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Has anyone tried picamilon?

Treacle

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Picamilon (also known as nicotinoyl-GABA, pycamilon, and pikamilon) is a dietary supplement formed by combining niacin with GABA. It was developed in the Soviet Union in 1969 by the All-Union Vitamins Scientific Research Institute[1][2][full citation needed] and further studied in both Russia[3] and Japan as a prodrug of GABA.[4]

Picamilon is sold in the United States as a dietary supplement, while in Russia it is sold as a prescription drug. The rights to the drug belong to the Russian pharmaceutical company NPK ECHO ("НПК ЭХО").

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picamilon

This stuff sounds interesting, like a phenibut alternative. Has anyone got any experience with it?
 
Second time your thread has hit page 2 now, Treacle.

I recommend YOU introduce us to Picamilon. Clearly no-ones touched it, so it gives you the chance to be an eadd drug pioneer... like an ancestor venturing forth to discover new land for it's people... in this day and age you can find us new druggage.
 
I've tried it Treac.....it's shite. True, it might be because my GABA system is fucked.....but all I got was a Niacin flush at higher doses and nada at lower doses...higher being a couple hundred mgs, lower being the rec'd doses of 50-100 mg.
 
I've been using Phenibut for over 6 months, I've been using picamilon for just over a month. Picamilon, as far as I'm concerned, aint worth bothering with. You won't find any effects similar to phenibut, if you manage to feel effects at all, lol. It's a waste of money, imo. Phenibut's wonderful, though :)
 
velmwend said:
Phenibut's wonderful, though :)
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Really? Wonderful? Really? Blimey. That's not a word I'd ever expect to see attached to phenibut. Each to their own and all that but "not bad, not great but not actually bad but with perhaps the scariest withdrawals of 'em all if you slip from use to abuse" would be nearer the mark for me. What are you using phenibut for? Anxiety? Sleep? Recreation? It's definitely pretty good for anxiety in particular for me but I could never take it regularly after having seen what happens when you do so is of limited medicinal use to me so has been relegated to occasional recreational use if I fancy it now and then purposes now.

Picamilon I haven't sampled so got nowt to say 'bout that other than my appetite is more wetted than whetted so far.
 
Yes, fuck phenibut....(as I dose my paltry 500 mg allotment for the next four hours to avoid the worst withdrawals I've ever experienced from any drug, ever...)

Getting lower and lower....probably make the switch to baclofen once I get down to less than a gram of phenibut per day...and then taper that....

Maybe picamilon will do something after all that, but likely not. Pissing in the ocean with my totally screwed GABAergic system. The glutamate shitstorm that follows phenibut addiction as the dose wears off is the worst....way worse than benzos in my experience. And it is exitotoxic to boot! Thus I am steadfastly trying to avoid such....slowly tapering the pheni, slowly tapering the diazepam....tis lovely in tandem. Fuck me, and fuck GABAergics...
 
I was in similar situation re: phenibut recently, Amani. I found it impossible to taper down completely with the stuff cos I just couldn't get the hang of the halflife and stuff. Could go up to 72h without dosing at times but once the w/d kicked in I always ended up taking too much cos it takes so bastard long to kick in when your system is really running on fumes - and cos the w/d are so terrifyingly intense - that I'd always overcompensate and set myself back to square one :!

Have just recently finished getting off the crap. Took bastard ages and required rather a lot of GBL (GBL fairy <3). As I said in the phenibut thread, I sincerely doubt such a potentially iffy taper would work for all - or even many - but it did for me cos I'm so much more familiar and comfortable with GBL than I am with phenibut. Good luck with the taper. You've certainly pulled off some insane tapers in the past from what I've seen so am sure you'll get there. Phenibut seems to be especially tricksy in that regard though. So innocent on the way in but man what a slapping on the way out 8(
 
Yeah, this stuff doesn't seem to affect me, in any way. Had doses over 200mg, and nothing. The last few times I've used phenibut, I found that doses under 3 grammes a day could be sustained, even over weeks, then very quickly tapered (something I never managed before, as I always went crazy on the stuff). If I dared take high doses, I'd spend the next few days suffering. I'd be fine taking 2 grammes a day, but there's not much of an effect around that level... It's something I'll have occasionally, when I fancy being emotional and then very sleepy. It definitely has that G edge to it, but not much of the euphoric stuff.

So, picamilon is shite. I wonder why it's prescribed, in Russia, when not many people seem to get any use from it. Phenibut is far superior. I'll try some high doses, but don't expect much.
 
Treacle said:
The last few times I've used phenibut, I found that doses under 3 grammes a day could be sustained, even over weeks, then very quickly tapered (something I never managed before, as I always went crazy on the stuff). If I dared take high doses, I'd spend the next few days suffering.
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Blimey. Subjectively, I felt utterly physically dependent within a week of dosing around the 3-4g/day level. Is why I carried on despite having read all the horror stories: I literally felt like I'd already gone way past the mark where I felt able to taper. In hindsight this is obviously not the case (probably) but it sure felt that way at the time. Man those w/d are nuts 8o
 
Yeah, 4 grammes a day, for a week, would leave me in a right mess, possibly unable to taper. If you have to do 4 grammes on one day, have 2 the next day, and the next day, and you should return to something resembling 'normal'. I never thought I'd be able to use the stuff again, after my past troubles with itself and G, but it seems brain chemistry eventually goes back to how it was. However long that takes is down to the individual...
 
Shambles said:
Really? Wonderful? Really? Blimey. That's not a word I'd ever expect to see attached to phenibut. Each to their own and all that but "not bad, not great but not actually bad but with perhaps the scariest withdrawals of 'em all if you slip from use to abuse" would be nearer the mark for me. What are you using phenibut for? Anxiety? Sleep? Recreation? It's definitely pretty good for anxiety in particular for me but I could never take it regularly after having seen what happens when you do so is of limited medicinal use to me so has been relegated to occasional recreational use if I fancy it now and then purposes now.

Picamilon I haven't sampled so got nowt to say 'bout that other than my appetite is more wetted than whetted so far.
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I've used Phenibut for 6 months. 1g an hour before bed once a week. I was a raving insomniac and it was the only drug that gave me a nice, refreshing sleep. I also suffer from a great deal of social anxiety and it was the only drug that made me feel socially relaxed. I was also taking anti-depressants, which killed my sex drive, and phenibut made me feel mega horny in the morning. I was also feeling a little low, a little moody, and phenibut put me a in a good mood. The one day a week thing: there's one day in my week (a sunday morning) that is particularly stressful, for reasons I won't ramble on about, but Phenibut has totally resolved all my problems revolving around this day, and this has been a God send.

So there you go. Phenibut, for one day a week, helps me sleep well, feel horny, socialise confidently, and feel good about myself, both physically and spiritually. I call it my 'Perfect Day' drug ... after the Lou Reed song, because that's how I feel :)
 
velmwend said:
The one day a week thing: there's one day in my week (a sunday morning) that is particularly stressful, for reasons I won't ramble on about, but Phenibut has totally resolved all my problems revolving around this day, and this has been a God send.
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Well, vicar, I know the church roof fund isn't as healthy as we would like, but don't let it get to you so much <3
 
kingme said:
judgement day? :P

but in a serious note, has the phenibut have an effect for the rest of the week?
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Not all week, no. I mean, I get two night's good sleep from it, then I feel shit for a day after 48 hours. But I learn what I can about being sociable whilst I'm 'on' Phenibut. It's a good teacher for people like me who are so socially awkward that i feel sorry for people in my presence :) I daren't take it any more than once a week. :-/
 
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