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The Big & Dandy Methoxetamine Thread - Part 13: Don't you know? MXE comes from MXE-co

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To continue my anthropomorphic methaphor of MXE to explain her personality (let's call her Maxine)- We all know she can be a real party girl. She lightens up a space. My friends all love her when we're together, whether or not they are actually with her. We'll laugh more, be excited more, and do more things we wouldn't have thought of. When we at a party, even if someone doesn't know her, they can be enchanted by the way she speaks of flowing freely through reality and Being in the Now. Her energy helps keep us close together-- a friend of her is a friends of mine, and it's good to know we're all connected-- Ya know, I'm not posessive or anything. I'll let her be with any of my good friends knowing that she still loves me.

She always has an interesting take on things, things that make us see the world in a different light- the most amazing things! It's like 'Damn they'll never talk about this stuff on Fox News'. LoL. We don't complain; it's a brilliant light. She makes abstract thoughts feel tangible and present throughout the material world. I'd rather not go back to being bored or feeling disenfranchised with life. If Maxine isn't blowing my mind or showing me how to dance, she is helping me find my center so I can come back to peace. She loves a balance of all. That's one of my favorite things about her.

Like many things, the less you are able to experience something you love, the better is seems when you get to experience it. The same principle applies to her. If she lives with me for a month and I see her every day, at the end, while I still love her, I feel the need to hang out with other people more often and not bring her along. She is too precious to hold onto forever. She needs to grow too! Don't be selfish.
And guys, just because she is really beautiful, smart, and alluring, don't go around with her and have some big inflated EGO like you're better than anyone else because you have a hot girlfriend. Be humble, for we all have the same great potential to flourish and actualize our highest selves. Be humble and maybe the two of you can even help others!

My favorite things about her? Her dynamism and unpredictability. She is almost always fun, but sometimes she can bring up some hard truths. They're hard lessons, and while it may hurt, she doesn't do it to be sadistic. She loves you too and wants to help you grow. For some reason, she motivates people into doing things they 'always want to do' but never really do. She pulls people out of ruts and cycles. We shouldn't be stuck in ruts too long, they make us dull and placid. She helps keep me on my toes by embracing the moment and creating a balanced, active and tuned-in life in mind, body and spirit.
 
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Dude, Vortech, you are the mother fucking man!!! Everything you just said was what my brain has been wanting to try and explain to the heads on here, and you took the words straight out of my brain to your mouth man - thank you for everything that you said. It literally gave me an even better understanding of what I'm doing and who I am truly. You are absolutely 100% correct. MXE is currently and will be for a long time my favorite special lover, but you're right - I'm just fine when she's not around. Right now, I'm actually just chilling - got lucky and was given 200mgs of DMT by a good new friend I met thru my adventures, so I'm exploring on that currently. There's always so many head spaces to explore, but MXE IS so fucking sexy and alluring, I don't want to stop banging her - literally. One thing I've realized, MXE is EVERY BIT as useful of a tool as DMT, and honestly is very fucking similar to where it takes you and what it does to your ego and personality. It's beautiful. It brings out the YOU that you always wanted to be and wish you could be but were too fucking scared of what Society, People, Friends would think. These two compounds are SO liberating from the trap that is the normal societal construct of working 9-5, growing up and having a wife, even things like being awake from 7am-11pm-12am like your average human being. When I'm doing psychedelics, I stay up for 24-36 hours at a time, and then only sleep 6-8 hours at a time - not because I can't or don't like sleep - I literally am just getting so much shit accomplished for once finally and making so much daily progression in my life, it's fascinating and motivating as fuck on it's own at the same time. I stay up because I finally have a life to live and don't have to live it nodded out on fucking heroin anymore. I have beauty to see and discover everyday. I can live everyday like it's 'my last one on this planet and have as much fun as possible everyday of my life. That's what MXE and DMT have taught me. How to be a good man, a good human, a more loving person, a more generous and better lover, someone that people actually are excited to spend time with again - and that makes me feel so special, appreciative and thankful. My life has just suddenly became so ill, and the lessons that I've learned with always be with me long beyond the psychedelic state. It's so wonderful. I never would've guessed this would be how I'd end up finally fixing my life. Thank you to everyone on here that's been encouraging and cool about my stories and sharing my experiences of growing with MXE. It means a lot to me and I'm always telling my real life homies about my BL family.
As for IV administration - if you're doing 50mgs IV and not getting a rush and at least almost holing - you tolerance is even more retarded than mine, which I would be very surprised. Do you have a multiple gram a day Ketamine habit or something? I hate to say it, but you may need to find a new source or wait for a new batch. I've been doing this shit for 3 years now almost, and a 50mg shot of what I have will M-Hole me for at least 15-20min before I come out and start moving around. It's rad as fuck. You need to source some new MXE. Always start small with a new batch. MXE IV is like unprotected sex with a sexy lady - you don't always want to fuck every single one skins, so have a little sniff or oral dose prior to banging her down. I've definitely got MXE before that was fun as hell via Nasal Administration, but literally made me have what I would call a schizophrenic break during IV administration. The Hole was just hearing a bunch of crazy voices like insane CHATTER constantly that wouldn't fucking stop. It was so lame. I didn't shoot that MXE IV very often. Beware of what your injecting, all MXE is NOT created equal.
Vortech, you get the B & D Methoxetamine Thread - I'm A Straight Up Fucking Gangster Double Triple OG Bad Mutha' Fucka' Award (Also know as The Samuel L. Jackson Award). Be proud. You deserve it for that post explaining our lovely lady. It's so nice to have a lady who's not a jealous bitch.
Something crazy I wanted to tell people about. After being on MXE for 3 years, and having almost the same prescription the whole time for my contacts - when I'm on MXE, aka - the last time that I went to the eye doctor to get a checkup - for the first time in my life, my eyesight actually IMPROVED.......Now, I know I can't prove shit, but I'm literally calling MXE improved my vision over time on this one. My ex GF even used to say that she felt like her long distance vision was better and improved when she would do it. I think it has to do with how it dilated your pupils, it makes them a size that tends to help your eyes focus better, like adjusting the focus on a microscope or telescope. Feel free to call bullshit, I just wanted to throw this out there. I genuinely have a less strong prescription now. For real.
As for Opiates and MXE - they go together well and potentiate each other - it just depends on which one you take first. If you take your Methadone first and then do MXE, the 'Done will push the MXE, but the MXE will also make the 'Done more euphoric for sure, and just help it work more effectively overall. MXE would make a GREAT addition to your average person in Pain Managements daily dose. It helps keep your same daily dose working effectively by reversing tolerance, or helping lower it via potentiation. Even a dose as small as a few mgs in a normal person, like 10-15mgs MAX would help the opiates work so much better. I hope people realize how well this works. It's very useful info to have. Opiates absolutely lessen the psychedelic potential of MXE and dissociatives in general. Lamest part of having to take Subutex, it kills my MXE buzz to an extent and makes me need more to get to a psychedelic state. It's all good tho, I've got a good system worked out for when to administer my shit to have it work out the best.
Benzo's just help even out your blood pressure and lessen anxieties and tension, especially muscle tension which MXE can cause from time to time. A nice small .5-1mg of Etizolam is my preferred method. It does wonders and makes me feel like I'm doing my heart and body a favor because I do know that MXE heightens your blood pressure and heart rate at least slightly, although not that much. I used to go to my Subutex doctor for my bi-monthly appointment in a fucking M-hole and have them check my blood pressure and weight, ears, nose, tonsils, all that health kind of shit that nurses do for you. My BPM and Blood pressure was always straight, even directly according to the nurse because I would straight up ask her. Anyways. Not promoting MXE use. People that are living this life like me and Vortech are on some straight up Mad Scientist/Human Walking Lab Rat shit. It's pretty fucking awesome though and I really love my life right now. Shit's mad ill for the first time in so many years. Take care people, I hope your life is Ill as fuck too. Peace - Mr. Meowfish
 
no offence just joking - are you trying to make a text replica of the great wall of china ? :D
i stoped reading your posts meowfish because i got alot of books to read(you know) but i often agree with your views.
i would love to read your book when its done and been in the hands of an editor.

i hope you find a publisher. i read this summer "the psychonats guide to the invisible landscape" its about dxm and its basicaly a collection of trip reports if you havent read it yet i recomend it to you.

ps. also the author killed himself before he got to see his work published so go easy on the stuff yeah?
 
vortech, do you anthropomorphize MXE when you are speaking about it to other people or is that just for the sake of this thread? I understand what you're getting at and your description is a good comparison, but I've never really felt any gender affiliation with any drugs besides maybe n,n-DMT and even then, that is only in the experience, the drug itself does not seem to have any characteristics which seem affiliated with either gender to me. I guess a lot of drugs have slang names which are male or female names, but again, I have never really thought of them as being assigned a particular gender.
 
Meowfish you bring up a good point (well, many points, but I'll focus on this one) about how MXE could be used to augment a pain management regimen. Because MXE seems to potentiate methadone (or other opiates) in a way....and it seems to be a great drug for when jumping off methadone. If I find myself taking 10 or 20mg of methadone/day, I can jump off it and just use MXE and everything is OK.

I think MXE should be researched for use during the tapering of opioids such as methadone in pain management and addiction cases.
 
23 mg's in the nose got me to a state of alcohol - like intoxication, mild and pleasurable vertigo has gone over my body. Takes some time to come up... It was like being a little bit drunk, and a little bit baked just without the negatives of it. Mild dopamine flow over my system was also felt, but nothing major. However I almost did not feel anything psychedelic and experienced no visuals. 5-meo-dalt is more visual at 20mg's than this... I liked the effects and I'm thinking of taking it further, but I have never experimented with dissociatives before so can anyone advise me on dosage which would not send me to a hole but give at least some mild visuals ?

LSD has these beautiful fractal colorful visuals, aMT gave a lot or patterns, and some chemicals like DOC produced morphing shapes and digital distortions with very complex beauty... Obviously to each his own and all of the drugs I mention above can have same visual types of hallucinations but I wonder what kind of psychedelia MXE gives to human sight? Is it comparable to classic hallucinogens or is it something so new it's impossible to explain and I will have to see it to understand it?
 
Grinders Kiefers said:
vortech, do you anthropomorphize MXE when you are speaking about it to other people or is that just for the sake of this thread?
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It's just an interesting way to look at it; yes I find this drug alluring in a way that is very similar to the way that a women is alluring to me. Internally, it does help connect me to my feminine side, which is what every bloke needs if he is to be whole in himself.
 
MXE visuals can't really be compared to classic psychedelics, but honestly I get a full out trip from high enough doses. Like, raving in the dark blowing my mind with glowsticks lmao


The visuals when you hole however are similar to MDMA/MDA closed eye visuals, it's like imagery that isn't quite in focus. Unfortunately once you develop a tolerance to the drug they go away almost completely
 
It's strange how different MXE trips seem to vary even with the same doses. Sometimes my motor skills are greatly affected, sometimes not so much. Sometimes I can think clearly other times not. Occasionally I get open eye "visuals" but not usually. Almost like different parts of my brain are affected to varying degrees.

Often the visuals manifest as everything like a clay-mation, or altered special perceptions (lilipution hallucinations) where, for instance my hands appear tiny. Perception of lighting can also vary throughout the trip. Like everything might take on a bluish hue at one point, or more orange or red even though the lighting hasn't actually changed. I don't get visuals as much as I used to for sure though.
 
^ how is that any different from ketamine? Ketamine and DXM both are variable even with the same doses, it only makes sense that methoxetamine would share this trait...
 
Really not a whole lot different. It's been at least 10 years since I had any K though so I can't really compare them side by side. MXE lasts a bit longer and is a bit slower to hit. It feels a bit "sharper" than K, which feels more "fluffy". Definitely not dirty like DXM with it's nausea & robo-itch. The fact that K wears off quicker can be a good thing sometimes.

Not better or worse than K. Maybe someone who's used K more recently might give a better comparison.
 
Man - I'm not trying to be an asshole, but people are doing the best that they can to answer any and every question that someone may have, and I'm sorry , but this thread is a fucking encyclopedia of MXE, and every question you could ever want to ask in every possible scenario has been asked at one point or another. The OP posting a question that get's "lost" in the thread because of the conversation which is absolutely directly related to MXE is just as responsible to find the information for themselves. This thread is a wealth of knowledge, and to be honest, half of the questions that people post about shit and expect answers to - the questions are basic as fuck, and practically common sense if you have any dissociative experience at all - or the answers are in the thread just pages prior, and as far as I'm concerned - no actual moderator has said shit to myself, vortech, oar9fi, or any of the other cats that have been chatting about the MXE lifestyle/integration of the MXE education that we are receiving. What we have to say is absolutely relevant, and while some of the talk may just be general philosophy at times, it still contains information about the drug and what it means to use it on a regular basis, what you can expect to live and act like -we are straight up giving a people a window into the brain of an MXE addict/user.............I'm sorry, but what we have to say is absolutely valid, and until I'm told by someone that has authority to change what we're trying to do and cut it out - I'm not stopping anything, and no one else should either. If you aren't interested in what we have to talk about, which is 100% MXE related, skip the posts, don't read them, scroll on past. You shouldn't rip other people off that are enjoying what's been going on in this thread for a good month or so now, just because you're getting frustrated. I'm sorry if we've been distracting the focus of the thread, it's not the intent - we are dropping straight up scientific research that we have been personally conducting for multiple YEARS now about an unknown compound and it's effects on the mind, body, and soul.............and that information isn't valid to be in this thread?? You my friend, are just plain wrong. I don't know what your ulterior motive is to trying to stop the information we're trying to share, but it seems misguided or self involved at best. I stopped posting rhymes - even tho it seemed like more people were entertained and laughing than, annoyed - but who knows, I am fucking retarded. It just seems so bizarre to me that such mellow, light hearted conversation could make someone so frustrated. Doesn't make sense to me.
Anyways, moderators - if you want to weigh in on this, feel free - I'd be interested in seeing what your opinion is anyways. All I know is at this point, I feel like the information that we are discussing and giving is 100% valid and useful to anyone interested in this compound, let alone the amount of knowledge that is just sitting there about an unknown, under researched compound. Maybe I'm delusion from the MXE and I'm not helping anyone - but at least I was making some people smile and laugh for a few. Don't be such a hater.
 
I'm not being a hater, the mods clearly outlined what should go on in this thread and outlined that all other talk about MXE (which includes your little rhymes) should be taken to the other thread. Jesusgreen made it quite clear that he had already cleaned the thread up once and that if he had to do it again, warnings and infractions would come into play.

I think at this point, its gotten so derailed that cleaning it up is more trouble than its worth to the mods. They have already weighed in on the issue on the first post of this very thread.

@oar9fi - my point is that it seems that dissociatives in general are all very variable experiences. It would be a toss up for me if I had both S Ketamine and MXE in front of me which I would do. I enjoy the duration of MXE a lot but I always found S Ketamine more euphoric than MXE. If it was racemic ketamine, I would probably take the MXE though. It feels cleaner than racemic ketamine to me and it didn't raise my heart rate as much nor was it as "sharp" as racemic ketamine. Often I found that racemic ketamine is not anywhere near as forgiving as MXE or even DXM in high doses.
 
I am thinking on trying to plug this for the first time tonight. Ive never plugged before so I have one question.
I don;t have any vaseline. I have some glycerin can this be used as a substitue or would it be harmfull in anyway to the rectum? I also have some coconut butter?
 
Coconut butter is in no way harmful in that area, and I would say it is preferable to vaseline. Be sure to count your blessings as you apply your sacrament delicately. Be at peace with the process, and you will be filled with the holey spirit.
 
Like I was trying to say - I was agreeing to not posting random shit like rhymes about MXE, or whatever type of shit like that. As far as mods go - I've already got yelled at previously by JesusGreen for derailing this thread, which was why I stopped posting on this site for a good 6-8 months. I am not a serious person at all, and I don't get drug users that are. This thread is RIDICULOUSLY informative about this compound - I mean to me, the conversations that Vortech and myself are having back and forth, if anything, are an absolute blessing to someone wanting to know about MXE. It's like a public safety announcement to me.................If you don't want to be a crazy ass fucker like these two cats - don't fucking start doing MXE. Sounds like Harm Reduction to me.......
I will be refining my posts, and shortening them - unless I'm feeling some inspiration and have something I feel like I need to say.........but to me, if someone wants to come on here and find out information from someone about MXE, if it's me and I need advice about something from someone on BL, I seek out the most knowledgeable heads in the thread and ask them what's up. If I have no clue who someone is and what range of knowledge they have, I'm not going to believe shit they have to say - because quite frankly, for every intelligent BL head - there are 10 stupid mother fuckers that give bad advice and are ignorant as fuck in general. I have more experience with every aspect of the drug lifestyle, dissociative lifestyle, junky lifestyle - AND psychedelic lifestyle/use than probably 9 out of 10 people who are the same age as myself. I don't understand why I'm getting shit from people for trying to HELP other people and spread joy and happiness.
All I'm doing is trying to spread some knowledge, answer some questions, and entertain my true MXE heads that come into this thread. That's not a bad thing, and whether people think so or not, we are not just socializing in this thread. Everything we speak of is relevant to MXE - maybe you just don't know as much about this compound as you think if you aren't able to relate to what's being discussed. I hate to get pissy about this, but I just really can't believe this is happening again, and not even from a Mod this time, just some random cat - literally. If the thread was being derailed, someone that has authority would have said something in the past 30 DAYS that I've been steady posting. Most people seem to be entertained, and I've had at least 6 or 7 people who post in this thread hit me up on the PM to ask me questions they didn't feel comfortable asking on here, or wanted to make sure they got an answer for - and guess who they knew to ask. Someone who knows their shit. I honestly hate this post, because I sound like a fucking cocky asshole - but this is just straight up how I feel. This is my last post discussing this. From here on out, it's informative shit only. People need to lighten the fuck up tho for real............why are you going to combat good vibes with fucking complaining. Shit's just childish.
 
Mr. Meowfish mentioned muscle tension Re: MXE and that benzos like etizolam can be used as an aid for that. I do know the feeling, and it can happen with any psychedelic. It's not always smooth sailing when one is a wired wave of energy. It can wear on the central nervous system. Really the best way to combat that, instead of more drugs, is smoother waves, literally. Listening to more smoother music is a start- seriously, music therapy is very real and accepted healing modality at this point. There is a lot of chill music out there that basically has the same effect as a benzo for a person who is tuned on. Centered stretching, yoga and the like is the next step to conditioning.
 
RedRum OG said:
Can someone please help me here I'm very confused with dosing

Des IV make doses stronger? What IV dose for MXE-hole?

I thought I read that IVing made MXE much, much stronger but this does not appear to be true as I did over 50mg and didn't have all that much happen


Also, how much do benzos effect MXE? Do they totally destroy the good psychedelic effects ?

And methadone, will its NMDA antagonism add tolerance? Or will usual opiate effects dull psychedelic effects?
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when I ivd mxe it was def stronger but the effects were much different than sublingual or snorting. They were more like smoking which was less like ketamine than snorting or sublingual if that makes any sense.

MagickalKat777 said:
Can you all kindly take your discussion to the proper thread?

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/580066

This thread is now officially filled with so much garbage that people with legitimate questions about the drug are being ignored like this poster here: http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/...rom-MXE-co?p=11959185&viewfull=1#post11959185 and the post right before that one.
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lol mag kat have not seen u post in a long while.

vortech said:
Mr. Meowfish mentioned muscle tension Re: MXE and that benzos like etizolam can be used as an aid for that. I do know the feeling, and it can happen with any psychedelic. It's not always smooth sailing when one is a wired wave of energy. It can wear on the central nervous system. Really the best way to combat that, instead of more drugs, is smoother waves, literally. Listening to more smoother music is a start- seriously, music therapy is very real and accepted healing modality at this point. There is a lot of chill music out there that basically has the same effect as a benzo for a person who is tuned on. Centered stretching, yoga and the like is the next step to conditioning.
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I agree with this. Before taking any benzos try some stretching and breathing exercises.
 
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