal

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http://miami.cbslocal.com/2013/11/21/new-drug-thats-as-addictive-as-heroin-and-perfectly-legal

MIAMI (CBSMiami) — A drug known as kratom produces a high like cocaine, can be as addictive as heroin, and–believe it or not–is completely legal.

It’s an herbal remedy found in Kava bars and head shops in South Florida and throughout the country, but now authorities say kratom, which comes from a tree in southeast Asia, may not be completely safe.

“This will get you where you need to be and make you feel good,” said one proponent. “It can give you a happy, euphoric feeling,” said another. “I feel like I have a little buzz,” said a third.

“It’s a branch of the coffee family and years and years ago, the villagers would manipulate the leaves and it gave off an effect that relaxed people,” said clinical care coordinator John Corbett, a drug and alcohol counselor.

Kratom, sought after for its euphoric and more intense effects, is considered by some as one of the most dangerous drugs currently for sale in the United States.

“Doctors are Googling, they’re actually Googling what is this, where is this coming from,” said Corbett. “People are ending up in emergency rooms, hospitals, rehab.”

Kratom is ground into powder, stuffed in capsules and even sold in liquid form. It is so highly addictive Corbett likens it to opium and heroin.

“It was a warm, euphoric feeling, “ said 23-year-old former kratom user Carrie, “I didn’t feel irritable, I wasn’t concerned with day to day anxieties.”

But soon, Carrie said, her casual kratom use turned to full-blown addiction. She was taking kratom three times a day, spending $1,000 a month on it.

“I was scrounging for change, for food ,” Carrie said, “ Some days I would go without eating because I would rather have money for the drug.”

A recovering prescription drug addict, Carrie said she went through rehab a second time, for kratom, with the process proving to be equally grueling.

According to Peter Gannon, a psychiatric nurse practitioner who helped treat Carrie, detoxing from kratom is in fact similar to kicking heroin.

“You’ll go through an opiate type of withdrawal, where you’ll have nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, chills, and sweats,” Gannon said, “You’ll just feel like you want to die.”

Kratom is popping up for sale everywhere, from smoke shops and convenient stores to the Internet.

So why is it legal in the U.S. when Australia, Malaysia, and Thailand have all banned its use? The Drug Enforcement Agency recently placed kratom on its list of “Drugs and Chemicals of Concern,” a watch list of substances that government chemists are studying.

Since kratom is still legal, that means growers like Wesley Todd are free to sell kratom without repercussions.

Todd said he started producing and selling the herb after a debilitating motorcycle accident. Severe pain led Todd to doctor after doctor, and he was soon addicted to prescription medication. Taking Kratom, Todd said, allowed him to break that habit, and resume a normal life, adding that the herb is safe to use, and not addictive.

“No one has ever overdosed on it, “ Todd said, “There is just no way, it’s not possible. The claims they are making are not possible.”

Still, those who offer treatment for Kratom addiction say it can be dangerous, and they advise people who want to try it to think twice before they do.

A state lawmaker in Massachusetts has filed a bill to outlaw kratom.

“You could get into an automobile high on kratom, drive down the road and crash and kill someone,” said Vinny deMacedo.

Although there have been no reported fatalities from kratom, the known risks and dangers of overdoses include delusions, tremors, coordination problems, and hallucinations.

http://miami.cbslocal.com/2013/11/21/new-drug-thats-as-addictive-as-heroin-and-perfectly-legal
 
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I'd like to see these articles solicit the opinions of people who don't have financial incentives to either promote or demonize the drug.

Is there such a thing as a kratom expert who's capable of objectivity?
 
A drug known as kratom produces a high like cocaine, can be as addictive as heroin, and–believe it or not–is completely legal.


WTF THIS IS THE BIGGEST LIE EVER. WORSE THAN SAYING POT MAKES PEOPLE KILL THEIR FAMILIES.
 
well now I really want to try it

I've always been under the belief that any drug you can buy with a credit card, probably isn't as fun as it's big brother
 
Kratom is being likened to cocaine? Ummm... Yeah...

I agree that it can be very addictive but this has to be one of the most sensationalized drug articles that I have seen in a long time...
 
I feel these types of articles are becoming fewer and fewer in number. I remember when I started reading this forum in 2008, half of the articles were naive prohibitionist propaganda like this, but now I hardly see them. Anybody else notice this?
 
I know of a drug that is pretty addictive, often makes people act violent and insane, kills people all the time, and is pretty awful for health, fucks people up so bad they can't drive or walk.. and its perfectly legal and sold everywhere.
 
I am not a fan of Kratom.
I have tried it several times, but never found the experience to be worth it, or good.
Then again, I am not a fan of opiates, so maybe that is why. I am just looking for something else in a drug.

To shimazu: I have purchased synthetic cannabinoids, san pedro cactus, ayahuasca mixins, and kratom all with a credit card. The first 3 drugs on the list were VERY STRONG (esp. cannabinoids and ayahuasca), so be careful about your bias!

I feel these types of articles are becoming fewer and fewer in number. I remember when I started reading this forum in 2008, half of the articles were naive prohibitionist propaganda like this, but now I hardly see them. Anybody else notice this?

Yes, I noticed it, but wonder if it is just posting bias. I tend to focus on other types of articles, and if you do, too, then that is 2 of 3 mods...
 
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We better ban that shit. Think of the children!
You know it HCL.. nothing but hard work, vegetables, and purified tap water is what I say.. A long, safe, and completely boring life is where its at.. the only behavior that should cause personal "damage" should be self flogging for purification or overworking to make more money for the boss men.
 
“You could get into an automobile high on kratom, drive down the road and crash and kill someone,” said Vinny deMacedo.

I could eat a grilled cheese sandwich and then drive down the road and kill someone, as well. So I guess I have a valid argument for illegalizing grilled cheese sandwiches, right?
 
I'd like to see these articles solicit the opinions of people who don't have financial incentives to either promote or demonize the drug.

Is there such a thing as a kratom expert who's capable of objectivity?

Well, even if there is, it seems that they would be too afraid to speak out about it.
 
Isn't mitragynine a partial opiate agonist? Kratom is a mix o that and a combination of other alkaloids, with a different dose-response curve than pharms. I'm sure we have some Kratom experts here on BL with extensive experience.
 
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